EnderAndrew

There is no settling of any arguements with Volourn. I'm just walking away.

I wouldn't risk my life to save people who are too busy shooting at me to attempt to be rescued.

I didn't say you did. I said I was mocked. I was by Musopticon, Hades, kirottu, Lucius, and Commissar for merely making the statement that my country is a bastion of freedom. You merely drive the point home for me. We value freedom in the US where democracy is seen as overrated by so many other societies. If you can't clearly define a law, how do you enforce it? How do you word it in the first place? If you can't single out the behavior that is wrong, then why pass legislature in the first place making it illegal? I'm beginning to think that you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I know women who have stripped for a living. I know women who have posed for internet websites. Not a single one of them has felt exploited, let alone seen themselves as victims of violence. Calling a willing contract violence is frankly absurd. HBO is running a great series right now called Cathouse about a legal brothel in Vegas and every single women there genuinely seems quite proud of what she does, how much money she makes, and how much fun she has making it. We are quick to portray this women as victims, yet they would argue otherwise. Here is the problem with your own arguement. You can't express that you want to legalize pot since it is currently illegal. You would be advocating breaking the law. Should you censor yourself? I think you should. And no law would ever change, and people would be forced to unhappily live under poor laws because you can't object to them. Man, I love your system. No, in a court of law we don't punish people for talking about illegal activities. You can only be punished for actually committing them. You say they are the same thing. Since you have discussed supporting pot in this very thread, by your own logic, you should be prosecuted. Don't you see the hyprocrisy? I'm betting you don't.

I was trying to respond to Walsingham's post mainly. However, if you follow someone around threatening to kill them, then you are a stalker and there are stalking laws. You can file a restraining order to keep this person away from you.

You said my statements were false, and lated called the mythical. Saying that I made false statements is the same thing as calling me a liar. Back-pedalling is not a skill in TOMBS, btw.

Thanks for contributing! Please drive thru!

That is her in the picture. She plays a young girl who falls in love with a hitman. In that particular scene she is impersonating Madonna and attempting to seduce him. I felt it appropriate since Eru is being seduced by 15 year olds.

I'm not optimistic. I see people express bigotry and hatred every day. I hate it, and yet I feel they should have the right to express their opinion, because without it, I wouldn't have the freedom to express why I feel their bigotry is wrong. To Walsingham: Again, in your example, you wouldn't be able to express that you didn't care for a law, since arguing against it could be construed speaking in favor of breaking the law. If you can't question the government you live under, you might as well live in toltarianism. What you suggest would destroy any semblance of democracy. My original point that you mocked me for was that I live in arguably the most free nation in the world. I don't believe you understand what freedom is. Freedom appears to be something you take for granted. There are feminists who push for censorship of anything they deem porn, even though they can't define it. They want their agenda futhered by removing the rights of others. If we listen to them, then why not listen to others in the majority who would say remove rights from feminists since they are a minority? Why censor free speech? When discussing law you have to also recognize precedent. If you create a law saying that you can't say anything that might provoke unlawful behavior, then you establish a precedent that by saying anything offensive, you provoke violence. How do you define what is offensive or provokative? I keep asking these questions and you're not answering them. But surely there is an answer, even if you can't find it, right? You're so convinced you're right, but you can't demonstrate it or prove it. Well, you convinced me.

Have you ever seen the movie Leon? (Also called The Professional in the US?) Hint, it was Natalie Portman's first movie.

What about Unlimited Adventures?

Work has been a real pain in the rear lately.

So the people acting out violence aren't to blame? No, it is someone who forced them to act out in violence through mere speech. It has been proven that censorship does not stop violence, hatred or bigotry. Censorship isn't the answer. Hate crimes are only really combatted with education. You still haven't come up with any clear definitions of where lines should be drawn.

You're calling me a liar. You can quote Bioware, but apparently I can't. That makes you a hypocrite. I atleast attempted to find proof for my claim by looking up a cached version of Bioware's website. Except you haven't. You make a claim and then call everyone else's claims false. It is said that most games are commercial failures so this proves nothing. Again, this proves nothing. Would Bioware say their game was a failure? No one really calls their products failures why they are still trying to market it. Logic truly escapes Volourn, but this is nothing new. I don't know why I bother. Halo 2 made over $125 million in a single day. Yet selling 500k copies in six months is supposed to be impressive? Again, Jags came back with actual figures. Given the AVERAGE cost of production of a game today is $5-10 million, and that Jade Empire was a premiere title, $5-10 million is a fair estimate. The budget may have been even higher. I've never once said the game bombed, but the game is in no way a commercial success.

I'd object to the police being armed if it wasn't required by law that there be a Grand Jury everytime they shot someone, but it is required by law. Thusly the police are being held accountable. There are multiple offices whose sole job is to check for police abuse and inpropriety. You are promoting censorship because free speech leads to riots, and calling me an alarmist?

I could use something for my headache at the moment actually.

I accidentally deleted where below he demanded proof for my claim.

You've gone from a fanboi to a hyprocrite. Bioware's actual statements on their website don't count as proof, except when they do. and you demand proof from me but offer up none of your own. Hypocritical posts like these are standard Volourn-fair. http://web.archive.org/web/20041125060300/store.bioware.com/ Sadly, there isn't a recent enough archive snap-shot of the Bioware store, but Bioware's own website said that if you didn't preorder Jade Empire, then the Limited Edition would sell out.

So you should have laws that you don't necessarily enforce? Let's just enforce them when it is convienent to make a victim. So if there is a law that you disagree with, you shouldn't have the freedom to disagree with it, because you might vocally advocate something that is against the law? You can have your dystopian society, and I'll keep my personal liberties thank you.

They export prostatots from the UK now?

Proof? Bioware said on their website that the Limited Editions were expected to sell out on preorders alone. They are sitting on store shelves right now. And Microsoft said the game is going to the $20 price range. The same retailers sell to Canada and the US. Some retailers in the US already have it at $20 that I've seen. So I highly doubt anyone is selling the game for $50. Where is your proof?

There is a tool someone developed to create terrain in Morrowind called Litoral that is supposed to be quite good. Terrain in Oblivion is supposed to be improved even more, with natural vegitation that doesn't have to be hand-placed.