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It can't be that hard to make a nice looking face. No one is asking for some Paris Hilton lookalike (or maybe some of the other guys are!), but there were plenty of good looking faces from KOTOR's female character selection. And to any women- no, we don't expect all women in the real world to look the same; beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But there are some basic standards to attractiveness, and, since this is a fantasy game, all of the characters should look somewhat attractive, male and female.

Yeah- why can't we put that holster to use and make it so that characters put away their weapons when they're not fighting oh my god HERE WE GO AGAIN PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

We're obviously not going anywhere with this, so let's just drop it. This dead horse has already been beaten enough.

Then when you kill them you should pick up 17 medpacks, 29 computer spikes, 6 different enhancement belts, 5 sets of guantlets, 8 different sets of armor, 35 variations on a blaster, and 4398 credts. While it's possible that DB was holding his "auxiliary armor" in his "inventory", why is it called Darth Bandon's fiber armor if he wasn't wearing it? I think the whole thing's silly- just show the characters with what they're wearing, and if you kill them, it's yours.

DVDs aren't even the latest technology; we already have HD DVDs in the works. I've had a DVD player in my PC for a few years now and it was cheap when I got it. Definitely DVD.

Here we go again...

If at all possible, would it be too much trouble to add in a couple of extra voice lines for when you switch characters back to your main PC, depending on your sway from good to dark? In KOTOR, when you play a guy, even if you're full dark side, when you switch characters back to him, he says something like, "Yes?" or "What?" in this really innocuous voice. I think your voice should get deeper and a bit more raspy after a certain amount of dark side points. I don't think it would be too difficult to implement; just add two more voice clips.

I think the silence we've been experiencing probably means that it's not going to happen. If it were to happen at all, I would imagine it would be something very simple with no bearing on the plot or dialogue choices; jst an extra animation. But, as I've said before on another thread, I do think it's pretty silly running around town with your lightsaber in hand. Blasters in holsters, lightsabers on belts, and rifles...well, I guess they could stay held where they are.

It saddens me greatly...I guess I have really high expectations. As you can see, I hate things that pander to the LCD just to get more money; I think that had something to do with "Fates". True, there is no accounting for taste...however, if the public is exposed to truly great art through a medium like Star Wars, it will gain that much more appreciation. I was watching Jaws today- the score is wonderful. And I don't mean the "da-dum" that everybody knows. The movie has a few silly scenes in today's context, but the music is so good and adds so much validation to the story that it's impossible to doubt the premise. This is what's missing in most modern movies, and I don't think people realize how much of an effect it actually has on their perception of a movie.

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I pretend the ysalamiri never existed. If the Force is created by all living things, how can these guys be alive and not creating Force, but repelling it? It's not feasible under the Star Wars ruleset. Ysalamiri: Kryptonite for Jedi. ...and maybe we should call this thread, "general discussion about Star Wars and stuff, with references to a lightsaber whip".

As a classical musician, I must disagree. While most of the score for Menace was good material, the "Duel of the Fates", which everyone seems to like, is total claptrap. It is the only music in the film that appeals to the lowest common denominator, and low and behold, it's the most popular. Like most movie scores these days, "Fates" relies on boring orchestral textures and has blatant overuse of chorus. The theme is a dressed up motive repeated over and over in sequence, falling back on tired idioms. When I listen to "Duel of the Fates", it sounds like I'm listening to someone else's work reorchestrated by Williams. It seems these days as if, "chorus" = "drama", so that 8 year olds and their fat parents can say they saw a "great movie" because it had smack-me-over-the-head-with-a-two-by-four choral numbers. I truly don't know how Williams could stoop so low, what with the rest of Menace's incidental music being top notch. It is yet another rip-off of Carmina Burana that for some reason all fim composers these days try to emulate. If anybody doesn't know what Carmina Burana is, they should go download it and listen, and then you'll understand why Star Wars "Fates" sounds like Spiderman 2 sounds like Batman sounds like Final Fantasy sounds like Matrix Revolutions, etc. Not only is "Fates" bad score, but it takes place over one of the only watchable parts of the movie, the fight between Obi Wan, Qui Gonn, and Maul. Now, up until this point, a lightsaber battle in a Star Wars movie was a serious occasion- so serious that there is no music during it. Music only enters when the engagement becomes lengthly and perilous, such as when Vader starts throwing objects at Luke in ESB, or when Luke finally dips into the Dark side to fight Vader in ROTJ. But what we have here is a dumbed down, scrubbed, choreographed, uninspired, undramatic lightsaber sequence topped off with banal score, trivializing the entire encounter and leaving the audience feeling like they were supposed to think that was really good, but wasn't. AARRGGH!!

