Killing someone in the defense of others or in self-defense isn't murder.
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That's true. But there's no contradiction. Tarna says
Which does not presuppose killing in defense. For example, tarna might want to kill a father who beats his children every day such that they are in constant danger of being killed.
and Metadigital says
which supposes that tarna's intent to kill, regardless of good or bad reasons, is tantamount to support of murder. I was trying to point out that this was not necessarily the case.
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Okay, but you said:
So, when you say something like "On the contrary, there is not a vast majority of people who take murder to be wrong all the time everywhere," and then start talking about how "Most people would agree that certain people deserve death, and more still would make exceptions for self-defense or others" is moot, since apparently, you weren't relating the idea that there "is not a vast majority of people who take murder to be wrong all the time everywhere" to the concept that people would "make exceptions for self-defense or defense of others.
When trying to illustrate your point about whether or not the vast majority of people who take murder to be wrong all the time everywhere, there's no point in talking about a supposed exception of self-defense or provocation. Because if the death of someone was a result of self-defense, then no murder occurred. There can be no exception for self-defense when a murder occurs, because it goes against the definition of what a murder is.