Blarghagh

Nutella's better, but it does have a purer chocolate flavour and a nice crunch.

For sprinkles?

I've only watched the first three episodes so far, but even the way it started was just so unexpected. And I love the way the theme song is something in-story.

It surprised us too. I located a couple of sources thanks to another member here (since 8chan is supposed to be anonymous, I won't identify him). KiA was pretty understanding, but 8chan... man, that place is not healthy.

To be fair, he's also an olympic champion. Says google. And I really only know that name because it is a brand of chocolate sprinkles. We put that on bread, because we're insane geniuses.

I was taught a lot more but that's about all I remember. That and there's something with... pirate mercenaries? At some point?

To be fair, other than Joan of Arc which I suppose could be considered feminist (I don't know how, but many people seem to think so) the women's liberation movement and related civil rights movements were literally the only feminism related thing that was actually discussed in my history books. It's not like I was taught about "patriarchy" or whatever. That's still something that only Tumblr and Twitter keep blathering on about. We spent a lot more time on black civil rights movements. I suppose the irony is that I can remember almost all history I was taught from prehistoric findings to egypt to vietnam (which was pretty much the last thing that was covered in my high school) but I can't remember a single bloody thing they tried to teach me about dutch history.

Guillermo del Toro and Hideo Kojima's Silent Hills has been cancelled!

I probably should have added some smileys to that one.

Would that be related to age? That can't be it. I'm... only... 27... Oh god, am I old now? Is this what we've come to?

I'm seriously confused now. I have never mentioned Gloria Steinem and been met with a chorus of "who is that" and this is generally one of the smarter, more informed message boards I frequent.

Not even a mention? Feminism wasn't taught in any history class i've been to. It wasn't specifically that feminism was taught, the women's liberation movement was just covered as one of the many things characterizing hippies, civil rights movements and the 70's in general. (Oh yeah, Donna from That 70's Show also mentioned her pretty often to the point it became annoying). EDIT: I guess it could just be because my history book put much more time into the failures of the US such as Vietnam and the culture surrounding it? I guess across the ocean they prefer not to give Vietnam that much attention.

Holy hell, where did you people get educated? This is high school level history!

Malc, you're obviously just being a contrarian on purpose here. My point was not to illustrate that I heard about her because of that, because I did not. The only reason I remember it existing is because I knew who she was already, not the other way around. My point was that she is simply that well known. She was mentioned in my school's (not American) history book when talking about the 70s along with Vietnam and the hippies. She's consistently mentioned in popular culture, from All in the Family to the most recent mention I heard being last month in one of the last episodes of Parcs and Recreation. I don't actually have an issue with him not knowing, since nobody can know everything, but making grandstanding statements about "pshuh, arrogant americans thinking everything revolves around you" is extremely disingenuous considering how well-known she is. Especially considering I'm the one who brought her up in the first place. If you haven't at least heard of Gloria Steinem, you really don't know anything about feminism. Which is why it makes sense that Bruce doesn't know her. Seriously? Please provide a google maps (or similar) link. This I gotta see. Pass. I did make a mistake, she's the roundabout that seperates MLK and Ghandi. Our word for road is weg. If you want to put in the effort to search it up for yourself, go ahead, but posting a link to my hometown gets a bit too personal on the internet for me. I've no interest in giving GG or especially their opponents more information about me so they can contact my employers and try to get me fired.

Research is neccesary to know about Gloria Steinem? As far as I'm concerned, Gloria Steinem is common knowledge. There's a roadway named after her in my rural dutch hometown, right next to a roadway named after Martin Luther King seperated by a roundabout named after Ghandi.

Suffice it to say that I'm aware of the world beyond the US.

She's the closest thing the second wave of feminism had to a leader and is still highly influential. No offense, but we've had conversations on feminism in other threads, so it seems like you would have some fairly basic knowledge about it. Also:

Haha, well. I didn't mean that they called me that as a insult (although I'm sure they did) but that they immediately slapped labels on me. They were upset at me for wanting consistent terminology and clarity, considering that oppressive because you can't put real life into neat little boxes, and then proceeded to put me into neat little boxes. There is humor to be found in the fact that those boxes were ridiculously far off the mark, but I was mostly commenting on the the awful double-think.

