Blarghagh

Euros though.

In Berlin though? I assume it's gonna be somewhere between 700-1k.

Cognitive therapy.

I'm having a pretty massive anxiety attack right now. : / Guess I've been lagging behind on my anti-anxiety excercises.

I made a pun out of it being the number one thread for TToN talk! I did what I could!

Your new number one thread to talk about inXile's spiritual successor to Planescape: Torment! Last time we were talking about the differences in kickstarter and development approach between Obsidian and inXile regarding to how well TToN and PoE are working out.

Closed for length. Here's the next part: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68721-torment-tides-of-numero-uno/

Hey everyone, This topic has been locked due to forum post limit. Many thanks to everyone who voted, with almost 1700 votes I'm sure Obsidian has the information they need. I'm not going to make a "part 2" of this thread because I assume the decisions regarding localisations have been made at this point. Thanks for your input everyone, and carry on.

I don't want him to be harassed out of the industry at all. I want him resign or be fired for the overwhelming amount of legitimate reasons that have been uncovered. Gaming journalism will not be able to regain credibility or legitimacy as long as he and Leigh Alexander are still in it.

Yeah, lets condone harassment against someone you disagree with therefore legitimizing his argument.

Being a responsible adult isn't worth the effort.

Wow this thread grew quickly. I gotta catch up on it later. Regarding inclusivity: I would love to see more female characters in games, but even moreso I would like to see more non-stereotyped minorities and especially I would like to see a trans character that is not a joke. I'm going to agree, though, that every game offering the option to play any type of character is detrimental. For it to be true inclusivity and not superficial fluff these traits are going to have to matter. I feel that complete inclusivity, as in "all games must have inclusivity options", isn't viable and would ruin artistic freedom. I mean, inclusivity options for open world games and roleplaying games where you create your own character? Great! But I'm going to steal from Yahtzee's Extra Punctuation here and make the point of James Sunderland. Any of you guys played Silent Hill 2, pretty much one of the best story driven games ever made? This game would not work with a female protagonist, because of story and theme. At its heart, this is a story about male frustration and (deconstructed) themes of masculinity. Forcing an inclusivity option onto a game like that is seriously detrimental. That would be taking a movie like Disclosure - that requires a male protagonist for the story, themes and drama - and forcing the writer to rewrite him as a woman. What I'm trying to say here is that inclusivity is a noble goal, but complete inclusivity isn't even viable but even moreso not productive. What we should strive for is more diversity. The problem is not that some games don't offer the option to play a woman or a black man or lesbian and only let you be a white man. The problem is that there aren't enough games that do offer those options. If there were more games available where you could play the other options, the games where you can only play a white man wouldn't be an issue. This doesn't mean that some games couldn't have had more inclusivity options - and some of the excuses given by companies are ridiculous. Princess Peach's dress would have been too much work for New Super Mario Bros? That's dumb, you're goddamn Nintendo, you have practically infinite resources. Not all criticisms are valid, but some are. Currently, most game developers are white men. They don't possess minority perspectives and they cannot (nor should be expected to) accurately present them. Of course, like I've said before, with more and more women (and other minorities) going into the game industry and more of them playing video games, their voices and visions will appear more. The problem is going to solve itself.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie, it's depressing. The misrepresentation doesn't even bother me anymore, it's the fact that any legitimate grievances and concerns - serious concerns regarding censorship, media corruption and artistic freedom - are now taboo by association because "nuh uh, this is an argument misogynists made, if you make it too you're misogynist!" And what bothers me most is that the white men who make these claims gave ****ing GTA 10/10. Hell, even on the other side. Discussions of actual women's issues are being ignored because "nuh uh, this argument is made by SJWs, if you make it too you're an SJW!". Important things are being ignored across the board and really there is no way forward until this dies down. EDIT: To add something more productive to this conversation, here's the perspective of Ryan Smith, the one person in the GameJournoPros convos who spoke out and questioned the others in how far they were willing to go to censor other viewpoints: https://medium.com/@ryansmithwriter/a-weird-insider-culture-d1c3cc644c29

Yes this is much better than Twitter comments, well done young grasshopper But I'll be honest I am missing the reason for all this attention on this issue, I'm not sure what you are saying this proves or means. This is how I understand the chain of events the 4chan forums leaked photos of nude celebrities the celebs are now hurt, embarrassed and angry ensure there publicists start doing anything to close down or harm 4chan This includes hiring a company to create this viral marketing which they admit to, so no conspiracy there Where is the issues? They admitted to it after the fact and that they admitted to it is irrelevant when compared to the fact that they intentionally created a false harassment campaign to create controversy and spread misinformation (if you don't consider that to be wrong I don't know what to tell you). I find it relevant because it demonstrates how easy it is as well as how willing the nebulous "they" (meaning the cultural marxists and third wave feminists who wish to control media messages who I am assuming are responsible for this) are to create falsify information and spread it which is wrong regardless of what their intentions are. The end justifies the means to these people and that is an objectively awful way to conduct yourself. Also, it is relevant in the way that it demonstrates that the people creating the false narratives still don't do the research as they continue to pretend that 4chan is some kind of single entity rather than a random place for people with all kinds of opinions to gather anonymously. I also find it relevant because before they admitted it, the only sources reporting on the truth were social media posts while journalists and other media picked it up as the truth which goes again to prove that what is posted on social media should not be dismissed out of hand rather than looked at on a case by case basis. So essentially, it's very relevant as it lends credibility to a lot of the claims of conspiracy and collusion by GamerGaters. Kazerad sums up most of my current feelings on GamerGate pretty well and reinforces to me why it is important: http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/98113646063/gamergate-primer-finale Especially this section:

