Lucius

So a bit like Candyman? Wouldn't it be "Rooooooofleeeeees", then?

You can summon Volo? :ph34r:

I thought this was standard in all infantry regiments, I know it was in my platoon. "

You might notice that he's from Sweden, ergo not one of your 'liberals'.

I was talking about the battle of Tora Bora, not now as such, I don't think he's there anymore. I don't think that Bush will catch less flak than Clinton, the media have nailed him and his inept administration this time. His charmingly stupid-like cowboy attitude won't get him outta this one. And if his "I'm-gonna-hold-two-black-girls-on-TV" trick is gonna fool the American public, I might (just might) implode.

They also explained how the local northern alliance warlords, whom the US thought to be on their side, had been bribed at a meeting with Osama to hinder the US advance up the mountain. He simply gave them an envolope each filled with cash and their loyalty was his... With friends like these, and way too few US troops on the ground, I mean, it's no wonder he escaped. He probably rode off into the sunset on some doped up camel.

I agree. I also think that the war correspondents in Iraq ought to put down the mic and grab a rifle. Nothing like untrained people in a crisis situation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I remember seeing a program in which some news guys said that if all the journalists had been armed with guns at Tora Bora in Afghanistan, Osama would have been dead or captured by now. There were more reporters than US soldiers around that mountain. (according to them anyway)

Bang on, Jon nails it as usual. How the hell could this man ever be reelected.

Well I think we've pretty much covered it, I'd like to see more about the concealed gun statistic you mentioned, I've never even heard of that before. I'll see if I can find any Euro crime stats later tonight, but I'm somewhat busy now. (hence the short response)

Well the two of us have derailed the Hurricane topic.

Well you started using the "E" word, and I continued not giving it more thought. It's no secret that Denmark had a large portion of arab immigrants during the 90'ies, and some groups of these (a minority) caused a lot of trouble. I went to school while this was going on, and I've had my share of uncomfortable encounters (although never assaulted), then in the elections of 2000 a socialist right wing party (sounds contractionary, I know) grew to become the third largest party in parliament, as the Danes had grown tired of immigration and integration problems, they are still the supporting party of the sitting center-right wing government. I voted for this party myself, and neither the EU nor the UN liked that we the people had elected a government supported by such a party, they obviously didn't like that the party knew how to speak its mind about the previous governments failure at limiting immigration and improving integration. The UN call it "hate speech", I call it a wake up call, and even though the tone was harsh at first the message has come through on both sides of the political center, I didn't voted for them in the last election half a year ago, since the situation has improved a lot now, I didn't find it critical anymore. Needless to say the UN and EU appears to have given up trying to force our population to think otherwise. As for the torture committees findings, we have a very professional police force, something which the state takes pride in. The only place we've come close to "torture" was when an interrogation officer in Iraq said some harsh things to a captive arab. However they are probably right about the law, but that doesn't mean that our police force tortures people just because there's a gab in the codex, it's competely unheard off! Solidary confinement is used as a punishment as in other nations, but the long hauls (which I think they're questioning here) are there to keep dope dealing criminals from obstructing justice, we have something called "Zero Tolerance" towards dope dealers in the capital. I do however, remember a video of some southern US police force beating the crap outta some black dude lying on the street, and these police folks got acquitted, which caused a riot. Now that is torture. I wonder if the UN took its precious time to actually look into that? Can you remember this exact story? I don't think it was that long ago. I can't do that, but neither can you show me a place where I've said that European nations are without problems of their own, however I don't think that any Euro nation, large or small, has as much crime as the US. Police forces here, in Scandinavia at least, are also a lot less prone to shoot, but again this is related to the whole "right to carry guns" issue. "We" don't have that right, nor do we want to have it (most of us anyway). Depends on where you're living, if you're living on the border then yes you get influenced quite heavily by the neighbour, however the guy living in central Germany is still a lot different from the guy living in Paris. Even though the nations share borders. Here, I can see Sweden from my window, but a strait seperates us, I can tune in to their TV channels if I want to, but I really don't feel like they influence me. (though we might be so much alike in the first place that it's difficult to absorb more influence. However I loathe their hairstyles) " Me too. Probably, I'm just trying to find some sense in a disaster such as this, with inept government response and just an endless tide of black people standing around waiting to get rescued. Not to mention that in almost every picture or clip, you see someone with a gun, be they civilians, police or military. Well from what I understand we still don't know the full impact of the destruction by the hurricane, but you probably know more about this than me. I though that "welfare" was a nono in the US, a "welfare state" here includes things like free medical care and free education, you have that in some places? Or is it 'simply' the unemployment check kinda welfare? Possibly.

