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Thanks again for the comments. Good looking stuff Sentry, and yes, I think you're right about the adjustments you made - I'll look in to fiddling with that when I get back. Cheers Okay I have to go now, but cheers again, stay safe, and I'll see you next side of Sunday Hopefully.

Cheers for the comments. I've taken them into consideration and made this quick revision - it's not final itself, but I did try to make Bastila more apparent without detracting her too much from the rest of the picture - my aim was to have her as one with the battle as such. I haven't had time to seriously attempt to add a surrounding - it wouldn't be the Star Forge however - this is just a generic battle probably before Taris. My attempts weren't very good, I just don't have time to attempt it today, I'm heading down to London later for the weekend. I sort of liked it as it was (environment wise), but I do see what you're getting at Vall. It's certainly an option. If I can execute it well enough. Here's version 2. Bit rushed.

Pity, as parts of the North Caucaus area actually look stunningly beautiful. But the political climate and the events that happen in there...not just the Russian bits either I missed that HBO documentory (It was made by HBO and the BBC, who showed it here in the UK just the other night) but I've seen another one earlier this year. Very moving, very tragic. They'll all be in my thoughts and prayers at this time. There was one particularily moving quote from the documentary I saw, it had a mother who had a wonderful child - always cheerful, always friendly, always kind, who suddenly just went hysterical on the third day - even before the storming of the school, and died of an apparant heart-attack. It was strange though, because the mother remained very strong throughout her story, while other mothers understandably broke down and cried - she was almost emotionless, but her lack of emotion was an emotion in itself if that makes any sense? The program ended with a beautiful sunrise over Beslan, and then came that mother's in a (later dubbed) voice-over. "Would you like to know what my son looked like? He was my sunrise, my day, my life...please will you take a picture of him?"

Along Peterskaya Street - Red Army Choir

Right, one more for this week Ding - you should now see where I was going with those ship models I was making Hope you likes, I'm thinking of "releasing" it as a wallpaper

Very cool Malak, I actually don't think it looks that beefy. Great work

Looks fine! :cool: Great to have you better, Sentry

Way! Worth waiting for, definiately ) Critique - I'm not sure, but I personally think that the distance between her navel and her crotch looks too small - I may be wrong on that. Apart from that, absolutely fantastic! :D I like your Atris, Julian - I don't think it looks too bad

Well my LSF saved Bastila too, eventually. Took me a couple of goes... My Revan never really seemed to get that involved with anyone though. Or no one really got involved with my Revan. Reminds me of me Still, nice to see some other Freelancerers Dare I say it, the best I've heard Jeni Hale do.

The only soundtracks I've managed to get are ones I've effectively ripped out of the game, came as audio files anyway, or managed to download individually - I've never seen a proper game soundtrack for sale - except for the GTA ones Right, so I've got partial soundtracks to (at least) the following - Curse of Monkey Island Sam 'n' Max Hit the Road 7th Guest Tyrian Freelancer Dark Forces Dark Forces II - Jedi Knight Little Big Adventure Little Big Adventure 2 Operation: Flashpoint - Cold War Crisis Operation: Flashpoint - Resistance Command & Conquer Command & Conquer - Red Alert Command & Conquer - Counter Strike Command & Conquer - Tiberian Sun Command & Conquer - Red Alert 2 Warcraft II Grand Prix 3 Civilisation II Civilisation II - Fanstatic Worlds The Settlers II Sim City 3000 Sim City 3000 - World Edition Sim City 4 Sim City 4 - Rush Hour Syndicate Wars Knights of the Old Republic Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords TIE Fighter Grand Theft Auto - Vice City Of course, the list you're looking at is close to being the complete list of every game I've ever played (I've probably forgotten a few as well) - I, like Nur, tend to really like a lot of the soundtracks that come with certain games.

Perhaps the assumption is that the love between LSF Revan and Bastila was not great enough so Revan was not able to save Bastila from the Dark Side and so had to have her killed - which is why she doesn't appear (for me) in TSL when you say Revan was a LSF... Or something " Just by the by, am I the only one who immediately thinks of Liberty Security Force when I see LSF?

Sweet Candy, BamKor! Don't say that word! ...

Is that the case? I saw Bastilla in KOTOR:2 as I saw Carth as well. However my wife told the game that Revan was DS, and Carth didn't appear, and I assumed Bastilla wouldn't appear either. Does it matter if Revan was male or female? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I played TSL the first time and said Revan was LSF and Carth appeared a few times, but Bastila did not at all - only once during the Korriban cave bit.

