Jediphile

Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos would beg to differ... And not politely, either.

1. I would want a new pc. You cannot start the game at level 20, because building the character from zero to hero is one of the fun parts of the game. And having Revan or the exile conveniently suffer amnesia and/or lose all their power AGAIN would suck royally. 1a. Revan/exile romance Besides, how can you argue respect for alignment for those characters and then deny choice of gender? 2. I don't care. I don't care about hoods either. And we don't need no stinking customizable lightsaber hilts either. Nice, yes. Important, no. 3. I'd favor a skill based system, but I guess KotOR is stuck on rigid, inflexible d20 mechanics 4. The jury is out on who the true Sith are. I still think it's the remnants or descendants of the old Sith Empire of Ragnos/Sadow/Kressh, but people have said Obsidian intended the true Sith to be totally unrelated to them. Those people haven't provided sources to support that claim, though, so... the jury is still out. 5. Thanks. Influence gained

The solari crystal is LS only, but unlike the qixoni, it is found only randomly, meaning you could play many times without getting it. But you can use the qixoni even if you're LS. You just need the <FullName> crystal from the Kinrath cave on Dantooine. It is whatever alignment you are if you let Kreia 'adjust' it, so it is LS if you're LS. And if you put a LS only crystal in a lightsaber along with a DS only crystal, their alignment restrictions will neutralize each other and you can use the saber, even if you're LS.

Nah, I don't think so. There are some truly manipulative, underhanded options along the way, but nowhere near the Kreia/Palpatine level. I don't think "thuggish" would apply - as I would agree it mostly did in K1 (except in the ending, where Revan and Bastila manipulated Vandar and the other jedi) - but others have disagreed with me, so you might be disappointed. A very special DS power called Force Crush. I think it's a game-hoser, because you can kill any one enemy with it. Basically it creates a huge hand that grabs the enemy and squeezes him/her/it for one round for 250 or so points of damage, no save, no chance to resist. Which means that if you have enough force points by then (which is more than likely), you can kill any one enemy by simply spamming the button to use it, even Sion or Traya. Still, lots of DS players seem to like it.

Yep, I called it Must that 3-0 was a lot more than I expected. Too bad for the russians, who seemed to just lose faith as Spain scored. A lot people I've talked to thought Russia would be deadly, but while they played a great match against Holland, I think the dutch are a great team on the offense with a so-so defense, which is what Russia exploited. And naturally Spain had read their game and taken their precautions - Arshavin was totally absent in this game, kept in check by the spanish defense. The russians have played a great tournament, and I have no doubt they'll be a major force in euro and world championships for the next decade. The spanish goals were marvellous, though. Especially the last one was high class and showed the vast ability of Iniesta to read the game - with one pass he totally destroyed the russian defense. Now, Spain vs. Germany in the final. Well, considering who made it to the semi-finals, it's the final I wanted. And Spain will own Germany!

Wow! 0-0 between Spain and Russia by half time, but very exciting. Actually, compared to the Germany vs. Turkey yesterday, this is a primary example of why you cannot measure football by the goals scored. Yesterday it was 1-1 by half-time, but the game was just terrible. Today the first 45 minutes flew by with excellent play from both sides, but no goals. But I think Spain will win. The russians seem to think they could just go in and continue the game against Holland, but of course Spain has watched and won't be caught off guard, which is the chief reason why Arshavin (Russia's no. 10) has been very anonymous in the first half. Pavlyuchenko is still deadly in his raids against the spanish goal, though - what an excellent forward. Torres has been pretty dangerous too, though. A shame Villa had to be taken out. No bookings, though. Surprising, because it's a game where neither side pull their punches, and there have been some nasty fouls already. If the ref doesn't put his foot down hard from the beginning of the second half, this could become a truly ugly, nasty game, considering what is at stake.

Sure I use it. It can be "leveled up" by Kreia eight times or so IIRC, and at the highest is is without doubt the most powerful crystal in the game. I always use it along with the Qixoni in one lightsaber (I always use dual sabers, because you can put crystals in both of them granting obscene buffs to the exile), though sometimes I put it in the short lightsaber, as they primarily buff up the stats, then put whatever other good crystals I can get or buy into the other sword.

