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Samurais vs. Ninjas.

This link is in swedish, but it appears that the judge wasn't exactly acting neutral in the case. To the actual bulletpoints then, the judge happens to be an active member of: - SFU, the Swedish society for upholding the Copyright law. Other prominent members include the Pont

No one claim that they directly faked it, since it was based on interpretations and secondguessing to begin with. Link to the actual 'slamdunk'-quote, please. I actually forgot in what context that one was made.

What's more hideous than blowing up women and children? And once again, what was done was not torture and was not punishment, it was interrogation to obtain information to prevent future attacks and save lives, how convenient that so many of you seem incapable of comprehending that distinction. Edit: Btw, the speculation about Bush and Cheney faking Iraq info is short circuited by the fact that Tenet told Bush that it was a slam-dunk Iraq had WMD's. So the end justifies the means, eh? Thus, you are a subscriber to Consequentialism then. Why didn't you say so in the first place, instead beating around the bush, per say.

if Bethie allows it. it's Bethesda after all! Probably not, Bethesda doesn't want nudity or sexual references while shooting bad guys into a pool of blood or nuking entire cities. They just don't wanna see it. Somebody has to think of the children; nippleslips while committing murder? There has to be some morality and decency, goddammit! Why do you think that? Has Bethie always been so conservative about that stuff? Most likely not them, but there's vocal minority that has nothing better to do than to complain about the moral decay and about nudity. It is simply not cost-effective to try handle the matter in a mature way, considering the budget at hand.

if Bethie allows it. it's Bethesda after all! Probably not, Bethesda doesn't want nudity or sexual references while shooting bad guys into a pool of blood or nuking entire cities. They just don't wanna see it. Somebody has to think of the children; nippleslips while committing murder? There has to be some morality and decency, goddammit!

Nah, i find it more believable that Cheney and Rumsfeld created certain research groups within the pentagon, that handed matters to the CIA on what to be investigated. The results distributed by the CIA was later cherrypicked by the research groups (a lot possibilities, kinda's and so on...) in order to paint a picture of a more dangerous Iraq than it really was. Cheney or Rumsfeld later compiled all this data and presented it to Bush as the moneyshot that Saddam was the big bad guy. Of course Cheney and Rumsfeld later could pressure the head of the CIA if Bush asks "is this accurate?", by saying that they got it from them in the first place. And if everything f*cks up, then just let the head of the CIA to resign. Just an idea, based on working within the governmental sector myself. I am now happily working in the private sector

Who will be the judge on what they deserve? How would you measure by metrics someone else's pain? What about the potential abuse of these methods by future governments? Also, do you even support the Geneva conventions? Read the links provided by taks, they pretty much sealed the deal. What do your first three sentences have to do with anything? And yes, I support those Geneva conventions which the US signed. Those apply only to uniformed soldiers fighting for a country which itself had signed the Geneva conventions. Thus Japanese soldiers were prosecuted because they had no right to do what they did under the Geneva conventions. Moreover, they did a lot more than waterboard, they beat and starve out soldiers, who were legal and legitimate prisoners of war. All the procedures approved by the Justice Department for terrorist interrogations are done to our soldiers as well, as part of their training to prepare them for possible capture and interrogation. The first three sentences are part of the bigger picture at hand. Please ponder upon them again. Am i understanding this correctly? If a combatant lacks a uniform, then he is to be put under torture? That surely doesn't sound reasonable. The japanese soldiers did hideous things upon their POWs, sometimes even more than your everyday terrorists, but they got a trial and got sentenced accordingly, without any use of torture. So why the use of torture for men without uniforms?

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Who will be the judge on what they deserve? How would you measure by metrics someone else's pain? What about the potential abuse of these methods by future governments? Also, do you even support the Geneva conventions? Read the links provided by taks, they pretty much sealed the deal.

not that i want to get into a foodfight, but there's a difference in what wrath is talking about and what the pilot of the enola gay did. taks I was just using his own argument against him in order to show that it wasn't consistent. I'll get get back with a longer response later.

No, the point is that your line of reason is full of holes. Again, please do elaborate a consistent take on when people should be stopped being treated as people and become subject of torture.

You guessed it right. The picture is of Paul Tibbets, the pilot of Enola Gay, which of course bombed Hiroshima.

I draw the line at the scum that intentionally blow up innocent women and children. I take that you are aware that now, and before, people have killed and blown up women and children without repercussion. Sometimes, people even refer to them as warheroes. This man has intentionally blown up women and children. Maybe you need to refine your theory a bit.

Can Presidents like Obama or the Queen of England be prosecuted for breaking Copyright laws? Well, The Queen can pirate all day long with her fellow citizens, and as much as she wants

trust me, according to mkreku, i'm part of the fox crowd. the irony that one of the fox commentators had such harsh words to say about the content in the memos is... well... delicious. taks You got me intruiged. Linky?

Yes, poor little jihadists, if only they got more love as children. Let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Please do elaborate, where do you draw this imaginary line when people are turned into shoggoths with rabies, beyond any form of redemption. Please do it with utmost care and preferbly with a model, or a personal philosophy as you might call it, that you can apply consistantly in everyday life. For example, let's say that you are a warhero and some guy kills your dog and laughs about it. You dispose of him in a most brutal way. Then we have Mustafah in Gaza, whose family has died from the Israeli mortar. He decides that every Israeli is equally guilty of his family's death, joins Hamas out of personal vengeance and kills a random Israeli military guy at a guardpost. Should these people be deemed as Skeletor and throughoutly be waterboarded 100-200 times during interrogation? If so, why? If it is one or the other, please do explain. Finally, is a fair trial and a fair interrogation a right, or a privilige?

no, i don't simply because, contrary to popular opinion, this is probably what's really been going on for a very long time with nearly every country in the world. indeed, the methods employed by the "civilized" countries pale in comparison to those of the third world. i'm curious how people know such methods don't work? the movies? the journos that talk about it on tv? former agents? taks At least there should be a policy by the government that any use of torture should be banned, imo. But sure, i can almost bet that torture in civilized countries was previously conducted, sometimes, by one or two intelligence-agents, in an addonded shack somewhere, with the other guys looking the other way. However, it should be never accepted as a sound interrogation policy, practiced and studied for every joe schmo military-man, with the friendly acceptance of the judicial branch.

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Don't you guys find it interesting that Cheney's response isn't one of guilt? Like torture not being a final and desperat option by stressed men in the military? Instead, he celibrates it as an institutional method for conducting effective interrogations. Most soldiers or people in the intelligence know that torture is wrong even if it may happen that they are conducting it themselves, as they are aware that this causes severe physical and mental pain upon infliction. They don't boast about it, and they sure aren't proud of it, but they do it because of orders and of stress. Cheney however, is viewing it from a completely different perspective. It's like he is completely devoid of any understanding that torture is inheritly wrong to begin with, and this is the same guy that was co-voted into office on a platform that represented "strong, moral values". Incredible.

Exactly.

If they(The Pirate Party) manage to get a delegate to European Parliament in the upcoming election....well, one can atleast admit that it would be a bit of a lulz-moment.

That's just a breather, a similarly difficult fight awaits at the entrance of the Grand Staff.

Pretty much, people are still waiting for Slayer to produce another "Reign in Blood", or Ridley Scott making another incredible Sci-Fi movie. No one wants another Fallout to be like 'Jason X' was to the other "Friday the 13th"-movies. Sh*t, man, there are people still longing for another empire like [insert random historic empire] to this day.