*Tries to squeeze in complementary remark* Well I like that Visas StoneImmortal. It's still good work, keep it up No I'm...doesn't...

Yazus bleeding Christ, dude, that is fantastic! :D Ok, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. What language is it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Recitation: Нет, суда - законченный... Does that answer your question? Basically it reads (apparently) - No, the ships(vessels) are finished. Might have got the translation wrong somewhere... " Just that I'm playing Il-2 right now, and what with Juhani (despite having a Finnish boys name) I was just in the mood :D " I dunno, I suppose Juhani does sound better than Iva

Khoroshaya Juhani! Fantasticheskaya rabota! :D @petay: Net, suda - zakonchennihiy... Sorry No, I'm not going to work any more on the ships I think - I'm just using them as models to base slightly more ambitious pics off Hopefully one of which you'll see before the week is out.

Many thanks for the comments, glad you liked it *sighs in relief* " Lovely finish there Ehna, I can't wait to see your Mira Just a quick screenshot of somthings I've been working on - basic (very basic) reference models of the ships in game. They're gonna stay untextured - they're fairly accurately modelled, but I've had to do a lot of it without much in the way of decent reference material. One thing I would say is that there was a guy I know of who has re-created the ships from the game in perfect likeness, and if it wasn't for looking up screenshots of his work, I wouldn't have got even this far. I initially pondered whether he just ripped them out of the game, but then, no one can actually find any model except the Ebon Hawk, and most of the stuff he did does not exist outside the pre-rendered cutscenes, so it was fine genuine work he did. Just unfortunately I don't know what's happened to him. Anyway, here's that screenshot of my work at least. Almost what the ships could look like if they were inserted in TIE Fighter Anyway, you'll see where I'm going with this hopefully shortly :cool:

Right, one brand new scanner later... That Mira pic I was telling everyone about - mostly it's just for me to prove to myself that I haven't forgotten how to use a pencil, and can still produce something relatively nice without having to depend so much on Photoshop. Hopefully bares *some* resemblence to Mira, so hope ya likes Great scanner I must say. To avoid me making the same mistake twice, the power comes through the USB! Magic!

Hey, I never said the current setup was perfect I think G0t0 for sure had a much bigger part before LucasArts got involved( ), and technically Visas could play a significant role - being the link between the Exile and the nasty nasty Sith guy intend on devouring everything. Who knows, perhaps with better development time, Obsidian could have found a decent way of inserting all the characters from the first game, but it is still my opinion that their is not necassarily any reason for them to be there except to make fans happy. If Bioware made TSL, then perhaps they would have saught to include them, but then again, this is Obsidian, I'm sure they're rather focus on their own characters.

I never said you wanted to play as Revan again - all I'm saying is that there's no real reason why any of the previous characters be involved or even mentioned. The series seems to be following both directly and indirectly the path of Revan - where he/she came from, and where he/she is going to. The Exile, probably being one of Revan's closest followers up to Malachor (I seem to remember that Revan appointed the Exile as a General to be in charge of the Mass Shadow Generator) would naturally be concerned about what has happened to Revan, but you have to draw a line - considering that in realistic terms, the Exile just wouldn't know about the rest of Revan's companions, and as it seems the Universe it out to get the Exile, the Exile probably couldn't care less. Carth and Bastila add a little bit of intrigue to what has happened to Revan, as I think it clearly opens up a huge question mark that can only be answered by a third game - it all serves a greater story arch - that's their only role in TSL. I just don't know what any of the other characters - with the exception of Canderous and the Droids since they're there anyway - could have added to this, so what's the point including them? That's just my opinion though.

Great Visass Ehna, yep, I like all three of them, but the final one is my favourite. Keep it up! StoneImmortal - welcome and...well...wow! Cracking stuff - sod the "amature", your stuff is fantastic. :D Bastila is probably my favourite. Good stuff You mean my Bastila is also not good enough? Just kidding, I know my Bastila's not good enough *Sigh* - never can quite get her the way I want I've finished the Mira pic, but in my excitement on getting it scanned, I put the wrong identical wire into the scanner to get it all connected, and now I think I've blown the fuse :angry: <_< Hopefully that will get fixed today, otherwise I'm annoyed. Well, ho well, I'm an idiot.

