Matt7895

I found it rather annoying, actually - I prefer melee combat over ranged combat because it is more exciting to watch, and easier gameplay. Therefore I never had HK-47 or Mira in my party, and as a result, I could not gain influence with them to reveal their extra conversation options.

The expansion should be distributed via X-Box Live and via Obsidian's website for PC users, free. Hardly anyone would buy it - the game should have come to us complete and unbugged, we all paid for it with our own hard-earned money (unless you are a thief, in which case I will hunt you down )

What most companies do when they make patches is just settle bugs, exploits and other issues....usually only Bioware make extra content too.

Hehe, and I only used Force Crush as a Jedi Guardian/Sith Lord....imagine a Jedi Consular/Sith Lord with lots of WIS.....*shudders* That would be like a one-hit kill on Nihilus!

Thats what I wondered - we know that DS Revan just turned his back on the Sith and left for the Outer Rim, most likely to try to rule the True Sith. So either he himself destroyed the Star Forge or left it behind, in which case Bastila, Carth, Canderous and the two droids would know about it (everyone else was killed). We know none of the party members in KOTOR2 knew about it, they seem dumbfounded still on how Malak and Revan got a fleet.

This is great news, hopefully it'll get rid of the bugs that plague this fine game. I doubt they'll restore the ending, though, but you can always hope.

I know what you mean. By the end of the game I had one hit kills, and just kept force jumping between each enemy, while the other two party members were still trying to kill one guy. The game was very unbalanced in that respect.

It took me about an hour - I just had to keep going through all of the combinations. Probably the most frustrating part of the game.

LucasArts would almost certainly come down on you hard. Best case - your website/mod would be taken away and destroyed. Worst case - You'd be sued.

3/4 of the game was superb. The ending was poor. But as a whole, KOTOR2 is an outstanding game.

I dont think KOTOR2 can ever be compared to Halo 2. Halo 2 is an FPS for all the people who like shooting stuff with a gun. KOTOR2 is an RPG, and is so much more. Personally I liked changing to other characters in the game, with the exception of Mira - trying that part was almost possible, she was so weak she almost died in every fight, and I had to wait ages for her to heal after every one because I kept running out of medpacks.

You may be right - Mira is a Mandalorian, after all.

I was thinking of sending my post to Obsidian, perhaps they would hire me - I can't be much worse than anyone else they have :D

Ah yes I remember now, but didn't Jolee mention her in one of his fabulous stories? Or was that Nomi?

Does anyone else find it extremely irritating when you go to starwars.com to find out the latest SW news, and see the forum stuff which has the most popular topics? Most of these topics are from people who have only seen one, or none, of the SW films, these people who aren't even proper fans, know nothing about SW and come up with the most stupid, foolish comments, and most of them are EU haters, even though the EU is Lucas endorsed, supported by all of his companies, and made CANON by the bearded millionaire himself! And that's not it, they actually think Episodes 1 and 2 are GOOD! All this crap about midichlorians etc, they think its proper Star Wars because Lucas wrote it. Well here's the truth - the original trilogy = classic, and the reason why they were good is because Lucas wrote them not to get money, but primarily to live his dream. The prequels = rubbish, because Lucas made them primarily to get money for himself, spat on the fans and made rubbish storylines - including the young, goody-two-shoes Anakin Skywalker with cringing dialogue, some stupid frog-faced people invading Naboo with their toy droids. Also Eps 1 and 2 were directed by Lucas himself, who clearly has no idea how to show emotion on camera - take the 'sand gets everywhere' scene for example, and compare it to the sheer bliss and superbness of the scene in ESB when Han is put in carbonite, or when Vader dies at the end of ROTJ - when I saw those scenes, I had tears coming out of my eyes, out of real sadness. When I watched that scene in Ep 2, I had tears coming out of my eyes out of frustration and sheer rage. So go to the official forums and make a post about anything EU, and watch them pounce on it like hungry hyenas, tearing your opinions to shreds. Hundreds of people have written such excellent stuff for the EU - in books, comics, video games, and roleplaying games. Compare their writing genius to the poor writing of Episodes 1 and 2 and I think its clear who our winner is.

And trust me, it really does rock. I can't tell you more without giving huge spoilers, but basically, you can use it to defeat your final enemies with ease.

I have to disagree with you there, mate. I loved JA, it was just a pity it was too short. I mean, JA rocks - you get to go to Korriban as it is properly shown in the comics, not KOTOR - you go inside the real tomb of Marka Ragnos!

Lovely! Thanks very much!

