Volourn

"But the general tone of Volourn's posts is that he is stating a fundamental law." I am... just like SP, and others are... if they can do it; so can I. "

I dunno. I just snuck into that chat, and promptly left... <_<

"My mistake, my apologies." Don't apologize! The net is made for misunderstandings and misquotings; not apologizes and forgivenance. Besdies, I've posted quite a bit in this thread so it cna be easy to lose track on a certain thing. No worries. Well, by comparison, how many games benefited from hype that lasted for five years?" That came out? Probably not too many. I'd wager some games in the FPS genre do. And, oh, NWN wasn't hyped for 5 years. More like 3 years or so. It was in development for 5 years. In development does not = hype. I can't, off hand however, name any game that was hyped for 5 actual years though I'm sure if I bothered to do a net search there are lots of games outside of NWN that also took 5 years to develope...

No. I won't admit it; because it's factual that he is one of the best directors in the history of Hollywood. I can name maybe 5 - maybe if I push it - that I would consider better. Maybe. The funny thing is I'm not the greatest SW fans as proven by the fact I have not evens een E3 yet, don't own any of the movies or merchandise, and only have own 2 SW products - the two KOTORs - and the reason I bought them had nothing to do with SW. In fact, i bought them inspite of the SW name..

"Really." Yes, really. "If you love the PC so much howcome I always see you always saying that consoles are winning the war?" 'Cause they are, and the facts prove it. Why do you think people are always whining about how the 'PC game is dying'. I disagree with the severity of such a statement; but the fact people actually think that speaks volumes. Not to emntion, that sales figures back the statement 'consoles are winning the war'. "How come you say most games are better on the console?" Where I say that? In that other thread, I only jumped in when someone stated "fatcually" that PC games are *always* better. I disagreed which made you and others ASSumed that I thought console games were always betetr than PC. That is so far rmeoved from the truth it's plainly laughable. Heck, SP should rmeind you about our PC vs. console debates... "How come PC sports games suck but the console version rocks?" 'Cause they do. Consoles, for whatever reason, do sports games better. It may hurt PC fanboys' heart; but it is true. Of course, PC does certain things better too. HOW SHOCKING! "Yes, I can see that you like the PC more." You obviously can't figure out that my fvaorite gamje overall is NWN. My two favorite games 'actual campaign wise' is BG2 and FO2. What do all three of these games have in common? They're all PC games. After them, a lot of console games sneak in most notebaly sports games, and the FF series. The bottom line is I love both consoles and PCs; and am likely the least bias of anyone ehre sicne I love 'em both equally even though I do end up playing PC games mostly due to NWN being so awesome, and enduring. Game over.

"I suspect Lord Foreshadow in BG1 was also, as his name implies, foreshadowing NWN as well when you conversed with him.." I cna't believe youa re gonna count that as hype. Most peopel likely forgot all about Mr. Foreshadow well before NWN's release. "ToEE's hype was nowhere near as that of Baldur's Gate or KoTOR. At best it had a fair amount, but it still paled in comparison. Nowhere near the KoTOR level that you suggested." It had lots of hype. Nowehre did I say it had as much hype as KOTOR though so why are suggetsing that I suggested that? All I said was that both KOTOR and TOEE were hyped way more than you suggested... not that their hype was equal to each other. "I mentioned hype affecting initial sales." That's true for any game. NWN is not unique or special in this aspect like you implied. "Of course not. I love his creative talent, his vision, and his creations.' But his directing skills are probably his weak spot. That doesn't mean I could do better, or most people could for that matter." Weak spot can be so relative. Even with diretcing being his 'weak spot' he is still one of the best directors in the business. "It takes a lot of work and skill to create something as outstanding as SW. But if anything, he could probably benefit from a few pointers from others in the trade." Of course he could. Everyone cna always beneift from that sort of thing. Other directors can learn a lot from him too...

Just look at his career history. The quality of his movies and hence his skill as a directord/producer/screenswriter/whathaveyou is, overall, awesome. of coruse, there are likely stinkers. Remmeber, not all of his movies are hits; but that doesn't mean they suck. LONG LIVE KING GEORGE LUCAS!

"When will it be finished? " Who series? Not for a long time... Like 2007 at the earliest... "(Y'know, the whole series, from part I - XXCVII?)" LOL It's 4 parts. (w00t) "Also, what were you doing here?"

"think it's safe to say that Volourn is a console fanboy, so everything he says on this matter can be ignored. Now, being a PC and console gamer I think I can safely say that my opinion means a bit more than Volourn's or Nurb's." Hahahah, troll. That's hialrious; but hey,because Mr. green asks us to play nice; I shall. Anyone who knows anything about me knows I'm no Console fanboy. All one has to do is look at my list of fvaorite games or what type of games I prefer to play to know that rumour, myth, and innuendo youa re trying to spread rings hollow. My point was never 'consoles are better'; but that people overrate PCs. There's lots of things that consoles do better than PCs. Silly PC apologists and exusists are funny. But, hey, I'm just a console fanboy who spends 80% of his gaming time playing PC games. Hhahahaha!!