Umm... TSL is first and foremost the sequel to KOTOR I... otherwise, they should have made a totally new game, instead of "upgrading" (to a point) BIOWARE's format and should have placed it in a different timeframe than 5 years after the events in KOTOR I. But, they didn't, and its not far-fetched to think that characters from the 1st game should appear in some capacity in the 2nd. A sequel means "a literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work", so it doesn't mean its an expansion pack. So, it being a game is just the medium that KOTOR was presented on... but to call it KOTOR II means it is a sequel to KOTOR I. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's not quite what I meant. If Obsidian wanted, they could have made a sequel where we all play as Revan again along with all the others - just like the actual films - but that don't work in games (not in this sense anyway) so you have to understand that Obsidian had to draw the line at a certain point in relation to references to the first game. TSL has to adhere to the general dos and don'ts of its media before it can concentrate on its ongoing story line.

I was only using Red Alert 2 as an example - to tie everything together, eventually they're gonna have to draw a line and say an event with multiple possible outcomes in one of the previous games will have to have had a definite outcome come K3. That's mostly just to answer people talking about for instance killing off Bastila or (like myself) neglecting to train any of the Exile's companions in the ways of the Force. Anyway, I think the game just about makes it clear that the Exile does tie in fine with Revan, but otherwise, I mean, theoretically, Obsidian could have chosen to set TSL anywhere between a week or several millenia after the end of KOTOR 1. There's no reason to show off any of the original characters for the game to work. It's a fine line between making ongoing fans happy, and confusing brand new fans with references they don't get. Like I said, I was very concerned about what happened to Mission and the others (after I came back to TSL after playing KOTOR 1), but at the end of the day, whether they all live on Kashyyk, wander the Outer Rim aimlessly, or are all pushing up the daisies - they are not going to impact much on the Exile are they? Not like Carth and/or Bastila who knew Revan the best - and even then, investigating Revan is not the Exile's main priority. I mean you could see it like this: Carth: I'm Admiral Carth Onassi, I served alongside Revan five years ago. Old Fan: Wahey! It's Carth! New Fan: Okay, I'm interested in Revan, what have you got to say? Carth: Oh, I ran into Mission the other day, she's doing fine! Old Fan: Awwww New Fan: Who!?! And the way I see it, the New Fan's reactions are as close to those that I would expect the Exile's would be. I know that the old characters could be inserted a little bit more subtly than that, but I mean, you have to have (mostly) new characters, what is the point giving too much time up to the old characters when they serve nearly no purpose to the actual game? TSL may (try to) be a sequal, but it is a game first and foremost, and for it not to be an expansion pack, it cannot depend on too much of the previous game for it to make sense.

Problem is, to make it stand alone, the main character has to start from nothing and work towards progressing to something great - that might not be like how films work, but it is how games just have to work. I can't think of any way they could really do K2 differently. The Exile had to be completely devoid of the force and had to rediscover it, and for it all to make sense while working into an ongoing storyline, the Exile may as well have been living under a rock for quite a while, and the people the Exile meet and fight with have to be (roughly) brand new. I mean, if you fought along side such as powerful Jedi such as Bastila, Juhani or Jolee as they were at the end of K1, then the game would be a piece of piss, da? *hurtles off topic* For K3 to fundementally work as a game, then it's all but impossible for the main character to be Revan or the Exile. I expect that (should there be a K3) the main character will be the apprentice of one of the existing Jedi characters - probably Bastila, or perhaps one of the Exile's companions - although the latter may make too many assumptions, I mean, when I first played K2 I never got round to converting any of my companions to Jedi or Sith. The main character will then eventually discover enough about Revan and the Exile, he/she goes off to fight with them - perhaps fight the enemy and defeat it where Revan and the Exile have perhaps failed? Then we may have more "cameos" because it will make more sense - everything will be (required to) tie up. That's not quite the same in K2. Just a thought though. Although games sometimes have to make an assumption and make them final. I mean, look at Red Alert 2, the whole premise of that game made the assumption that I didn't fight for Mother Russia first time round, and then they make the same rediculous assumption come Yuri's Revenge...

Oooh no, Carth and Bastila's participation in K2 was just about fine. I played K2 before K1 and it does stand alone fine. I only got K1 because I enjoyed K2 so much (I then discovered I enjoyed K1 even more...) - I mean I could just about guess that Carth and Bastila had something to do with K1, and had no idea about Canderous or the Droids. I think it works very well that way - considering that realistically, the Exile would have little or no knowledge of what happened in K1 either. While after playing K1 I did get concerned about what happened next to the minor characters, but I didn't think they all needed to turn up in the second game.