Jorian Drake

Whats your favorite 3 game-styles you would like to se in SW? My are: RPG Adventure 'culture/race simulator' (make an own race, have it advance over centuries, give them tech-s, and have them imfluence SW-s universe/be part of it)

Be said: If we do this they just make new ones, thats the way of Human

"Better" is entirely subjective, so it's as pointless as a cleric's weapon to discuss... I have already said that I like 3e to-hit rules better than 2e, but that doesn't mean that I think the entire system is better. Of course 3e is better than 2e on some points. Being the conclusion to more than a decade of 2e, it bloody well better be, only it's not on a lot of points IMHO. But there are good points. I like the to-hit rules, for example, and I like the multi-class better, too - 2e had horrible dual- and multi-class rules. Skills would also be infinitely better in 3e if it were not because their restricted based on level, which is preposterous. You cannot declare 3e the winner without first addressing some of the concerns and flaws that Lancer and myself have pointed out in 3e, primarilly the peculiar Attack of Opportunity rules. And some of the 3e classes are just silly and steal from role-playing. I particularly dislike the sorcerer, who was nicknamed "fireball-dispenser" in about five minutes on the official D&D board for good reason... A completely munchkin class with no redeeming features - bleh! It spoke volumes that WOTC subsequently released books that "removed" the one price sorcerers had to pay for extra spells, namely a limited knowledge of spells " Another thing I really dislike is the plethora of classes and spells that spill out of every rulebook and magazine subsequently released under the principle of "well, to get a *really* powerful character, you just need to buy this book and use this new spell/class". The subsequent release of 3.5 after only a few years, truly turning Hasbro and Wizards into Ha$bro and Wizard$... Even one of the designers of 3e voiced criticism of 3.5! But the worst thing in 3e is really the terrible game design. It's similar to previous D&D, of course, but then all those editions are pretty old. 3e is only a few years old, and it's still based on rigid and inflexible game mechanics that are more than three decades old. This was acceptable in 1988 when 2e came out. It is inexcusable today. Besides, 2e at least had a "grandfather clause" that kept it close to 1e rules. 3e rules, however, are completely incompatible with earlier editions. I have friends who like and play 3e, but while the don't agree with me, they do admit that it is an entirely different game. For an entirely newly designed game, 3e is founded on horribly outdated concepts - there are far better designed games out there today, I think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well... there is no perfect game sys <_< ...not yet, but I'm working on it :D

Definitely. Especially when it is so simple to convert 2ndEd ACs to 3e ACs, as you do Jediphile.. 3e AC= 20 - 2ndEd AC It really isn't as big a deal as Shadowstrider and others want to make it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To beginners, its a lot. Many newbies did not play more pnp becouse sys was too confusing to them, and left pnp RPG for ever. With the new sys this don't happen so much (only dummies don't understand the rules of the new sys...or hardcore AD&D-ers, if they don't want to understand it)

Some oranges

Did you try punching them instead? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ya all should play Weird War :D

Obsidian can :ph34r:

...well if you Don't want a KOTOR 3, why POSTING HERE??!

...I know what you want, and thats the same as me: no Jedi as main char, or a possibility (what is not forced on player) to become a Jedi later

No need to weaken the Lightsaber...it is actually too weak already. If balanced on a game for a jedi main char ,then its fun. Jedi Knight+Jedi Academy are fun too.

thats gross

They had Carth and Bastila in K2? What? Where? When? How? Someonce talked about them yes but they were never there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When they were there, the main char was not there anymore :D

Would you GM-ing a game in a setting like that? Here on the forum? I really want to try that, and here it would be only the story, no dices to have fate against you. You would say what world (if not a fully new one) it will be in, what rules you will have, and what other restrictions/abilities you give. Plz: someone of you, REAL pnp-ers make me a forum RPG-here, I'm a beginner in RPG-s like that, and i want to improve it :D ...anyone?

I played AD&D for 3 years before changing to 3.0 (and then to 3.5), and i hated the sys. I didn't get to know, or understand the rules in all the 3 years, and then the Messiah was here: 3.0 In just a month I was an expert for the rules and I did know half of the classes and what they get at a lvl gain just out of memory. Ergo: Shadowstrider is way more then simply correct on this. PS: intuitive-ness is better in 3.0/3.5 than AD&D becouse of the ability to costumize the char better, SS just mentioned why the new sys is better, but thats not the same as being more intuitive

You mean like Fabio-sexy? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed. Long hair that I can run my hands through and muscles. Not too big or too small, just right. :"> Umm yeah where were we? Hair color, yes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Someone gets off topic

There is always a chance that an unique char is actually a disguised attempt to have a god-like char, but if played long/good enough, then a good drow has a great feel about it, and also it is challenging for a pnp-er

Anyones own choice what they like...but also anyone has to agree that there are less RPG-s and 'Adventure games' ( i think they r too RPG-s in a way) navadays...and thats really bad

Yup ,there are lots of char who actually 'could' have been killed. Thats why I think all of KOTOR 1 and 2 chars should be 'ressurected' for the final ,3rd episode (hmm...ok maybe not the final ep, but the final of 'revan&friends'-s story) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I definitely agree. I would like all their stories to come to an end whether it's Atton finally being able to admit he loves the Exile, Carth/Bastila and Revan being reunited, etc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct: even if some of you hate some of the chars, all of them should have thier 'happy ending' (don't be sarcastic on this one ), a story needs an ending

ahh...I forgot to write: Nihilus (Revan is not an actual Sith Lord if you play LS, so I don't even think about giving a player controlled char my vote)

Yep (suggestion: vote for Nihilus as next main char)

Yup ,there are lots of char who actually 'could' have been killed. Thats why I think all of KOTOR 1 and 2 chars should be 'ressurected' for the final ,3rd episode (hmm...ok maybe not the final ep, but the final of 'revan&friends'-s story)

Now that I had links to look at i begin to understand...sorry again folks, i try to be not so...well, actually i don't know what your problem with me is ..uhh: plz don't rate me yet, I'm a beginner with little XP, more a 'henchmen' as a 'hero'. I need time. This looks actually interesting, and a nice idea I will not spam, or do anything against you promise ....and i wait , and try to understand this before i post here anything else. Thanks for your patience (and if you ever had thoughts like that, thay you really don't know me yet)