Yea that will never happen vader and palpatine were close but no dice The Light cannot survive without the dark and vise versa Yeah. It's just vain hope for the sith that they'll ever succeed in destroying the jedi and rule the republic, which we all know, of course, that they never will.

I didn't think stealth ships so much as republic ships. The true Sith are far away in the unknown regions, so they have little or no specific information about the goings-on in the Republic. I mean, since they allegedly staged the Mandalorian Wars, they do know something about the republic, but it would not be very specific or current information. Besides, their ships would be easily identifiable as alien. So they'd seek out more nefarious groups working within or near the republic, like Czerka or the Hutts, to acquire both information about current events in the republic as well as ships that don't arouse suspicion. My original idea was to find sith ships on both worlds that had information stored, only it was either missing bits (on Myrkr) or it was encrypted (on Sleheyron), so you'd need both to use the incomplete but unencrypted information to decode the complete but encrypted information. Once did that having completed both worlds, you could pinpoint the location of Nihilus2's fleet. But I see no fault with your logic. It's just as viable if not more so. Good thing you don't know where I live... Actually, I did let Nihilus2 destroy one world in my plot, and it needed to happen for the plot to begin, since the jedi would sense it and think "uh-oh - Nihilus is back somehow - we must leave Coruscant before what happened on Katarr happens here". For some reason I always envisioned that doomed world to be Vjun, perhaps because I like the idea that the world where Vader later has his castle is arid because Nihilus devastated it. Don't know much about its history, though, so it might not even be possible. But I can still like the idea, right

Repeatedly, I might add. Which means every time you level up.

Three blackouts during a Euro semi-final? Scandal! Heads will roll and should! Well, at least Turkey is out... They played euphoria and didn't seem to bring much else. Hence I didn't want them to make it to the finals. That said, the germans managed to severely underwhelm today. Was Ballack even in this game? And where was the rock-hard german defense? I suspect the german newspapers will not be fun reading tomorrow... I mean, I can accept that it's to Turkey's credit that they managed to take out Ballack, but he also let them in that he didn't move around a lot making it difficult for them. The germans were strangely off-standing. Again, I must say, it's a shame either Spain or Russia must leave the tournament tomorrow - they both deserve to reach the final far more than Turkey or Germany did. And frankly, whoever wins tomorrow, I hope they also beat the germans in the final.

1. Just because Malak or Sion are blunt instruments lusting for power, and Nihilus too in his own way, doesn't mean that all sith are. Revan's measure of control is not unique. Palpatine is about as wary, and Kreia is far more so than both of them. Besides, it's not like lightsiders don't resort to DS powers. And it's not a problem as such, if they do. The lies in whether they get tempted by the power. As Belaya puts in in KotOR1, "You should be proud of your accomplishment... but never forget that you still have much to learn.As your power grows you will constantly face temptations to slip to the dark side. This is the eternal struggle of the Jedi." Using DS powers is not a problem as such. The problem is that they usually give power to those who use it, and they then become tempted by that power. 2. Actually, that the jedi would both sentence and punish the man is part of their problem, as it makes them both judge and jury as well as the policeman. That's too much power for anyone. And who are the jedi responsible to in the end? Only other jedi. Nice little vicious circle, isn't it? The jedi did better in the prequel movies, because they acted as policemen, but did not meddle in politics. But of course, Palpatine skillfully used that against them, too... 3. Anakin is blinded by power BECAUSE he has a high medi-chlorian count and so is powerful with the force. He has all that power thrown on him, and that makes it far more difficult for him to resist the temptation to use it. After all, if you have power to stop the suffering of the innocent, but are told you can't, because it will corrupt you, then what would you do? I see Revan in a similar manner. I don't see him as the ultimate uber-jedi/sith like some fanboys do, but I do see him as one of the more potent jedi/sith of his time, and with all that power, he could not bear to just sit and watch the innocent die on the Outer Rim while the jedi order did nothing. He knew he could make a difference, and that pushed him to act. That gave him power, which eventually corrupted him. Yes, Anakin is overconfident, but that's not all there was to it IMHO. 4. I disagree. The fight was very evenly matched. Sure, Sidious has more posturing and "you cannot win"-comments. But come, the guy is THE sith lord - of course he has to brag. He just destroyed the jedi order and fooled the republic into becoming HIS empire. Surely that gives him bragging rights And it was evenly matched until Yoda lost his touch and lost the fight. 5. Hmm... "Qui tacet consentire videtur."