Thanks for all your comments, I have read through them all and found them very interesting and informative. And Drakon, I noticed the little Obsidian comment in your sig - well, if only they were...then we could have had a complete game

No, it can't, unless GL wants to go against what he has already said. He has made the EU official - the EU games are made by Lucasarts, his company, and the books are now organised by Lucasbooks, also his company. There is an EU databank at starwars.com and now the books, and most (not all) of the games have been entered into Star Wars canon. An example of the games in Star Wars canon are the Jedi Knight series, KOTOR 1+2. An example of the games NOT in canon are Galactic Battlegrounds, Rebel Assault, etc.

Weren't their corpses at Korriban in KOTOR1?

If you picked Light Side: After speaking with the last Jedi, Kreia telepathically summons you to her quarters - 'It is time I told you everything, exile'. On the way down the Ebon Hawk corridor you are stopped by the Handmaiden/Male guy (forgot his name, will edit when I know). She tells you to be careful, Kreia has been acting more strangely than usual. You can either thank them and take their advice into consideration, tell them you think they are wrong, or rudely reject them. You then walk into Kreia's quarters. She tells you that you must travel to Dantooine so you can get the truth from the Jedi Masters. She also comes clean about her involvement with Revan, tells you what Revan told her before he left for the Unknown Regions (depending on whether he is light/dark). The Hawk lands on Dantooine. Depending on whether you helped the Mercs or not, the leader of Khoonda greets you and tells you Master Vrook has gone off to the Academy Ruins. While talking to the Khoonda leader, Bao-dur and Atton run in, telling you that you can't go into the Academy alone. Your party heads to the Academy only to find the complex completely rebuilt, and the front door open. You enter, and see the insides also refurnished, with the fountain once more gushing clean water, and vines hanging down from the ceiling. You enter the main chamber to find the Jedi Masters, who explain to you that you are a wound in the force, etc etc (basically all of the dialogue from the game). They then try to rob you of the Force, Kreia enters and slaughters them, and stuns you. You wake up and get some new force powers (Dark Side: Force Crush, Force Minion (you destroy your enemy's mind and use him against your enemies), Force Hover (your character is temporarily given the ability to fly by using the Force - this will come into play later) Light Side: Force Enlightenment, Saber Mastery (now you fight like a REAL Jedi). Your FP also increase and you automatically gain a level (your exp you gained before stays the same). As you go to leave the Academy, Bastila enters. Depending on whether Revan turned light/dark, Bastila either tells you how Revan brought her back from darkness, or joined her in it. She then explains what happened when Revan left and tells you, after much consideration, she wants to join you to go and find him. But first you must both travel to Telos to stop the Sith. As you leave the Academy you find Bao-dur and Atton on the floor, almost dead. If you are light side you take them back to the Hawk. If you a Dark, you can finish what Kreia started and suck the Force from them. If you chose to save them, then back on the Hawk once they recover, they realise they are Force Sensitive. The rest of the story runs by KOTOR2's interpretation until you arrive on Malachor V. The Hawk crashes as usual, however this time you see a cutscene of all of the passengers getting out, and then seperated by a rockslide. You are left with Bastila and Atton (Bastila has by now filled the empty party slot that was formerly Kreia's). You head through the canyons that make up Malachor V's surface, having to kill the force beasts that you encounter. However you also see the twisted corpses of Jedi and Mandalorians on your travels, and cutscenes play of the final battle of the Mandalorian War as you remember what happened that day. Kreia sends you a message through your bond, taunting you, spurring you on, as you reach the large clearing where the extra large beast attacks you. You now change to Bao-dur, the Handmaiden/Male guy, and Visas. They managed to survive the crash and subsequent rock slide and are now doing their best to reach you. However they are on a different map to you, and must find an alternative route to Trayus Academy. There is no sign as to whether the three droids survived the crash. Mandalore is lying unconscious on the opposite cliff side. You now change back to the Exile, Bastila and Atton. You go on to reach the Academy and make your way through the first section, choosing either side to go into next. Bao'dur's party reach the Academy moments after you enter, only to be stopped by Darth Nihilus - 'Did you really think you could defeat me so easily? As long as the Force exists, I can never truly die. You know this to be true'. He encompasses the party in a stasis field, and casually cuts down Visas. The other two struggle to resist as Nihilus turns to them. You now change to Mira/the wookiee, who have found Mandalore and given him treatment. They watch as Nihilus kills Visas. Mira would say 'No' or something to that effect, Mandalore would watch silently, and the wookiee would give a bellow of pleasure at seeing the spectacle. The wookiee would then appear to try to kill Mira, but Mandalore kills him. 