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I guess that would work. I just pretty much randomly paired them as I wrote it :D

First off, I would give the PC control of Revan at level 50, and let him kill hordes of uber-baddies, because killing hordes of really powerful badguys makes the badguys seem more unique and powerful in their own right. On a serious note, give me a second to collect my thoughts :D

Note: (I had a small edit in previous post). Given we're working with NWN2, the races that you could play would be the ones the game supports (unless I could find a way to lock some out). The main races of the world are likely going to be the big three (Humans, Elves, and Dwarves). This is mostly because of familiarity of the experience. They are more prevalent in fantasy, so I think it'd be easier for a gamer to accept as being an appropriate fantasy world, rather than Gnomes ruling the world. Although I guess that'd be different :D We're considering how we could work in the Halflings and Gnomes into the equation. Although we've likely put the Half-Orc at the bottom of the Totem Pole for each of the big three (i.e. They are liked the least by all). We were thinking on having a unique approach to the game with the Half-Orc. Alternatively though, I was just now thinking of perhaps having each of the big three having a "partner" of sorts. Pair Humans with Gnomes, Dwarves with Halflings, and Elves with Half-Elves. The poor Half-Orc is still chastized, being they are the easiest to conceptualize as being "monstrous." It could help clean up the PC race issues.

I was actually thinking something along those lines. I think it would work well because the "factions" could simply be races, given we are planning to have a fair amount of racial tension in our world. If I was to go with this idea though, I definitely would make sure to not restict you to joining the same faction as your race though. It just wouldn't be as easy.

Fair enough.

So you'd rather not have her play much of a role in the game. I like this idea if for no other reason it would make the Bastila fanbois out there angry :D

Would you bring Bastila into the equation, since she seemed to have a more potent "Battle Meditation" ability than we seemed to have.

I like the idea about having the villain be someone that is close to you, but not be apparent from the get go. However, I guess I'm also a little bit "anti-twist" though, so I have some small reservations about it. I'm "anti-twist" in that it seems a game HAS to have it for it to have a "good" story (in the eyes of the people). Although if I could do it in a way that it's not so much of a twist, but the PC slowly realizes that this guy is the cause behind the chaos or something. I'm also curious how I can make it work, as I don't want to have a game that is too structured. I'd have to create a situation perhaps where him being with you is something that makes a bit of sense. I'm not adverse to "trapping" the PC somewhere, due to unforseen catastrophic circumstances. I don't feel that the player should have the ability to have every opportunity available to him. Some things are beyond the control of the player. For example, I think it's stupid when people think Sure it's a plot device to progress the story....but being able to avoid being captured, despite the fact that you are absolutely buggered, is a bit silly IMO.

What if both the playable groups were the same side? Group together against Revan/Exile :ph34r: I'm sure the people would LOVE that

I think possible combinations of a simple Good/Evil model, combined with the Chaos vs Order model might work. Although I guess we sort of already have that with the Lawful/Chaotic and Good/Evil in D&D. But to go to my first point, I like the idea of having "bad" guys that do things that they feel will actually be for the greater good. That sort of moral ambiguity is more interesting to me then the "I'm bad d00d, I will r0x0r j00 because I'm powerhungry" crap. EDIT: On a side note, that Ultima Odyssey MMO was cancelled wasn't it?

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the Exile's student and the new PC that you would create for KOTOR 3. I was under the impression that they would be the leaders of the two "groups." Unless I misinterpreted something.

Hmmmm.....those ideas are pretty deep I haven't though much about an implementation along those lines, so I'm not sure precisely how to integrate it at the moment. I might just end up "borrowing" the concepts, but not have a full fledged Chaos vs Order idea. At the moment, any implementations would just be carbon copies

Yay Google! EDIT: I'll delete mine before Fionavar does. Save him the trouble.

I like the idea of being able to influence the role of the student. How would you bring it together? If they are of differing alignments, then they are in "conflict" (although not necessarily combat, but antagonists to each other), but if in line they somehow work together?