Double post, but Rantic confirms they faked the threat against Emma Watson. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/emma-watson-threats-actually-stunt-to-shut-down-4chan/5766882 Look, an actual source! EDIT: I found this when someone answered this link to the question of Wikipedia Bias. Respected college educations offering extra credit to people for adding "feminist principles of social justice" to Wikipedia (their words, not mine). http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5028 Does that seem somewhat problematic to anyone else or is it just me? I'm all for closing the gender gap but this isn't adding a female perspective but an idealogy's perspective.

Oh hell, the TYFC situation is also linked to Silverstring Media? I'm getting very concerned about this. I wrote it off as being a little too high on the conspiracy theory ladder before but it's sounding more and more likely.

Fair enough. At the time I posted that, however, emmayournext.com actually redirected to rantic.com. No longer.

Yeah I don't think calling for the project to be cancelled is really productive towards improving it. The rest of your feedback is welcome though. Keep in mind that this and DS3 are completely different games with different goals and more importantly different budgets.

Haha, that's pretty damning. I felt my posts regarding people getting doxxed and media companies pulling strings were fairly relevant to the topic of censorship.

http://theralphretort.com/exclusive-milo-boogie-baldwin-apparently-doxxed/ Several key GamerGate people have been reportedly doxxed, including Adam Baldwin. I wouldn't report it because it's a biased source with biased people but Boogie2988 cut ties with GamerGate over two weeks ago and denounced it and he confirmed that he was actually doxxed, which gives it more credibility to me. https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/514624753756536834

Alum, while I agree that some people seem to be using this as an excuse to that overall I do not believe that is what has been happening. It's not what I want either. I welcome criticism of gender representation in games myself (and in fact I have brought up issues like this many times on this very forum). Bruce, I'm not sure how that is relevant but yes, I find it very irritating to be labled an "SJW" but this word has always had negative connotations as it denotes hardline cultural marxists. To be fair, I've found the use on this forum to be very unfair in general (especially considering the only ones here that could be labeled as working for social justice, including yourself, are moderate at best).

Alum, I agree this isn't about games journalism. It's about cultural marxism and censorship. I hate the fact Gamergaters don't seem to believe in sources. I'm trying to find sources for the claim that Rantic Media, the media group now spearheading the #shutdown4chan campaign, actually owned the website that was used to make the (alleged 4chan) threat of "releasing Emma Watson nude photos". I suppose the fact that emmayournext.com now redirects to rantic.com means something but I'd prefer to get some actual sources for once. That's the problem with censorship. If it's true, it's another case of maliciously and willfully misrepresenting innocent people as being misogynist.

It's not a perfectly valid argument to make since it's not true. GG has no roots there. The movement was founded on the principle that Gamers are NOT the people organising a campaign. Everything else has been a misrepresentation to fit a false narrative created by journalists. The roots fall squarely in a series of slanderous, offensive articles regarding that campaign and not the campaign itself. Added: I found this post on the Escapist forums to be interesting reading. A little high on the conspiracy theory, but there are some interesting things in it especially regarding Silverstring Media. It also has a source where TJ Miller (username Polar Roller), game developer and originator of #NotYourShield claims that he has been fired and been accused of being a child porn distributer over his involvement in GamerGate. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.860762-GamerGate-Discussion-Debate-and-Resources?page=260#21430845 The quotes system messed up. Read it at the link if this was unclear.

See, this is why it's become impossible to take a side here. Because the sides don't see it as what it is - consumer revolt. They see it was a battle, a war. And bad stuff that happens is casualties of war. At this point, both sides have become the bad guy because of people's penchant for being overdramatic. You realize that the reason these people are angry is because they have been falsely misrepresented as being associated with abuse and that this is what you're doing? When you make posts like this, you become part of the problem. As much as people like to pretend, this was never and will never be about gender representation. If it was, people (well, most) here would not support it. This is about censorship, freedom of speech and being free from stereotyping. Consistently I have seen people make good points and calm arguments and still be like "nuh uh, Zoe Quinn" as if her name is some kind of ear plug to criticism. But what do I know? I'm just too stupid to understand what the definition of the word "gamer" even though it was never redefined by either person or context to what you have projected those articles "really meant" well after the fact. EDIT: Whoops, double negative turned my meaning around there.