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I like the idea of being able to influence the role of the student. How would you bring it together? If they are of differing alignments, then they are in "conflict" (although not necessarily combat, but antagonists to each other), but if in line they somehow work together?

Ah, the too much Chaos and too much Order being to extreme and ultimately bad. If I recall, wasn't there a whole bunch of like "Discipline without Emotion is Oppression" (the attribut names are wrong) in the various books about Chaos and Order?

You'll need to remind me a bit. It's been years since I played Serpent Isle, and only because you mention it do I remember references to Chaos and Order (as they were in Serpent Isle).

That's almost exactly what I was thinking, particularly for anyone playing Good. I love "non-hollywood" endings. At the very least, make things not so happy for the protagonist, if we can't get away with it not seeming like a martyr. Which also reminds me, we also want to explore morality, sort of similar to how Kreia does (although I was thinking of this before playing KOTOR 2, and my friend agrees and he hasn't played KOTOR 2). Sometimes, being the good guy has things that just turn out bad for you. Sometimes having the best intentions can have very dire consequences. Likewise, sometimes being the evil prick can backfire on you as well

I imagine the same be said for Atton (or Disciple...ugh) Would you like to see the idea of letting the player dictate the previous game ala the neat conversation choices that existed in KOTOR 2? I actually liked that idea, as it let you allow some input to how the events of the previous game(s) panned out.

To be honest, we're still in the preproduction phases, so even grand ideas like "What's the module" about haven't even been finalized. Initial concepts are a fantasy world (since we're using NWN2 for the module). But right now my friend and I are leaning towards a very racist world (at least in the part of the world where the game takes place in). For the most part we're looking at mechanics for the game. We want the focus to be on skills and attributes, and not the class. So if a Fighter has the required skill values, he could bluff his way into a thieves guild, even though his class doesn't have to have "Rogue" anywhere in the title. The advantage the Rogue would have however, would be that the Theiving skills are class skills, so it'd be more likely for a Rogue to travel that path. We also like the idea of utilizing skills and attributes as rolls and checks in dialogue. One thing we are also in favour of is no more of this "If you're evil you get to keep the phat lewt instead of returning it....but if you're good and return it you'll still get the phat lewt, or perhaps even fatter lewt" stuff. We would like real consequences for the player's actions. Excessive "niceness" could make some parts of the game more difficult since perhaps you spared someone that will later be a thorn in your side. But at the same time, sparing a different person could net you an ally that will make things a bit easier than it would be otherwise. Any comments or criticisms and especially ideas for what you'd like to see in a game (this goes for anyone) are greatly appreciated EDIT: We're both big fans of PS:T, so we are planning the game to be have very deep party members and interactions. And no "being friends with everyone" stuff. This likely goes more with the racist nature of the world.

That would be neat. And I could agree. I'd suspect a ton of people would like it to be Bastila that would do this though :\ It would be neat to explore their experiences with the force, and how they deal with temptations of the darkside. Would you allow the possibility of the Exile's student to turn, or would you keep that path more fixed (since it's not the player's character) and limit character customization to the PC?

Ah, that's sort of what I was thinking (I think). Instead of "give person X object Y" a simple derivation to "tell person X about topic Y" which would then allow you to interact with the character a bit more, and perhaps offer a better variety of options to complete that quest. And I'm certainly placing a high value on actions having consequences. I'm also conceptualizing ways that the "chapter break" could occur. It's likely the place where I plan on bringing the branching paths together, so that I can have a bit more control over the story without it spiralling out of control.

That was a bit more than "any ideas for the split" than I anticipated Fixed! I like the idea about the new PC having roots from the other side. Both Revan and the Exile have the bulk of their stories influenced by the Jedi. Seeing what it would be like to be a Force Sensitive discovered by the Sith would be an interesting take.

Ender and I are keeping it on topic. We're discussing splitting the party into two groups.

It would actually be neat to hear Fionavar's opinion on something :D

Can you see an alternative to Fed Ex quests? I'm also asking from an idea perspective, as I'm designing a module with a friend for NWN2

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He's mastered the mindless action romp. Although I felt The Island wasn't too mindless :D Any ideas for how the split would work?

I don't think Episode I had too much of a split either, but yeah, there are the splits. In the case of Return of the Jedi it splits 3 ways (w00t). I loved the Obi-Wan parts in Episode 2 and Episode 3. Ewan McGregor for teh win! (P.S. See the island, it's a good, entertaining movie...Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson both did a good job. In particular I like the representation of the future).

You're just a fanboi with good vision I'm sure there's plenty of PS:T that I felt might not have been as good. But I'm not demanding 100% perfection the whole way. And the parts I enjoyed I really enjoyed, so I was probably able to take the "weaker" parts and "inflate" them to a more appropriate level, based on the strengths of the rest of the game.

Because the good was so good it overshadowed?

Was there "really" a split in the first one (Episode IV)?

"Then the miracle happens, they release the patch... I am just joking..Lighten up the room!!! (w00t)" That was a good joke :D I can't believ eyou said "they release the patch" with a straight face

I like that idea. And to be honest, I would actually enjoy some "alone" time, where the PC has to overcome some obstacles on his own. I would like to explore the master/student relationship a bit more, and I think I would like a good chunk of the PC side of the game to be just him and his master, and perhaps later just him and his student. But I agree, seeing things from a varying perspective can be a lot of fun. I love the little ways that Splinter Cell 3's coop ties into the main plot of the single player gamer. And I think it would have been neat to have been able to go with Canderous when escaping the Leviathan.

Fortunately I'm not as smart as Gromnir (of which I give kudos for RPing the same persona for lord knows how long)....so I can't pick out the crap in KOTOR or PS:T as easily. Or perhaps my brain is just so attuned to ignoring the bad and remembering the good. :D

Clothing is too restrictive. You get cooler Jedi Moves when you aren't restricted by armor nor robes. --------------------

Meh, we could have an early prototype

Tough to squeeze it in between Sunday Night Football, Saturday Double Headers, and Friday Night's NBA on TNT :D

Saying it will never turn is pretty much an open invitation. I give the thread 2 days.