We can only hope...

I was under the impression that Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw was confirmed. I'm mean, of course I hope it's not true, but that picture just didn't look Photoshopped. It looked like the real thing. There are so many problems with the Special Edition besides Greedo: -added Jabba scene which looks terrible and doesn't add anything to the story (it's actually better that we don't see Jabba until Jedi) -those stupid hover droids that are around in Mos Eisley -the added shock wave when Alderaan, DS1 and DS 2 are destroyed looks even worse -"into the garbage shute, flyboy" line sounds like it has the treble pumped up 12dB -Han runs into fake looking room of stormtroopers instead of the end of the hall. -"Close the blast doors" wrong voice, stupid added line. -TIE fighter chase will still feature nice matte lines around the TIEs -X-Wings flyby film quality doesn't match 1977's, distracting -We see wampa, making it that much more distracting and that much less scary, plus film quality doesn't match 1980 film -"Artooexpresseshisreliefalso" line forced in, implicit in R2's beeps, needless -undoubtably, Emperor replaced with McDiarmid will look noticably different, such that someone seeing the film for the first time would notice -Falcon flyby into Bespin and other replacement footage horribly CG -Bespin Cloud City period artwork changed into windows; distracting, look CG -Luke falls, Palpatine screams (???) -Falcon has too many top hatches for Lando to go through -Vader "Bring my shuttle" line ruined, useless change -unused Jedi footage inserted as Falcon tries to get away, obvious -Super Star Destroyer Executor the wrong color -Jabba's palace musical number changed into a truly useless CG travesty -Boba Fett's mystique shaken by play with girls -Rancor with Luke scenes still look fake despite all the other time wasted on other useless changes, infuriating -extra "Audrey II" mouth added to Sarlacc pit bad CG, not needed -"it'salrightIcanseealotbetter" Han Solo line obviously inserted -Celebration after destruction of DS2 changed, bad music, bad CG inserts of other planets These are all the things I can think of without actually watching the movies; I'm sure I missed a few.

And sorry to be so cynical, but I know there's no hope for Lucas's current renditions of Star Wars. The only people carrying the torch high right now are the people making video games like KOTOR and some of the novelists.

Sorry, but Williams now vs Williams 25 years ago pales in comparison. His scores now lack the wonder and spark of his earlier works from CEOTTK, ET, Jaws, etc. I heard he has a team of people who write scores for him, that he doesn't even do it himself. I can't confirm this, however. ANH's score is one of the best for any movie, ever. Why it needs touching up is a mystery. The only thing that could be even remotely positive would for him to simply rerecord the score with the same cues on modern recording equipment. For me, I can't watch the adulterated versions of the movies because I am constantly being distracted by the useless changes. Really, why doesn't Lucas just convert the movie to software, and we'll just have versions that are updated automatically? Since we know he'll never stop tinkering with his shop of horrors, he could simply release a constantly remade movie to keep up with the ever-growing demand of 10 year olds. I wager we're on version 2.1 right now.

