Guard Dog
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I read a few of my posts from 8 years ago. It sounds just like something I've posted recently. You have to admit, i am consistent.
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And here is what we all thought about 2012
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While we are picking up the pieces of 2016 I thought it would be entertaining to see how we reacted to 2008. There is some good stuff here. Check out what I wrote in post #12, Did I call that or what!
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Since I was talking about the subject of the liberal media election reactions compare Fareed Zakaria's reaction to that of Krystal Ball (who has the coolest name in all journalism) that I posted on the previous thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-two-sins-that-defined-this-election/2016/11/10/97fdfcf2-a78b-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html The sneering, condescending arrogance of this just turns my stomach. "Trump voters are just a bunch of illiterate hicks who are too stupid to move to the city, get a real job, and start going to art museums. And they are racist. But we need to feel sorry for them." There I just summed his 1300 word article up in just 38 words. That line about people voting against their economic interests is especially galling because he has unabashedly championed the political faction that has driven the companies that employed the people he insults out their country with taxes, regulatory costs and trade deals that incentivize them to move. If you think Trump won because of racism, get over yourself. Trump won because in Barack Obama's America 94,610,000 adults between the age of 18 and 65 are not working. 29% of that demographic ( http://jobenomicsblog.com/tag/bureau-of-labor-statistics/ ). But Obama tells us the unemployment rate is only 4.9%. How can that be? In Barack Obama's America once your unemployment benefits run out you no longer count. You disappear. You become what Orwell call an "un-person". Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are not red states. They are the bluest of blue and Trump won all three no because they suddenly became racist but because the un-persons were sick of being ignored when they were't being mocked.
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And no one is expecting you to support violence or any damage to property during protests. This is never acceptable My point is I'm I am trying to get people to separate the violence from the reasons people are protesting. For example many forum members are dismissive of the actual protests and critical of the protestors and this is due to the violence we are seeing Yet we should be openly supportive of these types protests considering the vituperative nature of the 2016 election ....but we obviously condemn the violence. I hope this makes sense I know why they are protesting. They made it clear why they are protesting. Their candidate lost an election. Do you think for a second it would matter if Clinton lost the popular vote as well as the electoral vote? They would still be protesting because they don't like the outcome. And I'm fine with that. Protest away. It is a free country after all. But keep it peaceful. Because the moment it isn't you are not longer a protester, just a mindless savage.
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OK Bruce, if they are holding signs, signing, shouting, whatever it is but doing it peacefully then I completely understand and sympathize with them. After all, my candidate lost too. They can even burn flags if the want. I don't like it but I'd never tell them not to. But the moment they damage property, drag people out of their cars, endanger bystanders or people just trying to live their lives it's not longer OK. And all of those things have happened. I am NOT going to sympathize or "try to understand how they feel" after that. We live in a civilized society. The first obligation we all have to each other is to not go batsht stupid and try to harm each other because something didn't turn out the way you wanted it to. There is no, I repeat, NO justification for that.
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Now this is interesting: https://www.lp.org/ballot-initiative-revolutionizes-voting-in-maine/ The Huffington Post covered it too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/maine-ranked-choice-voting_us_581e49bee4b0aac62484dfb8 THIS is why Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandies called the States the "Laboratories of Democracy" The more I think about this the more I like it!
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Of course there is always another way to go: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/after_trump_victory_oregonians.html
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You may not have noticed, but violence is all coming from one side. If Clinton won, you don't think you'd have protesters going nuts right now? This was pretty much a no-win situation. Honestly? I seriously doubt it. GD and others my advice is try to see these protests and violence in a different context, this is simply how many people who feel frustrated vent and address institutionalized and societal " unfairness " So in this case many of the protestors have valid but misplaced views of the election results, Hilary won the popular vote yet she lost the election due to systems like the electoral colleagues:) So for many protestors they dont understand the election result as it seems inconsistent with what the majority of US citizens wanted But the election was a legitimate and legal outcome and no amount of protesting is going to change this result or somehow get Congress to redesign the entire US election process to make the popular vote the deciding outcome So we just need to understand and accept these protests are really about people demonstrating there frustration, you will always have degrees of protests and civil unrest Its not the end of the world If that had been the other way around and Trump won the popular vote and Clinton won the election they would not have a problem with it. Neither would anyone who actually supported Trump I might add. Lets call these people what they are. A bunch of overgrown children pitching a fit because they didn't get their way. Violence over an election is not OK. Not here, not anywhere else, not ever. F--k them. You'd feel a lot different if it was your property they were burning or your a-s they were kicking.
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Well it was a good run: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/gun-stocks-take-a-hit-after-election-day.html
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You may not have noticed, but violence is all coming from one side. If Clinton won, you don't think you'd have protesters going nuts right now? This was pretty much a no-win situation. Honestly? I seriously doubt it.
