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  1. In case it's completely missed you, which it seems to have done, the issue is not merely about 'freedom of expression'. There are other issues at play. Libel and fraud being two of them, both of which are recognized in western law (to varying degrees depending on where you live). As I said before, I can't read Russian so can't get at the finer points of the law, but as it's been represented, there actually may be little wrong with it, and very well might even stand up as a law in the U.S.. Concerning that later, in Russia there many laws that might be constitutional on paper, but not in their actual application. For example, recently Russia passed a law nominally strives to reduce internet child pornography, but in practice its vague language was used to silence opposition sites. Similarly while internet users rights (as they are) are presumably guarantied, the providers have to give all info without seeing any warrants. Add to that all the blunderbuss over opposition leaders etc. That and the systematically trample of Russian freedom of expression, that we have seen over the last decade and IMO it is silly to assume that this law will be used against silly internet memes, which no can stop spreading, more likely it will be used against Russian opposition "press" to stifle criticism using caricatures and the like.
  2. Be it as it may, your intention based on your personal history falls under Poe's law, hence misjudging your position. Regardless, considering the host of disfranchised kids here and the popularity of PC culture, my post is still relevant for the discussion at hand.
  3. According to the article, that guy had previously served time for shooting at State Police officer, and recently arrested by those officers for obstruction and drug possession... with the situation escalating only when they seen that there is at least one weapon in the car. It was also during the night and within the confines of a car. Sorry, but to me your description of the situation isn't normal. And your auto assumptions about the cops skin color and actions, seems like the action of the worst kind of racist. A stun gun isn't an all round magic tool, especially in the close confines and limited visibility of a car, with glass and metal doors around you... Great last words although I agree with your previous comment about unknown unresolved issues that can't be seen from that poor video, which why I prefer the court of law to judge of the court of PR, especily when articles start with click bait titles like "Police Shoot Unarmed Black Man" (pure gold)
  4. Tort

    Hey Oby!

    Going don Its like saying that every country has an army (economical policy etc), while it can be useful to make such generalizations to people who see things in black and white, it is ultimately useless.. as it doesn't give us information on their seize or the way they are used. For example: it can be useful to point the similarly brutal\intolerant history\teachings of the Abrahamic religions to a racist islamaphobe claiming cultural arrogance, however, it is pointless in any constructive discussion dealing with current issues related with Islamist terrorism. Yes, Christendom went through a similar crisis in the 17th century, but when we compare the two we look at the separation of the sacred from the secular in Europes political culture, that led to a growth in religious tolerance that has characterized the best of Western life since. Maintaining an image of an external threat has been a common tactic to distract from internal problems, one of many commonly employed by authoritarian states. Although arguably control of the media has been producing the best results, which is not surprising why countries with low quality of life maintain strong control over it, especially multicultural giants like Russia and China that maintain control repressing anything that isn't aligns with government position. Clearly
  5. A nice spin on US, Indiana law:
  6. That training is likely to include firearms re-qualification; the usual matters of basic safety in working environment (i.e. anything that can endanger you in emergency situation, like Blood borne diseases or hazardous materials); briefing on situation, laws/policy and procedures; and probably a host of all sort mandatory by law re-qualifications (from radio operation to breathalyzer BS). So while De-escalation should be a priority, its likely also a matter of extra budget. Also I believe that various "De-escalation" techniques are (or should be) already taught as part of various specialized training (e.g. approaching mental cases, dealing with victims, community policing, etc) and or part of gaining higher rank. p.s. to state the obvious, that De-escalation techniques wouldn't have helped in the case in question, which seems to be anger related.
  7. Tort

    Hey Oby!

    This is old news, Russia (and China) has been featuring the Freedom House **** list for a while, as well as leading the state-sponsored propaganda effort for at least three years. Although to be fair, now all the big boys do it to some extent: Speaking off, you might be interested in this blog Russias Media Imperialism , which provide the backdrop to much of the events in Russia's ongoing real-estate grab on the shores of the black sea.
  8. Presumably yes, but as I am not familiar with USA police training program, I'll have to claim ignorance on the subject. Although USA law enforcement has impressed me as very professional, and I would be surprised if something like that has passed them by.. Do you have any specific examples? because unfortunately all I know of that is wired to Baltimore, Maryland
  9. Indeed. Military speaking, the world isn't in a position todo much more there. Last year, USA drone attacks in Somalia is the most we can expect. And Arial campaigns inherently has very limited effect without active support on the ground. Such support for our "ideas" is hard to come by, and unfortunately it is a struggle over which we have only limited influence. With that said, in the long term, activism against the religious and ideological roots that bring rise to such violence, while empowering and protecting moderate voices in the Islamic world, can set the conditions for the moderates success. (btw, I am not singling out Islamist e.g. this just as true for those drunk on the cold war kool-aid, frothing at the mouth at any mention of the west or ranting about "Murica"). Ohh yeah, you are sooooo enlightened, not at all confused by the "politically correct" language that is designed to avoid alienating Muslims, and the fact of 'Islamist terrorism' that consumes that region, that us "bigots" seem to try to address. And in light of all the church burning and attacks on Christians in Africa, I'd wish there was less of the former whitewashing the issue and more of the later trying to promote religious tolerance in the Islamic world. Speaking of, I find the Egyptian president, El Sisi, recent actions encouraging. It might be just another streak of optimism, but for once it doesn't appear as pure lips service for the benefit of western audience.