Thanks SoE, this is good fun! :D As for Pen!s vs vagina; Help! Help! We're being oppressed! :ph34r:

Now there's a frightening thought. Was that a low blow?

And these are important tools to hold a nation together, they're not just a "little".

I'm more interested in how common this is, if it is in fact common.

Care to explain what you meant by this statement, or am I supposed to read your mind?

I liked him back when he first appeared to us in Gladiator.

I just thought that this commentary was interesting, I have no idea who this guy is other than some news dude, he seems seriously pissed off. Personally I can't imagine having someone speak his mind like this on one of our news stations, he'd be sacked here for sure, even though I think that this guy got a point in his rant. Anyway, I was just rather surprised and wanted to know if this was normal for US news stations.

That's because Sean Connery is cool :cool:, besides his Scottish accent isn't that noticeable, is it? Also, Russel Crowe tossed a phone at some Hotel clerk recently, very uncool.

I thought Endar was getting implants, how disappointing. <_<

In your dreams fanboi <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I'm sure they're in his dreams somewhere, but that doesn't make the statement false.

Now now, as much as I know you'd like to turn my own arguments against me ^_^, you did in fact mention "Europe" first as seen here, and I used it only to show you that this continent is as big as, and in my opinion more diverse than the US, which then leads me back to the initial point of my argument that "we" are not a single nations such as you, and how citizens of a different European nation behave after or during a football match really has nothing to do with me. I know you said that this wasn't what you meant, but this was how I understood your response at any rate. Yeah, I know of the cosmopolitan US cities (although I don't know as much as you, of course). It sounds like you live in one, however I've never even been to one, and I'm sure I'd get a culture shock if I ever did. (I hear the amounts of people in the streets can be terrifying at first). However I should have said that I was talking more 'state-to-state-' wise, since this is the closest you can get to comparing nations of Europe. I know that there are still various differencies in accents, political opinions etc. from state to state, but you still share a common language, traditions and what not that binds you all together somehow, yes? If I were to go to Germany, which is my southern neighbours, I'd better friggin' learn to speak German, and appriciate sausage. I have tried to communicate with Germans before, my skills are horrible. :D Who is Joe? And why is he more important than me? I know that most are good people, it's just so absurd to watch these gangs lurk in the streets and seeing these poor desperate people loot stuff in order to survive when the government is too slow to respond. Together with what Eldar wrote on this subject, I just want to say: Social Democracy; the distance between "poor" and "rich" is a lot shorter, the welfare state has its flaws (such as very high taxes), but there are far more good sides than bad in my biased opinion, however I don't know if such a government type could work in a nation as big as the US. Just how you like it

It's very late here so I'll postpone my response until tomorrow.

Ah, but I didn't. You said that you're larger and more diverse, I say that the USA and Europe are just as big in terms of landmass, and Europe has 700million people in some 48-50 (can't remember) different nations, in which there are vastly different cultures and languages. Now you know. Not even close, I'd still like to know why this 'subclass' even exists in the first place, though. I've only heard bad news here so far, even your National Guard is made out to be utterly incompetent, and the same goes for the Bush Administration. Now now, that would be telling.