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Yeah he's a little off. 6 points in 14 games. I wonder if time is finally catching him? They choked on another lead tonight. It's becoming a bad habit.
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Still sad though.
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That's a fact. One of the few intelligent postmortem I've read was the one I linked on the last thread. The HUGE majority of them chock the whole thing up to "Obama is black, Clinton is a woman, and everyone who voted for Trump is a sheet wearing racist or an uneducated hick who is too stupid to realize how good things are"
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The truth is it was going on long before them. We are starting to see people who vote different as enemies. And too many people are uptight about things the President couldn't even do if he wanted to. It's a mess. There are a lot of pocket Constitutions around but far too few people take the time to read them. Of course I often say the same about Christians and their bibles.
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Panthers vs Sharks in Florida tonight. The Cats are eating fried shark-fin tonight!
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I think we'd be best served by four healthy and roughly equal political parties vying for the tiller.
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In the words of Gen. James Amos, 35th Commandant of the Marie Corps: A Marine is a Marine. I set that policy two weeks ago - there's no such thing as a former Marine. You're a Marine, just in a different uniform and you're in a different phase of your life. But you'll always be a Marine because you went to Parris Island, San Diego or the hills of Quantico. There's no such thing as a former Marine. Or Maj Kevin Keaney USMC: You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are. Or Gen William Thornson, USA: There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion. or Gen John "Blackjack" Pershing USA: Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines. Or Gen John Vessey USA: We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on? And last but not least Eleanor Roosevelt: The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
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OK, I've been reading a lot of election post-postmortems and this was one of the best ones. Far too many pundits too the easy cop-out of blaming all on racism, sexism, nationalism (whatever -isim you thing it is you are dead wrong). Krystal Ball a former MSNBC host and congressional candidate, and the owner of the coolest name in politics, got it right: Here is the link for the whole piece. It's well written: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 Looking past the national elections at the state level it's even more shocking. 33 of 50 state governors are Republican. 69 of 98 state legislative bodies are under Republican control. In 24 states the Republicans control ALL positions of political power. The Democrat Party is essentially extinct in every state south of Kentucky and east of Texas. Not a single elected Democrat above State Representative or State Senate is in office. This did not happen this election. This has been happening ever since 2010. There are a lot of reasons that can be surmised for this but it cannot be denied that is IS happening. It's no secret I have nothing but antipathy for the Democrats. The are the party of no freedom. They are the party of mandatory compliance, compulsion by force, collectivism and communitarianisim enforced at gunpoint. They are the party of sorting people by class, race, gender, and identity politics. As I said they are the absolute antithesis of freedom. And they are dying out. That is not a good thing however. Two party rule is bad. One party rule is terrifying. I do tend to favor the Republicans more than the Democrats because they are more supportive of individual liberty. But only a little and they will run amok without competition just like the Democrats did in 2008-2010 when they owned everything in sight. We need the Democrat Party to look back at who they once were, the Party of Jacksonian Democracy. The Party of Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Lyndon Johnson began turning away from that. Carter was never interested in it and Clinton only found it when he had no other choice. Barack Obama is so far from a Jacksonian Democrat he might as well be in a whole new political party. And the same could be said for all the party leaders today. Bennie Sanders was NOT showing the Democrats the way forward. Far from it. If they are to survive they need to look backwards to go forwards. Remember what worked, and what the American people needed. I hope that happens as much as I hope for the future success and influence expansion of both the Libertarian and Green parties. We need more voices, more competing visions for our future, not fewer. But from a lot of the articles I'm reading the pundits and the Democrats are going to draw the wrong conclusions and convince themselves the flaws are in their stars rather than themselves. Hubris and denial make a sad combination.
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Just a thought on wasted votes. If the 59 million people who wasted their votes on Hillary Clinton have voted for Gary Johnson he would be the President-Elect right now. Clearly Clinton had no shot of winning so all she did was waste our chance of electing Johnson. Just sayin'
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Hey Shady Sands & Manifested. Happy Birthday my brothers. Semper Fi.
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Might as well jog. It's still faster than I-5 in Orange County on a weekday.
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The lesson here is a 3rd Party candidate cannot make a mistake. Something to remember when picking candidates at the convention. The thing is if it wasn't Johnson it would have been John McAfee. His history is.... checkered to say the least. He's been implicated in murders in Guatemala and Belize, had multiple DUI here in the US, and has a well noted history of employing mercenaries for business interests in South America and Africa. Yes, honest to God mercenaries. But he is the darling of the "Big L" Harry Browne wing of the LP. The other "Little L" candidates were decent and smart folks but with zero name recognition,