  10. While very gruesome and unfortunate incident, I don't see any wider implications. iirc Al-shabab were targeted by kenia\somali operation some time ago, although I am not certain on its results. So this is probably either reaction against female education like in Afghanistan, or they are trying to make a statement that they are still active, using shock value, trying to top all the usual church burning, and christian attacks in Africa. Tackle huh While exaggerating, you aren't saying anything that hasn't been said after 9/11, but there is a reason why those terrorist nationality came as a surprise, because Libya, Syria, and Iran were it at the time, while Saudi were largely a pro-western force ever since the cold war. Regardless, since then Saudis has been making progress, at least until the recent even which pressed liberal Arabs into the corner, notaly the Nuclear talks with the world's biggest sponsor of international terrorism, hardliner, Iran. Who has been continuously working against our attempts to Tackle sources of any terrorism in the region.. Besides, Saudis are leading the Arab coalition that supposed to tackle extremist in the Arab peninsula, which threaten the stability of their regimes. I am afraid that the only people who would find it politically expedient to tackle Saudis, are either support Iran and wish to see its major counter balance in the region gone, or has some deep resentment to anything associated with west.
  11. It might be best if you clarify the context of your question. 1. If its question of faith. And you are at a loss why this is a loaded issue for some Christians, then I am in the same boat. 2. If its a legal quandary, followup on guard dog scenarios. Then IMO its useless, since in this our understanding\interpretation of the New Testament is meaningless, whether they believe the one or the other it still protected by law. - So as it is, this law is likely have some unfortunate consequences, but I don't see any way to avoid them and protect religious freedom with just a little rephrasing.
  12. On a little off note. I'd like to add that even though the only winning move is not to play, the rational thing is to "think the unthinkable", because history showed that the unthinkable usually isn't impossible. And i dread how much more volatile such situation will become if we add more "rational" actors, who base their decisions on even more limited information, or with convictions that everyone will fall inline with their game plan. On the other hand, waving the nuclear stick, is exactly the opposite of what someone who is looking to deescalate the situation does. And the purpose isn't reinforcing MAD deterrence, but to political to bully small actors in your sphere of influence, where already have the upper hand in terms of conventional means. Also a little nitpick concerning tactical nukes, their use doesn't necessarily necessities nuclear escalation (only a political fallout). iirc USA has used at least one conventional bomb in Iraq which was in the order of magnitude of tactical nuke. Obviously it is really about how use it, if you blow up a city, nuclear or not, no one will be picky about semantics.
  13. Its the same just with same sex figurines on top? unless maybe they want to make a statement and has no taste, then it will likely be rainbow colored?
  14. He is the guy who posted the logic fail video about shooting cops. So who cares.. NM, my mistake, I was thinking off Valsuelm.
  15. @Orogun01, what I was pointing out, is the banal fact that "training and experience" are the making of any good professional. That include training on how to deal with trouble makers, diffuse hostile situations or react to lethal threat. Obviously traffic cop and gang unit member need different skills.. (and unlike customer service, those usually aren't controlled environments) For example in the extreme, in Ukraine they gave kids uniforms and couple of magazines, those kids might be decent human beings, but in combat they likely to make a host of mistakes compared to "real" soldiers ( which usually spend hundreds of rounds a day training with a verity of weapons, maneuvers, situations, distraction etc )
  16. That right here is the problem, social activist tend to do exactly the opposite, thus bring attention to their issues.. It is my understanding this law was brought about after several people suffered from Scenario 1, and the opposition to it is also mostly activism.
