Volourn

HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY!

Can; but won't. You are a BIO fanboy. I mean you bought an x-box just so you cna play JE -an Action RPG - on the day of its release. Just admit the truth. We'll still love you. :">

"I am betting it will be a 15 hour short POS if it is released at all." You will buy it at fuill price on day of release. You will replay it dozens of time. You will enjoy it. You will come to the boards and bash it. You will whine about how easy it is. You will whine about how much you died against a certain creature, and then accuse BIO of cheating. Good times for all.

Yeha, all I've heard is that sometime in 2007 is the *earliest* that DA will be released. And, if it does, I'd wager it be around Christmas time next year if anything...

"KOTOR 2's lack of post-production support (along with an early release date) suggests a form of sabotage by disgruntled folk at LA." No. No, it doesn/ Only Obsidian fanboys would suggest such a things. I seriosuly doubt LA would sabatoge their own game. Besdies, if they were trying to sabatoge it, they did a poor job of it consideirng how much it sold.

Hehe. So true. It cna be annoying (and lots of fun!) playing it with another. :D

"LA was only looking out for themselves," As well they should.

"You don't grant people an extention then take it away." If they all felt the game was done, and no longer needed the extension then absolutely you do. Or you have a situation like Bl where the game sits there playing tiddlywinks (or so we're told) while waiting for the go ahead to release even though it's 'done'. That's silly. Game over.

After pushing it back first. Afterall, it was scheduled to come out at Christmas time... and, it did... Game over.

Hey, it's a compliment!

"Only the US Xbox version was released at that time." That doesn't change anything nor does it prove your point in any way.

"Anyone expecting the same game as Baldurs Gate only had themselves to blame." Exactly? And, hades, since when were they supposed to be 25 hours? Last I checked, BGDA was always meant to eb around 10 hours. As for canon, big whoop, every D&D game ever made breaks canon. "Would that have been Warriors of the Eternal Sun ?" I loved this game. :"> Better than most PC D&D games even if it's story and actual roleplaying was kinda lacking.

"Well it's like being told you have a month to write an essay. Then 2 weeks later being told you only have a week left." Except in this case, when KOTOR2 was announced, Christmas time was the due date then it got pushed back til February then only the x-box version got moved back up to Christmas. So, your analogy doesn't work as clearly as you think.

"Expansion packs made by the developer count. Mods made by fans count towards a games replayability." Yo, the Premium Mods that we refer to are made by the developer and they cost money. And, outside of the smaller scale, are pretty much expansions: ie. official product that one must pay for that adds to an existing game. So, thanks for helping me out vs. The Super Evil known as Hades. :D

"Patches and mods are not new games, Volourn." The 'mods' aren't simple mods. They are official products that have to be paid to play. They're called expansions - products that add to an existing game that one must pay for. Or as BIO calls them - Premium Mods. And, patches ar enot new games, but they are work, and work being done that can be only enjoyed by PC owners. It illustatres that BIO is not 'console only'. Game over.

And, they have. Hence the hiring of a QA team. Obsidian wins.

Says the one who is so consumed with DA being 'vapourware' that he posts non stop about this supposed non existing game. Why discuss a game that supposedly doesn't exist? R00fles! P.S. NWN does count. And, the new PM do count as they are a product that is ebing sold PC only. It doens't matter if the audience for it is relatively small. The bottom line is they are products for sell by BIO for PC only. Game over.

Alanshu wins.

"QA can be expensive. I imagine that's why it's not too uncommon for studios to not have it." True. And, it's probably one of the reasons why getting a development studio off the ground and into success isn't all that easy espicially when you are depending on a publisher who probably has another half dozen or so devlopers working on games they ahevto QA for. Plus, one can QA all they want. It means nothing if what the QA finds isn't 'fixed' which is IIRC is the developer's job. "Bug free?? R00fles!! Time for you to come back to reality. Diablo has ten patches to its name, which tells me that game was pretty damned buggy if it required having ten patches released. Plus it tells me they could not get it right with the previous nine patches." Comparititvely speaking. Please read. Also a lot of those patches are more than just mere bug fixes. In fact, the msot recent NWN is probably mostly an update. Plus, most buggy games get 1 or 2 patches and then thrown in the trash. See: BL, TOEE, and KOTOR2 (though this one isn't nearly as buggy as the other two) as examples of this. "Volo thinks there is thanks to godlike QA." WOW! I didn't think you were one to make things up. Better reread my post again.

The main reason is that it's only smart for a developer to have their own QA. Afterall, a dev knows more about the game they're making then the publisher... or at least they should... It's no wonder that devs like Bio, Blizzard, and Bethesda are so successful, and so big... And, 2/3 of those comapnies (in comaprison to other devs) have relatively bug free games.

"To wit: the ideal "nobody" story would start you off tabula rasa and allow *you* to determine what your motivations and goals are. Yet such a game, from a player's point of view, is going to have a very slow start as in the beginning I'd have little interest and personal attachment to the world. In order to make a educated decision as to what my goal is, and to have the passion to pursue such a goal, I must first be *interested* in the world. This, in turn, argues for some sort of in media res introduction - a hook I can relate to (and anyone can relate to being chased by murderous Githyanki, surely ) that'll get me exploring and learning about the world." This could abeen solved much easier, and still have the same 'Githyanki want their sword back' story. In the previous war when their sword got lost, the last remaining piece got buried in an old ruins in the nearby swamp. In the first chapter of the OC, the PC can easily come across these ruins, and find the sword. At the conclusion of said chapter, the gith have figured out where the sword is (they don't know you have it) so attack the village. they overwhelm the palce and you flee (knowing at tjsi time you cna't beat an army of well armed Gith). Then the chase can be on (they figure out you ahve the sword by interrogating other villagers) and the games really begins. See, same basic story, but none of this 'sword stuck in my behind when I was baby and now I was Chosen To defend It At All Cost). Heck, in this version, you cna actually have the PC decide to surrender the sword willingly to the Gith (to spare the village or out of self safety) and then the enemy of the Gith (the other funny race) can become really upset for you returning their enemy's powerful weapon and start to hunt you down in the same manner... this can make you stuck between the two sides 9which, in a way, can still be possible even in the current Obsidian version). Still, at least in this fake version, your character is defined solely by your actions; not by something you have no control over whatsoever... Seriosuly, for all the places/people for a part of sword to find itself ... it has to be you? And, no one happens to notice you got a piece of a sword inside? Weren't your parents/caregivers watching you? Uhuh....

"No you admitted to liking those trashy BG console games. The real deal the IE games are far superior to games then and even now. Same goes with Fallout." 1. Why are they trashy? 2. Liking both PC and console games done's make it wrong. 3. You are wrong.

Ha. Go play Dunegon Seige. I'll go play a real RPG known as FO. Talk about bad tastes. " Yes, my tastes are horribl. Shame on me for liking the IE games, KOTOR games, and the like. Horrible, horrible me.

"what course does Obs have but to butcher the game and make it playable enough for release?" They signed the contract. Their choice, they're perogative. And, it seems they don't mind, sinc eit seems they *relaly* wnat to develop KOTOR3 very much. Obs is the developer. No exuses. They're not helpless nor are they slaves.

Those console games were awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome. They brought honour to the BG name.