It really is sad. Finally, Star Wars on DVD, and they won't even release it with the unraped edition. Of course it will be THX certified and have 9.1 Hyper "EX" DD and dts and bagachips etc, but what difference does it make? All of the horrible additions will still be there, plus the problems introduced to the soundtrack with the Special Edition, like that awful reverb in ANH during the Death Star shootout between Luke and Leia and the stormtroopers, and again during the scene where the Millenium Falcon gets away but gets attacked by TIEs. Oh yeah, and Greedo will still shoot first. Rape! We're being RAPED!! I love how stupid GL thinks the fans are, like we won't notice Ian McDiarmid's death yell when Luke accepts his fate and falls from the Bespin gantry (Luke wouldn't be screaming George!!) I know this isn't the place (or is it? I'm surrounded by OT junkies, I hope!), but please don't buy the new raped Edition. It just goes to show how sad it is when people give up and say, "I guess I'll settle for this." NO! Don't give in! Don't buy the crap they shove down your throat. It'll only make everything else worse. Poor Sebastian Shaw. Look at how GL repects the work of dead artists. It's shameful. Please, don't only ruin ALL THREE movies with your computers, eliminate the original actors altogether. Why not replace Carrie Fischer with Jessica Simpson while were at it? It's got to be for a new generation, after all. Luke just doesn't look right, I guess we're gonna have to digitally replace him with Ashton Kutcher with blond hair. Let's make it so Han Solo disarmingly lets Leia take the lead and never once hits on her, because we wouldn't want to offend any women. What was that? I missed the scene where Luke goes to the bathroom in ESB on Hoth. GL: "Well, it was a really important scene; we've digitally added several hundred mind numbing droids and spaceships moving around outside the bathroom window (this gives the scene more depth)..." RM: "Your are correct, sir!!! HA ha ha...YES!" I have the Laserdiscs...but I don't have a player! Mine got flooded. It's ebay for me...

I think you should be able to at least choose your Jedi robe's color, black or white, because this is not an indicator of Dark side/good side. Viz. Luke in ROTJ, Anakin in AOTC and other miscellaneous Jedi in AOTC. White isn't always good and black isn't always bad...I shouldn't be locked into a white robe if I'm light side, and this is definitely something that wouldn't be difficult to implement!

Right. Calo Nord's not a good example. Darth Bandon is. The armor you get from him isn't even visable on him. It's just a black jumpsuit. By the way: devs, if you read this, there are too many bald guys in KOTOR. I can imagine one or two, but, like, nobody had a real haircut except your PC. Everybody was bald or the looked like "Hendar" and had a flat-top. More guys with hair, if at all possible.

The one that gets me is, "For the Republic!" or "For the Jedi!!" or "For Juhani!". I cringe every time I here something like that. I know the lines aren't said on every move; this could be more distantly spaced. The grunts and oofs were pretty tastefully done, however.

Devs- Just saw the new footage from the walkthrough on Lucasarts.com. Awesome. Just awesome. It looks so much better- and the lightsaber combat rocks! You guys are doing an excellent job so far!

Unbelievable. All of my games take 55-60 hours (mainly because I'm a completionist). I think the main quest should take more "turns" so to speak. In KOTOR, we start on Taris, and that place is pretty big with a lot of stuff going on. Then we have the next phase where we go from planet to planet finding Star Maps. Then we finish up at the Star Forge. Assuming a different story, it would be nice if the pacing of the game wasn't so predictable. It sort of has the same overall form as a Zelda game: Intro, Levels/dungeons (in this case, planets) where you find something, then Final Battle. Maybe the game could be more erratic in form, for example, Intro, Ambush, two planet/levels, party split up, three more planet/levels, most of party reunited, big boss battle, two more planet/levels, etc. There should be a change in your main quest at a certain point in time. One of the things I liked about HALO.

Actually, I think you're right, come to think of it.

Yeah, you have to act like a real scumbag in order to earn Dark side points, whereas in ROTJ, Luke could have fallen to the Dark side instantlyfor killing Vader, however Luke probably wouldn't have killed people for money...

Right on. Why would Carth still be hanging out with you after you obviously are quite evil?