  17. You don't need a grande or a bomb to kill, and just because someone isn't of legal age, doesn't mean he can't use a gun.. Also I assume this wasn't standard course for the police academy, but extra for units that likely to be involved in such cases. All i know is that training and experience help to push through, however, some people can't comprehend that, thinking that its just about being decent. That despite the well known fact that policing is high stress job with a lot of ambiguity in work encounters. And statics showing that cops have higher rate of mental and physical issues like: blood pressure and related problems, PTSD, depression, etc
  18. While Yemenis brace for war, which will likely be a long one considering Yemen topography and Iranian support (see Syria) and IMO Arab coalition being far less experienced\capable compared to what Iran gained in the last decade) Iran bolsters that Yemeni missiles can hit targets inside Saudia, while U.S. Resumes military aid to Egypt Suspended Since 2013. Also in Syria a large force of Iranian IRGC forces, supported by their Lebanese Hezbollah and Iraqi shiia militias, reportedly has been moved south to the border with Jordan. (presumably to stop rebel activity there and support from Jordan) At the same time Syria lost a major district in the North, which were held only by Syrian troops. Also a nice article about the "Shiite revival" with a summary of events in the region, spanning over the last decade.( link )
  19. Modern wars are waged through PR and legal means, even more than before. Like the UN where the generally assembly and many communities has been overrun by repressive regimes that violate human rights, so they can silence criticism, using it as a political platform. So For example, beside the usual use of the Non-Aligned Movement, we have countries that hung rape victims being appointed to women's rights commission and those who evade IAEA and ignore weapons embargo's become chairs of disarmament.
  20. My points were: 1. That you shouldn't make wild generalizations, based on the example of few - as it is common in such threads about the evil police. 2. Trying to offer a little perspective for people who refuse to see past theory. 3. I haven't commented on this specific case once, since I didn't see both sides of the story. And I doubt that people like the OP would consider anything said by the police, or be accept anything less than a head on a pike. Point 2 - maybe, although I am happy that there are review boards, that deal with such things in a non black and white manner. Edit: btw in my experience, frontal service was by far easier..
  21. I hope you aren't asserting that anyone here advocate otherwise... as oppose to getting annoyed at usual crowd that get excited by such vids, building a mountain from a mice.. Also I remember a great office, fun team, great benefits (we even company vacations out of the country), breaks air conditioning, car pool at night, advancement opportunities etc... It certainly beats working alone,outside in the heat, with potential danger, with many loud mouth jerks whose first instinct is to claim ignorance or plain out lie to avoid a fine (using the same excuses), maybe get featured on camera (hopefully you are not camera shy), likely get dragged to court few times, and get less than half the pay... Don't you think that sometimes it is easier to be polite and decent? ( Btw, I brought that example only because I thought that sharp one will be more familiar with white color jobs, I can give less savory one I had to go through to finance uni.)
  22. @Sharp_one, During University, I worked at customer service dealing with money, in call reviews there was a distinguishable difference in how I would deal with people at the beginning and end of the shift and not for the best, that what happens when you have to deal mostly with people who decided before hand that you are the enemy. Also I remember when my mother had "efficiency improvements", they added a new computer system and reduced time between patients scheduling, obviously in couple of courses on the new system didn't helped to smooth things and things got slower, everyone outside got angry(later wasting time attacking the doctor), data entry became very important (without it you cab become liable) so my mother usually had to stay an extra hour (on her dime) to enter the info (hopping she didn't miss anything between all the interruptions phone calls\people burging in etc) then she had to come back late, to chores and unhappy\ungrateful kids... - such things effect your performance. Anyway, Sharp_one, I am very happy that so far experience in life (as service provider or customer) has been wildly positive, but in my experience we are all human, we are fallible and **** happens even to the best of us (And my life has been cream compared to most). Also I'd like to emphasis that overall I am against the same things as you do, I just don't think such vids are representative.
  23. That is a bit naive. Even if everyone were polite and decent (especially with low wages), there are things like inexperience, pressure work\home, dealing with jerks all day long etc... And the reason why nitpicking is necessary on threads like this, because of wild generalizations were the actions of few become the image of many... (someone even posted populist logic fail about shooting cops) After no one advertise when they are at fault aka it was the other guy to blame in the accident; or everyone in jail are innocent..
  24. What follows, is that in this case you'd be OK with business exercising their religious right as long as there was enough places that serve the LGBT community.. Surely you can see the problem with this... I agree its an extreme examples, I find them useful when outlining an argument. But do tell how does a Muslim cartoonist who refuse to draw a cartoon of muhammad because it offend his belief, differ from a Muslim baker, who refuse to put a gay figurines on his cake for the same reason... Anyway, I understand what the LGBT community tries to achieve and I support it in spirit, but your religious rights are enshrined in law, and from what described here the OP law isn't discriminatory.
  25. You make an "interesting" distinction between freedom of religion of "religious organisation" and religious people. But for the sake of the argument, the second example above was of a cartoonist i.e. a commercial businesses. So do you think that Muslim cartoonist should be liable for not agreeing to draw a cartoon of muhammad? I can also ask about the liability of a wedding place run by orthodox Muslims community, for not agreeing to serve Jewish who want non halal food to be served, but I prefer to put some distance from the loaded issue of marriage.
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