Ah, the too much Chaos and too much Order being to extreme and ultimately bad. If I recall, wasn't there a whole bunch of like "Discipline without Emotion is Oppression" (the attribut names are wrong) in the various books about Chaos and Order?

You'll need to remind me a bit. It's been years since I played Serpent Isle, and only because you mention it do I remember references to Chaos and Order (as they were in Serpent Isle).

That's almost exactly what I was thinking, particularly for anyone playing Good. I love "non-hollywood" endings. At the very least, make things not so happy for the protagonist, if we can't get away with it not seeming like a martyr. Which also reminds me, we also want to explore morality, sort of similar to how Kreia does (although I was thinking of this before playing KOTOR 2, and my friend agrees and he hasn't played KOTOR 2). Sometimes, being the good guy has things that just turn out bad for you. Sometimes having the best intentions can have very dire consequences. Likewise, sometimes being the evil prick can backfire on you as well

I imagine the same be said for Atton (or Disciple...ugh) Would you like to see the idea of letting the player dictate the previous game ala the neat conversation choices that existed in KOTOR 2? I actually liked that idea, as it let you allow some input to how the events of the previous game(s) panned out.

To be honest, we're still in the preproduction phases, so even grand ideas like "What's the module" about haven't even been finalized. Initial concepts are a fantasy world (since we're using NWN2 for the module). But right now my friend and I are leaning towards a very racist world (at least in the part of the world where the game takes place in). For the most part we're looking at mechanics for the game. We want the focus to be on skills and attributes, and not the class. So if a Fighter has the required skill values, he could bluff his way into a thieves guild, even though his class doesn't have to have "Rogue" anywhere in the title. The advantage the Rogue would have however, would be that the Theiving skills are class skills, so it'd be more likely for a Rogue to travel that path. We also like the idea of utilizing skills and attributes as rolls and checks in dialogue. One thing we are also in favour of is no more of this "If you're evil you get to keep the phat lewt instead of returning it....but if you're good and return it you'll still get the phat lewt, or perhaps even fatter lewt" stuff. We would like real consequences for the player's actions. Excessive "niceness" could make some parts of the game more difficult since perhaps you spared someone that will later be a thorn in your side. But at the same time, sparing a different person could net you an ally that will make things a bit easier than it would be otherwise. Any comments or criticisms and especially ideas for what you'd like to see in a game (this goes for anyone) are greatly appreciated EDIT: We're both big fans of PS:T, so we are planning the game to be have very deep party members and interactions. And no "being friends with everyone" stuff. This likely goes more with the racist nature of the world.

That would be neat. And I could agree. I'd suspect a ton of people would like it to be Bastila that would do this though :\ It would be neat to explore their experiences with the force, and how they deal with temptations of the darkside. Would you allow the possibility of the Exile's student to turn, or would you keep that path more fixed (since it's not the player's character) and limit character customization to the PC?

Ah, that's sort of what I was thinking (I think). Instead of "give person X object Y" a simple derivation to "tell person X about topic Y" which would then allow you to interact with the character a bit more, and perhaps offer a better variety of options to complete that quest. And I'm certainly placing a high value on actions having consequences. I'm also conceptualizing ways that the "chapter break" could occur. It's likely the place where I plan on bringing the branching paths together, so that I can have a bit more control over the story without it spiralling out of control.

That was a bit more than "any ideas for the split" than I anticipated Fixed! I like the idea about the new PC having roots from the other side. Both Revan and the Exile have the bulk of their stories influenced by the Jedi. Seeing what it would be like to be a Force Sensitive discovered by the Sith would be an interesting take.

Ender and I are keeping it on topic. We're discussing splitting the party into two groups.

It would actually be neat to hear Fionavar's opinion on something :D

Can you see an alternative to Fed Ex quests? I'm also asking from an idea perspective, as I'm designing a module with a friend for NWN2