Volourn

Red the TOEE boards. They couldn't even get the identification rules correct. R00fles!

"to be fair, it don't take much to get banned from bio these days." Simply not true. "nothing the obsinaties or atari folks do now will impact sales o' nwn2. can't rebuild game through patches in hopes that some huge number of non-purchasers will hear 'bout improvements and buy. foolishness." O RLY? Proof? I don't think it should come to a big surprise that NWN was a prettyd ecent seller even well after after its original release.

Awesome movie!

R00fles! Tileset tab in blueprint window has vanished! HAHAHA!

"I take it you have never played a D&D before?" Yup. Never in my life. Not once. "the first rule of d&D is no matter the cost, kill the mages first, then the clerics." Nope. The number one rule of D&D is that there are no rules; just guidelines. As for rules of D&D combat, no, the number one rule is to eliminate the biggest threat as soon as possible. It doesn't matter if that threat is a mage or a warrior. If the mage is jerking off; but the warrior is killing your buddies off quick; you better target the warrior first. Period. "because it pretty accurately reflected" So accurate that the game was littered with HUNDREDS of rules changes. R00fles! "why TOEE was the best d&D game" Not even close. In all my never playing D&D; TOEE is not even the top 10 D&D games. It doesn't even come close to capturing the feeling I could never feel since I never played D&D. Ever.

The funny thing is I don't recall finding any bags in the final dungeon. once again, you are accusing me of things I never said. Why? Bottom line is there are enough bags in the game, there are at least 3 (yoru number) in ch1, and they ARE reltaively cheap. 800gp, and about 2k (again, YOUR numbers) is still cheap in ch1. The ph@t lewt in this game is unbelievable in this game even in ch1. In fact, espicially in ch1 , since there's no keep expenses to worry about.

Except I don't believe I have ever claiomed there wer emore than 3 bags in ch1. Nice try; though. I don't recall the number of bags I've fouynd in cfh1. Just the full game. So, keep up the good work claiming I claim soemthing when I made no such claim. *shrug* My only claim was that there were at leats 10 bags in the game if not closer to 20. And, that the bags found in stores in ch1 are actually rather cheap.

"You should check the sales chart. TOEE did do well" Define 'well'. "However i think the TOEE's are better games than the BG's and the planscapes" I disagree. While it's combat system was really good, and definitelya rguably better than Aurora or IE combat; the combat itself was not that impressive because it was very simple, basic, and pretty boring. Look at that. A bugbear! And, it's going striaght for the mage that's like 6 rounds away way in the back and it charges through the front lines. Look at that. The poor bugbear was chopped down before it even got half way to the mage. R00fles!

"Thieves, Bards and Warlocks can get good use out of him also." Ok. You got me there, Sneaky One. "is these like vol's imagined magic bags?" The funny thing is I'm not the only imagining these magic bags. *shrug*

"then buy stuff from deekin gets real expensive real fast. additional buy a handful of spells and some heal kits" Unless you are a PrC, most of what he sells is junk. You use heal kits, and actually buy them? I used maybe 5 the whole game and only bought some +10 ones later on though I don't know why I bothered. There's enough healing potions including unlimited heal types starting in ch2 I believe as well aqs 2 npcs that can cast healing spells inclduing oen that comes relatively early.

The best example of 'too much fluff' was when the one npc gives the history of the Blood War. Most of that was unnesseccary word vomit that added nothing (or very little) to the story that was being told. In fact, i'd wager that even those who actually like PST (like me) probably skimmed a lot of that dialogue because the fellow was just regurating word vomit which is very gross.

"These are facts." Not really. Circumstantial evidence at best.

"in act 3, i finally got my first 100% bag." Only found one actual bag of holding myself too.

Gothic 3 is the best Gothic/ES style game ever. I have played for about 15 hours thus far. I am enjoying myself for the most part. however, it has TONS of problems that aren't neccessarily bugs; but simply poor design. I could see very easily how it is getting poor reviews despite enjoying my play through. *shrug*

"the only other "Gross-ly" over-rated QB in the league is Eli." Nah. I don't think Eli is overrated. He is exactly what he is - a good QB on a (usually) very talented team (when they aren't injured). I've never considered Eli the 'best of the best'. I don't think anyone truly believed he was going to be as good as his brother. A few maybe; but not enough to say he's 'overrated'. And, no, I watch Vick a lot 'cause not only is he very good; he's also very exciting to watch. He's a greta player on a crappy team. If he were on the Giants, the Giants would be doing better even with their injuries. P.S. Heh. Go Garcia! A guy whose taken way too much undeserved abuse in the past several years. I like TO; but he the was the jerk who started it too!!

Jorian > Gromnir Game over. And, 800gp Grom? And about 1600gp for the others? That's rather cheap even in ch1. You suck at finding treasure even in a ph@t lewt game! R00fles!

"there is only a handful of shopkeepers that got bags... vol is, as usual, full o' crap. many of those shopkeers that does have bags is not available until relatively later in game... and yeah, in chapter 1 even the magic pouch (smallest bag) were relatively expensive." Wrong on absolutely every account. Why are you sprouting crap? What do you define as 'reltaively expensive', btw? A few hundred gold pieces? R00fles! I've seen shopkeepers with as many as 3 bags, or so themselves. L0LLERZ

No wonder you don't see lots of magic bags. Unlike what Grom says, theya re pretty cheap and there's quite a bunch. Just talk to the SK.

It also had 3 more talkative HENCHMEN in SOU, and 2 HENCHMEN in HOTU that were talkative with both you, and eahc other. The OC had EXPERT HIRELINGS whoe evn told ya their life history and gave you quests that they would reward you if you successfully did so. Game over.

How cna you only find 3? Do you guys even talk to shopkeepers?

If Vic was on the Bears, they'd likely be udnefeated. Heck, if 99% of QBs not named Grossman were on the Bears, they'd be undefeated. R00flers!

"Vick is a side show, not a quarterback. I'd take San Fran over them." He's a QB. And, a pretty darn good one. Just because he's not the prototypical QB doesn't mean otherwise. He's a top 10 QB. Easily. Vick is UNDDERATED. Period. Grossman is (well was) the overrated one.

O RLY? :crazy: No factual evidence has been brought forth in this thread (or any other) that NWN1 had no npc interaction.

"There aren't that many of them (going through 2/3 of the game I have 2 bags" Eh? I found at leats 10 magic bags, and proably closer to 20. So many of them, in fact, I started elling all the wimpy ones off and only kept a bag of holding and a few of the stronger magic bag holdings.

Plenty. Do a search on these boards (and others) that discuss this very issue for exmaple. 1. The Bhaalspawn didn't have to become a god so he could still be a mortal. 2. You could role-play a spawn of the spawn. 3. Bhaal's plot to bypass his death could have been more complex then merely making a lot of babies. And, taht's just the tip of the iceberg of ideas. The only thing limiting people able to see a possible continuation of the Bhaalspawn saga is a complete lack of imagination.