I would like to see those planets in K3, so I just invented a reason to go there, arguing that they got ships and supplies from the Hutts on Sleheyron and used the Myrkr as a staging ground with the support of Czerka who had a hidden base of operations there. Hence there would be clues to where they came from on both worlds. But you're right that they could easily be replaced or cut from the plot. Because Revan wants to rule those worlds, not destroy them. "A true victory is to make your enemy realise he was wrong to oppose you in the first place." Revan is hungry for power, and he is confident enough that he thinks he can get there without having to shred part of the empire he hopes to rule in order to get to sit on the throne. He might have "Nihilus" destroy one or two worlds just to demonstrate their power, though, mirroring the threat of the Death Star in the original movie. But sure, cutting back on the power of "Nihilus" would not harm the plot.

Most of the NPCs will respond to conversation alone. Heck, you can max influence with Visas in one conversation... Mira isn't that much harder, really. Some, like Kreia, almost always require you take DS points to build influence, but can still be done almost entirely through conversation. Bao-Dur is the tough one there, especially if you play DS, because there are very few places in the game, where you can build influence with him through simply conversation. Generally he gains influence only if he is in the party to see you perform acts that give you LS points, though only in some specific cases. If you're really interested, I advice finding a walkthru or influence guide, where all these are listed. For example, check here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/920601.html Don't worry if it says Xbox and you're on the pc, since it's still the same game. I play the pc version, and it all worked out as it should, IIRC. For the walkthru, I recommend the one by DSimpson - it's very thorough.

Haha! Lets hope KOTOR 3 is at least in the making by then. That seems a tad optimistic, doesn't it? TSLRP in 2021 or Kotor 3? Yes

It was intended that if you build influence with Mandalore, he would eventually remove his helmet and reveal himself as Canderous. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canderous#Personality However, like so many things in TSL, it was cut when LA pushed the deadline. Team Gizka will bring it back when TSLRP is done, though. Kreia mentions subtle refers to Revan's relationship with Mandalore, hinting that she knows who he is, in a cutscene just before Mandalore takes the exile to Onderon from Dxun. Mandalore also mentions Clan Ordo in this cutscene, further hinting at his identity to those who played the first game. At the end of the game, when you can ask Kreia about the future of your companions, asking about Mandalore will lead to Kreia eventually saying "...and Canderous is a loyal beast", proving who he is. And although the influence options are mostly cut content, you can - if you build influence with Mandalore - get him to reveal that he met and traveled with Revan during the Jedi Civil War, which naturally refers to the events of KotOR1. You can do that whether LS or DS, though naturally the choices that will let you build influence with him tend to come with DS points.

Hmm... "drivethrubuddha does Korriban"... That just sounds wrong somehow

Bao-Dur can only be trained to be a jedi guardian. In fact, the jedi classes of all the "jedifiable" companions in TSL are completely set - they can all be only what they being as or one pre-fixed jedi class for those than can be trained. Only the exile has freedom of choice in classes in TSL.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canderous

I'm fairly certain that when this topic started, "old jedi order" meant the jedi order during Revan's time, which was all but annihilated in TSL, while "new jedi order" meant the jedi order during the prequel movies (episodes 1-3). Now I'm not so sure, though... Erm... Okay, I won't then. Otherwise you can look here, since that way I wasn't then one who said it... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine#P....80.9311_ABY.29 IIRC, he said something to that effect in an interview on 60 Minutes at one point. That being the case, I can't point to a convenient link, I'm afraid.