I believe the only time I used my twitter account to literally post something to that effect is the "I support inclusivity and artisitc freedom, but I'm against biased media reporting" picture. Yet whenever I engaged people who attacked me without provocation in a respectful and reasonable manner I was still the bad guy. They attacked me, but I was sea-lioning. I wanted specific terminology to seperate consumer advocacy from editorial, and because of that I was being oppressive by putting people into simple boxes not befitting the real world, so they called me a conservative, an MRA and an American. The irony of some of "the narrative" is not lost on me because Leigh Alexander using her fanbase to dogpile you is exactly the same as Thunderf00t using his fanbase to dogpile you.

It wasn't the limerick debacle that caused it. I have no idea who received the lashings for that one, but I don't think it was the moderators (I think Tigranes caught a handful of flak for that, but nothing substantial). I'm assuming Sawyer took the brunt of that, but that is entirely an assumption since we very rarely interact with actual devs. I got it for when we timed out this thread (along with Fionavar whom was consistently assumed to be a woman for some reason), which I would say was a much less controversial decision. ****, that was bad and not acceptable in any way Best wishes though. Don't worry about it. It's not my first rodeo. They were pretty nasty but they weren't actually as nasty as when I made a case for Jar Jar Binks being a good character mishandled by George Lucas' bad writing and direction on a Star Wars board. Now those people, they scare me. History vindicated me, since Jar Jar's handling in Clone Wars seems to have been well received.

At this point I think that everyone still willingly involved does so out of hate rather than any real goals.

So if gender is social no one should care about the biological reality. But people do very strongly seek to align one with the other in this case. Gloria Steinem, is that you?

I think I dumped #GamerGate at a good time. Afterwards, they really turned to hell. Alum is fairly correct in that everyone becomes a target. Hell, I was briefly a target HERE. Zero post accounts made entirely to send me some really, really, nasty messages. I was also accused of paying people to post pro-Obsidian messages on GamerGate related boards, which is amusing since I don't even get paid.

Not really, because the study in question doesn't cite the reason for the suicides, only the fact that they happened. As far as we know, they could've committed suicide because society as a whole is immensely hostile to trans people. Or because gender reassignment surgery is only seen as a last resort by doctors, therefore the subset of people who undergo the procedure experience the problem far more strongly than those who do not. It's incredibly irresponsible to jump to conclusions at this point. Some of them do. They're generally not considered to be nice people. I do feel that this article is somewhat disingenuous as this form of transphobia is more widespread in the feminist movement as this "rational wiki" article implies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_transgenderism_and_transsexualism#Feminist_exclusion_of_transgender_and_transsexual_people I'm sorry, but that's a grand total of 4 examples. Not exactly "widespread". There's more examples, I just couldn't find a master list. I also didn't claim it was "widespread", per se, rather than just more widespread than that article implies - it is widespread enough, however, for feminist publications to recognize it as a longterm failing of the movement. Regardless of that, there are still countless books and manifestos on the subject, including the infamous "The Transsexual Empire" that considers transgenderism to be a patriarchy tool to reinforce social gender constructs (needless to say, pro-trans organisations, feminist or otherwise, classify it as hate speech). However, that book was inspired by words of feminist figurehead Gloria Steinem that many feminists still use as justification for transphobia. From Gloria Steinem's Wiki Page referencing her work Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions: Of course, it should be noted that Steinem has publically apologized and reconsidered her stance, but I still see it quoted from time to time even in mainstream feminist discussions. That Rational Wiki article portends that TERFs are persona non grata by default in the feminist community but that is simply not true - it's true that feminism on a whole is more accepting of male to female transgenders than society is, yet some significant feminist circles are much more intolerant of transgenderism. And let's note that I specified male to female, because female to male transgenderism very often goes entirely unacknowledged by feminist circles other than the occassional insane radfem calling them "gender traitors". Female to male transgenders just seem to get "othered" by feminism. EDIT: Regarding your statement about my conclusion, yes, that was indeed a bit of jump on my part. Not one that I took a lot of time to think through. Your debunking of it supports my initial argument of "we need more research" though.