'I've come to the end of my road, Mira. I never wanted this to happen...not to my companions, the group I have grown to honour and treasure'. Mandalore runs off into the wilderness. Mira goes down to the Academy. Meanwhile the Handmaiden and Bao'dur are fighting for their lives against Nihilus, having broken free of his stasis field. Mira arrives, and the fight truly begins - the fight which you are in control. If you defeat him, you see a cutscene of him being driven into a chasm. Bao'dur then goes off with his remote to activate the computers on the downed ships for the Mass Shadow Generator. If you are beaten, you watch the party being slaughtered. The rest goes forward like KOTOR2 did, Sion dying, etc, until you reach Kreia at Trayus Core. She seems genuinely surprised that Bastila came, 'I did not expect you to come, Jedi Shan. After your experiences with Revan I would have thought you to have left the Force behind, as did so many others'. 'I am a true Jedi, Kreia', Bastila replies, 'And the Force is my ally, as it ever shall be. You detest it - you can never use it to do good. And that is why you must be finished here'. You go into a fight with Kreia. Once you defeat her the first time, no stupid lightsabers appear. Instead, Kreia uses the Force to push your party members back as she leaps onto a ledge to recover. Lightning strikes the red part of the platform, and you see Nihilus slowly but surely climb over the edge, onto the platform, and make his way over to you, restored. 'I took great pleasure in cutting the blinded Jedi down', he mocks. 'It is now your turn.' 'NO!' Kreia screams. 'The Exile is MINE to deal with! I have made sure of it! I will not let you ruin everything I have worked for, Kun!' Yes....Nihilus bursts into cruel laughter, reaches up and removes his mask...to reveal complete blackness behind. His shape is formless. 'Now you understand...why the Force obeys my every whim....why I feed upon it....I AM the Force.' He tosses away his red lightsaber and instead fires out force lightning, frying Atton on the spot and knocking you back. Kreia howls again and dives down, catching Kun unawares and they both tumble over the edge into the core. 'Send the signal now, <Your name>' Bastila shouts. You press a button on a commlink, and Bao'dur picks it up, ordering his remote to blow the generator. Then you see the Hawk flying over to the Iridonian and his droid, picking them both off, before racing off to you and Bastila at the Core. You just about make it out into Space before the planet blows. You now see a cutscene of the tattered remnants of your crew - HK-47 (if you repaired him) and T3 survived, they are the ones who piloted the Hawk to your rescue. G0-T0 has gone missing, so has Mandalore. The others, depending on whether they had survived or not, look tired and beaten up. Mira is tending to your own injuries. Bastila is with you. 'We must find Revan.....something tells me he will know how to heal the rupture in the Force that you inadvertantly created.....and he holds the key to the galaxy's future'. You then ask what happened to Nihilus and Kreia. 'Kreia is no more, of that I am certain. Nihilus is a spirit of his former self. He was eradicated at Malachor V when the Ravager was nearly destroyed, at the end oft he Mandalorian Wars. Like the spirit of Exar Kun, he cannot be destroyed...; You then ask what happens next. 'I am afraid I cannot see what will happen...this is just one of the many mysteries of the Force, something you must find out for yourself. But do not worry....you will find all of the answers soon'. The Hawk flies off towards a mysterious nebula in the Outer Rim....and the credits play. If you chose Dark Side, it is as the above, however at the end, after Kreia falls over the edge with Kun, you can choose whether to slaughter your comrades or bend them to your will. And the final cutscene shows you, alone, in the ****pit of the Ebon Hawk, yellow eyes glowing, and a strange voice echoing....'Exile, I will have my revenge'....

Unfortunately you've just caught on to the general feeling around here. Personally I lament KOTOR2, because it had such beautiful potential - it started off so well, so intruigingly....and ended in such a horrible mess, sending you off solo without explaining what happens to the others, and also not explaining all of the plots properly.

I didn't know level 15 was the level at which I could get it - I played the game through without looking at any spoilers to make it more fun. Plus, at level 15 I think I was in the Sith Academy on Korriban and I couldn't get back to the Ebon Hawk anyway.

Main male / female characters 1) Carth (this guy is one of the best EU characters out there. It was great seeing him back in KOTOR2) 2) Bastila (Simply because I hated Kreia) Jedi 3) Visas (Juhani had an awfully fake Russian accent, plus I slaughtered her anyway in my DS game on Dantooine) 4) Jolee (It was so fun to make fun of him) Others 5) Canderous (makes for better conversation) 6) Zaalbar (nice furry big teddy bear :D ) 7) Mission (she was actually quite funny, especially when I got Zaalbar to kill her at the end :D )