Volourn

"but you shouldn't deny facts like the one that it's a buggy mess " But, it isn't. I played it with no crashes, slowdowns, or any big time obvious bugs.. It was no mess not even close. So.. the 'fact' that it was a buggy mess isn't really a 'fact', right? Right.

"I want them to roll back to what they were before they started making BG, and then I want them to rethink their steps. " So you want them to make MDK2 and SS type games? Which of those came before BG? I think it was SS. Their least suyccessful game. It should be noted, btw, that BIO had way more than 30 employees working on BG. LMAO

"The land of Volo "What I say goes and what everyone else does doesn't matter... ever! And if somebody proves me wrong, it's invalid because it never happened to me!" K. I should base my opinions and views on what others think. That sounds awesome! I should go play WOW then!

"so Bio in Canada will be forced to lay off half their staff and resort to iPhone games to make a living " Won't happen. You won't see BIo with just 30 employees ever again.

"Morons spouting strawmen instead of offering any legitimate refutations make me laugh even harder, believe me." You've posted nothing that iss erious enoguh to refutue. All you've given is KOTOR OL will fail because you say so. LMAO that's dee, man, that's deep. Your lame personal attacks are just hilarious!

"are completely off the mark then" I never suffered those bugs and I don't give a crap if others did. Their experiences is are completely and irrelevant to me. Sorry, the truth hurts. I don't allow OTHERS tell me how I should view a game. Period.

"Eh, depends on the movies, on the original trilogy, story and characterization was awesome, on the new trilogy, it's all about the graphics ejaculating into your eyballs." Eh. Both trilogies are about equal. the original is overrated and the prequels are underrated. Except Jar Jar. there is simply no defending jAR jAR. Disgusting.

Popularity does not equal good. or I must I link all the NWN review that gave it 90%+? Or all the AP reviews that gave it horrible marks? Don't play the populairty contest. You will lose. And, don't be so butthurt over the fact people like a game you don't. TW was popular enough to get a sequel. 'Nough said. "Because Two worlds retail was a pile of bugs and garbage." No.

"I must have missed something here." Butthurt detected.

"that's exactly what I'm hoping for: that Bio will be reduced to a small studio with 30 employees at most and will have to slow down and put out a game once every two years." BIO EDM will never have just 30 employees. They had more than 30 employees when they made BG for pete sake. BIO with either continue chugging or long or they will crash and burn. If BIO ended up with 30 employees they wouldn't be the BIo as we know it. And, they wouldn't be making popular games. You simply can't make main stream highly markletable popualr games nowadays with just 30 employees. the market won't allow barring complete and utter luck.

"It's been pretty obvious that SW:TOR is going to flop for a while now - it may have had potential to do well (note I say do well, not be good) early on, but what they've revealed looks like a gimmicky mess. " Pretty obvious to who? The same brainiacs who felt that the DA marketing campaign sucked and that game was gonna flop? the same peeps who believe that ME series was just a KOTOR wannabe and it ended up being more successful than KOTOR ever was despite not being a well known brand? L0LZ Internet geekz monkies make me laugh at their arrogance.

"I once played the Two Worlds demo and it completely sucked. Don't know why people are getting their hopes up for the sequel." TW is one fo the best Action RPGs ever. "Butthurt detected." Really gonna use a Codex meme here? L0LZ

R00fles!

When the truth hurts flame on, right? Don't shoot the messenger.

"You have to remember that some of the worst games ever made were SW games yet they still sold well." And, some SW games can crash andn burns. Being a SW games - much like being D&D - doesn't guarantee success either. Plenty of SW games ahve been blimps on the radar.

"DLCs have always been about using simple tricks ("bonus" character, bonuses are good!) to maximise revenue, no going round it. Even free DLCs are simply part of the scheme to get you on the wagon. " Special editions and preorders have been used like that for years. It's nothing new. DLC is just the natural progression of it in this digital age. Ultimiately, it's up tot he consumer what they want. 8shrug* As for it being greed, big deal, no more greedier than customers who are the most evil, selfish, sickest, arrogant, scumbag group in the entire history of the world. I'm just thankful that in the end customers have very little power even though they think otherwise. "Especially since the hardcore RPG crowd that had a substantial part in DA's sales is neither blind nor retarded and knows exactly what it wants to play." Define 'significant'. And, yes, the so called 'hardcore RPG crowd' are blind *and* retarted. They're also unnimportant in the grand scheme of things. "Considering EA's track record if they screw this and TOR up, they're as good as dead." The chances of BIO EDM (the real BIO) going anywhere anytime soon is very minimal. Yoru wishful thinking means nothing. Plus, I remember the doom and gloom pre DA and we know that turned out. LMAO