"Not quite, considering Star Wars already is a household name as you say. Neverwinter Nights needed what Star Wars doesn't need any longer - added time and resources to promote its name." KOTOR was hyped alot more than NWN was. KOTOR even had a tv ad soemthing NWN never did to my knowledge. Heck, even JE had a tv ad. KOTOR was million times hyped than NWN. Afterall, it not only had the BIO name hyping it but the LA/SW name as well. You cna't beat that can kind of hype. "ToEE got little publicity at all, and Baldur's Gate got moderate amounts." These two games got lots of hype. TOEE had a host of hype in both gaming magazines and on the 'net. Just do a search of previews, and the like for TOEE. And, BG good pretty good hype consideirng the fact it came out during a time where I had no access to computers and I still heard about it. NOW, that's hype. "Not necessarily, considering hype is there mostly to affect initial sales, not sales in the long run." That's my point. All hype does it get peopelk's interest; it does not make game successful except in all of the rare cases. NWN has good long term sales. That's not because of hype so to give credit for NWN's success to hype is silly. NWN2 isn't getting a sequel because of NWN's hype; but because NWN's success. ON TOPIC: Lucas is one of the best directors ever. His movie resume speaks for itself.

"Exaclty but some people just cant accept that George isnt perfect it seems." Who said Lucas was perfect, and was seriosu about it? Tell me his name so I cna laugh at the fool. "I'd say that NWN was possibly their only game to have achieved success more due to hype and word of mouth instead of talent" You'd be wrong. That would be KOTOR due to it simply being hyped 'cause of its SW origin. NWN sold because it's damn good, and people know it hence your word of mouth part is correct; and hype is no more correct than saying FO, or TOE, or BG sold out hype. Afterall, if hype was why NWN sold; it would ahve stopped selling yet it hasn't...

"He wrote the story for The Empire Strikes Back" Game over. Stephen King also doesn't write all that many screenplays; but some of the best movies ever made are best on Stephen King books. He mostd efinitely deserves as much; if not more credit than the screenwriter since when a screenwriter is "just" adpating a book/story to screen; most of the work is already done for them. "If commercial success is a measure of one's talent, Bill Gates is the worlds best programmer." Commerical success isn't the only measure; but it most certainly is one of the most important. It's not like SW got lucky and got a lot of people to watch it and then the sequels bombed. SW is a repeated success; because George Lucas is an awesome producer, writer (even if some of the writing isn't perfect0, and director. GEORGE LUCAS IS AWESOME AND IS STAR WARS! PRAISE BE TO KING GEORGE!

"You're Carth! You have trusting problems, but once you warm up to somebody, you are friends for a long time unless they die of boredom from your complaining. You either hate or love yourself, and you've seen a lot in life. Keep your head high, everything'll be okay! Oh, and just try to remember that you're either the posterboy or the most hated one. " Total garbage.

You aren't too bright. Those aren't facts. As anyone with half a brain knows, numbers DO, in fact, lie.

PC gamers are known for the immaturity, and thier arrogant overrtaing of their selfworth. They are pathetic creatures who need to be patted on the head and told they are ok even if they are losers. This thread proves this fact beyond all reasonable doubt. Not to mention, PC gamers tend to lie when discussing PC vs. console strengths and weaknesses. This is also proven factual by this very thread.

No. The evidence suggests that he is a great screenwriter/director. You don't become as successful as he has without being great. How many directors or screenwriters do you know that have literally built an entire empire ? Very few, if any others. He may not be perfect; but he sure is better than 99% of other ones. Since you enjoy repetition Mr. Shadow, enjoy the following: GEORGE LUCAS IS AWESOME AND HE IS STAR WARS! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!

I'll never be 15. I, so forever, be 1.

PROGRESS: Not much this week until the weekend thanks to being forced to work every day soo.. Question: What information have I NOT shared would you be most interested in at this moment?

"The bad parts, too. SW being cool does not mean it's flawless" Who said otherwise? I certainly didn't.

"Why dont you go to Theatres? Its great. Do you have a lot of bisarre OCD's or Agoraphobia or similar?" LOL No. I have no problem with people, or public places. Or the open. (Agora is fear of open or public palces I think?). I just think theatres are the worst place to watch movies. Watching them from 50' away with people pigging out on junkfood and slurping their sodas, crybaby kids, and the sound being way too high until your ears fall off; I'll pass. "I think someone else could have done it better." No. GL = SW. Everyone esle just wants to steal his thunder and don't know what they are doing. They probably forced Jar Jar on him, and of course he gets blamed for all the bad things about SW; but people won't give him the credit. Go figure. Kinda rmeinds me of KOTOR2. Obsidian gets all the credit for the good aprts of KOTOR2; but LA gets all the blame for the bad parts. R00fles!

"Its not so much that you like George, its the way you express that love." You mean the fact that I repeat it multiple times like the anti George Lucas - all the while they rush out to see his movies? What's hialrious is I ahven't seen E3 as I don't go to theatres no matter what. The bottom line, however is the following: GEORGE LUCAS IS AWESOME AND IS STAR WARS! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE! "Me? Trolling? Nooo..." R00fles! :D

"have to ask - I think I get the first eight letters, but what does the rest mean?" A. It's a trade secret. B. I'd be banned if I were to write it out.

"There once was an old stone forum where people used to post every day. Underneath the forum however, lived a small but troll. It's name was Volo and it One day, there came a.." I'm a troll because I'm pro George Lucas? ROTFLMAOATWTKKUYADYTATTITW That's hialrious. SP, and others call anyone whod isagrees with their opinion on this issue brainwashed, fanboys, and morons yet I am the troll for stating an opinion about one of the issues? Hahaha. P.S. By definition, your post is very much a symbol of trolling.

"Thats debatable but even so were he to actually use real talent rather than his own lets be honest mediocre abilities as a screenwriter and director Star Wars would be that much better for it. I have no doubt at all if he had stepped back the new trilogy would be something really special rather than two dire films and a slightly above average one." Ahhh.. You want repetiveness? So be it. GEORGE LUCAS IS AWESOME AND HE IS STAR WARS! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!