1. Nah - I missed the Heal powers way too much playing DS, so I don't think that holds. Heck, even Luke used Force Choke in RotJ, and he became the jedi grand master. It's how you use it, not what you use. Using Force Push to push the helpless soldiers over the ege to fall to their deaths DS if incapacitating them with Stun powers is just as viable an option for you, even though Force Push is a neutral power. 2. No, the sith are bound by moral codes as well, or rather a lack of them. I might misinterpret you, and if that is the case I apologize in advance, but this sounds awfully like the classic D&D argument that "chaotic evil is more "free" because you're not bound by ethics and can do whatever you want". But aligments or moral codes are not straight jackets - they are descriptions of what sort of a person a character is. If the person is moral and ethical, he follows a moral code and will not do evil things. It can limit a person at times, sure, but being evil and selfish does not make you more "free" somehow, because still defines you by an "anti-moral code" or lack of a moral code. If you're like that, then you do selfish acts. Suddenly choosing to good is not an option, because then you're not behaving according to the character you've defined yourself as, which means you have moral inconsistency and that you're probably facing an identity crisis. Sorry, but I've had far too many players argue that way in my various RPG campaigns over the years to fall for that argument... 3. I agree. Anakin was more powerful. He was not, however, more experienced, and he was also arrogant about his power. Those are the reasons he lost, not because Obi-Wan was stronger. Anakin was just overconfident and untrained in his true potential, and that virtually always leads to disaster, whereas Obi-wan knew his limits and strengths and played to them. 4. I wouldn't call it one-sided or say Yoda didn't have a chance. I thought he had a fair chance. But he did lose and admitted it. In the end Sidious was just too tough. The film has a major plothole there, though. We know the jedi don't have a code of "it must a one-on-one fight" because Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon fought together against Darth Maul two-to-one in Episode I. Yoda and Obi-Wan are both there on Coruscant with Sidious, while Vader is on Mustafar. So why the heck don't they stay together and take Sidious down? Surely they would have stood a better chance two-to-one than Yoda alone against Sidious... And after that, they could have taken Vader on together. I've always desperately needed an excuse for why they could not do that, but the plot never gave us one. 5. Thanks.

Way ahead of you http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...5628&st=467 http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=177894 EDIT: Oh, those should be marked "potential K3 spoilers" btw - I don't claim to know what will happen in K3, but Avellone subsequently stated things that definitely lended more support than speak against the above speculation.

Maybe it'll surprise you to know that the KotOR games are founded a system used by the Star Wars tabletop RPG system, the latest incarnation of which is based on the D20 system, which basically just means it uses the same base as the third edition of Dungeons & Dragons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D20_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_d20 The fringer is a class in the D20 Star Wars system, just like other non-jedi classes such as scoundrels like Atton (pre-jedi) and Mission, tech specialists like Bao-Dur (pre-jedi), soldiers like Carth or Canderous, or scouts like Zaalbar. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fringer And no, I don't bring it as stats relevant to movie - you did by saying the following: My point is that it's a minefield beginning to do that, which you did by claiming characters in KotOR are far more powerful than those we see in the movie. But there are gamebalancing reasons for that, and hence it is best not to interpret too much from that. What excuses? That's just an explanation. Besides, post-movie EU see Luke, Leia and the emperor far, far stronger than we did in the movies. Sure, it can be argued that much was forgotten because the jedi were all but wiped out by Palpatine's treachery, while he and Vader were the only two sith around, but much was reclaimed later with the re-discovery of Ossus, Korriban and other forgotten places. Besides, no matter what anyone argues, George Lucas has decreed that Palpatine was the ultimate sith lord, and in Star Wars his word is law.

I thought he looks more like a younger Statler. Then again, that might just be because he complains about as much

Haha! Lets hope KOTOR 3 is at least in the making by then. That seems a tad optimistic, doesn't it?