".. So are you saying that any single player game that has a focus on story and characters..that involves combat.. is a copycat of every other game that does that? Doesn't that basically make every game with a halfway decent story and some interesting characters a copycat of every other game ever written?" You make it sound like I'm saying 'more of the same' is bad. It isn't. I take quality over originality any day. Does it make every game that has those features the exact samer? No. But, theyd efinitely are more ambitious than a game that tries to different things, and tries to push gaming in a different direction. With NWN, you can literally play just like you can pnp DnD - none of the other BIO games allow you to do that. That's why it's more ambitious than the other ones including and espicially BG2.

SP game with a focus on story, characters, and combat. Combat style itself is irrelevant.

"So you're saying that a half baked game with a DIY kit to finish it up is more ambitious" Not the terms I'd use, but yup definitely more ambitious than BG2. " than a full fledged, " K. "largest ever" No, it isn't. Why are you lying? ", well written" Sure. " and interesting RPG?" Sure. But, being wellw ritten or interesting does not mean you are being ambitious. BG2 is nothing but a large expansion (sequel) to another game. That's not ambitious. That is literally the dfintion of 'more of the same'. Nothingw rong with that, but don't make stuff up. NWN, by defintion, is more ambitious than BG2 because it tackles soemthinhg BIO had never done before and they were pushing something their audience at the time didin't even want. Heck, that includes me, because before NWN, I never cared about playing games on line period, and I whined like any good BIO basher. BIO tooka risk with NWN and it paid off despite the naysayers. That's ambition. Games like JE, KOTOR, DA, ME, and BG2 are nothing more than BG1 copy cats. And, DA is just a mix wannabe copy cat of Bg and NWN but it utterly failed trying to copy NWN. R00fles!

"A toolset is something new in the world of computer games? " New? No. But a hell of a lot more ambitious than BG2 was. It was also new that BIO went further than anyone ever did when it came to making modding tools that basically anyone could use. The fact they had a game that full fledge OC 9whetehr you like it or not is irrelevant), online, SP campaign, and a toolset. And, NWN was different than any otyhr BIO game and even DA floppedm in terms of how crappy it's toolset is mod coummity is. Sorry, but anyone who claims that BG2 was in any way more ambitious or brought something more 'new' than NWN is delusional. Plain, and simple. Argue that BG2 was better than NWN as you might have a case (I personally prefer BG2 over the OC myself) but BG2 as being more ambitious? Hell to the no.

OMG! That's hialrious! Now someone is whining about how EA is too hands off, and they *wanr* A to swoop in and micromanage things. LMAO

"Which applies to every other Bioware game, ever. " Nah. That wouldm be NWN. BG2 wasn't ambitious. It was a sequel that was 'more of the same'. With NWN pushed ahead with something that was different, and actually tried something new.

"Don't mock him! It must be difficult seeing the correct post through the tears of his fanboi crying." Funny enough, I don't care about KOTOR OL and don't plan to buy it.

"But RPGers/CRPGers as is biowares main audience may be quite disappointed with that type of game. " But.. but.. i thoguht BIO doesn't cater to RPGers anymore? Right? So.. how are they BIO's 'main audience' again? You can't have it both ways. Besides, KOTOR OL is likely more focused on drawinjg in SW fans thatw ere dissapointed in the last SW MMO than BIO fans. Heck, it's not even being made by then 'real' BIO. *shrug*

"there were a lot of mention on the disparity between PC and Consolle version for the combat part." Yeah, PC biased people who probably never even bothered with the console version to bgin with. I tried both, and whiole the PC does some things better, overall, I prefer the console version. "but who am I to discuss the design of their game?" Eh. That's what the internet is for. Just take our convo as an exmaple. It be pretty boring and short if we agreed with each other all the time. Differing opinions is a good thing unless you are a dictator. "it's difficult to understand why they have changed the combat system so much if not taking consolle in consideration (imho, off course)." No doubt nor do I neccessarily agree with the changes they are making. I'd argue that changesthey are making are so unneccessary, but BIO isn't making DA2 for Volourn but for a bunch of people.