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Items in stores: when you first talk to the shopkeeper. Other itemas: when you first enter the area (map).

Even as a LS character I was tempted to cut Visas in a half at the first meeting. Delusional and too emotive. She reminds me of most women I've met. Hence the homicidal instincts. <_<

Or simply that Obisidian cheated with the attributes of you foes Kreia has 60 of wisdom in the final Battle. O_o

I rember that Kreia, when she was speaking about her past as jedi, said something like: "You cannot find all the answer you seek into the jedi code. You've to search for them elsewhere". So the feeling was mutual. She betrayed the order as much as the order left her because it couldn't provide an adegaute answer. Something similar to what happened to Jolee and, even if the outcome was different, in the end both characters feel like they were betrayed by the Jedi.

It surely seems possible; Kae did betray the jedi teachings by falling in love. There are also many hints about "something bigger" in Kreia's past which unfortunately isn't revealed. Some more "unfinished businness stuff" ? Honestly, even before this thread, I had suspected that Kreia might have been Brianna's mother. I'm surprised to see that other people came to the same conclusions.

He has outbursts of senile dementia. Plain and simple And he's also probably the reason why "the council" decide to strip the exile of his powers. The other two remaining masters looked decent enough to me. But probably they were under Vrook influence.

I'm at difficulty picking up names for my characters. Using my own name I would feel stupid so I resort to type some random keystrokes; it's actually quite funny to see the resulting dialogues, ie : "Hello ldfkvpp, how are you ?"

Kreia is good at manipulating, turning people against each other, casting doubts and suspects but (even with boosted stats) makes a poor endgame boss. Imagine "Return of the jedi" where Luke fights a duel against the emperor instead of Vader O_o. Atris had all the potential to be an awesome end game boss: she had feelings for the exile, she felt betrayed in the first place by his/her decision to join Revan, she has become bitter, arrogant and vengeful. It's quite evident during the first meeting with her. The fact that the same dialogues lines exists both for Atris and Kreia make me think that the end boss was picked up upon certain game conditions, probably the main character sex or his/her alignment

I prefer the Handmaiden both as character and as melee fighter. No, I don't say this because of her black lingerie underwear: as a matter of fact I always had her wear the white robes she had at the Telos academy. Anyway, give her the "frenzy" feat combined with lightsaber finesse and boost her dexterity to 20-22; this, combined with a double bladed lightsaber, turns her into the most deadly melee character.

Yuthura Ban. Great character. If you turned her away from the Dark Side (persuasion 15 or greater, a few dialogues and plot choices) you had a chance to see her at the academy (if you didn't leave Korriban as alst planet). It seems that originally she would have had a greater role as party member: I don't know if they dropped her in favour of the cat(har)-woman (God how I hated her, her voice, her wimpy character!) or if she was meant as a replacement once Bastila leaves with Malak

In the original "cut ending stuff" thread it's mentioned that some of the final dialogue lines appears both for Kreia and Atris. The belief that Atris might have been a final boss (for males only probably?) is reinforced by the fact that Kreia and Atris are somehow connected (When Kreia mutters "betrayal" referring to the handmaiden becoming a jedi, Atris can listen to her voice from the other side of the galaxy) and from the dialogue between the two at the Telos academy.

Kreia is a better Dark Side character than any other pathetic, sadistic Sith Lord because the essence of Dark side IS selfishness. In a certain way she tries to turn the exile into a sort of Nietzschean ubermensh: assume the role of a leader, consider the universe and its population only as opportunities waiting to be exploited, there's no good or evil but only the personal will. (will zur machen) This is hardly a surprise considering that in the original SW, imperials do resemble nazis and their ideals, which were a distorted view of Nietzsche doctrine and of other classical authors. It was later games and books of the EU which oversemplified the whole Dark Side vs Light Side concept as a Good Vs Evil clich

Warhero bonus is a feat, but the character still advances (and has the stats) of a LVL1 character which is a nonsense And there are quite a few dark spots in the immediate history before the Ebon Hawk reached Peragus mining colony. Who was aboard the Hawk when it made contact with the republic dreadnought ? One of the holovids said it was drifitng abandoned, but from another it seems that it was the ship where Sion and his assault troopers came. Where was Kreia and how she ended on the Ebon Hawk ? And more: I was under the impression that HK50 was working for GoTo. If so, how the Siths aboard the republic dreadnought obtained the asteroid drift chart if it wasn't HK50 that transmitted it along with the information that the Exile was alive and kept on the station ?

I found strange that the Exile starts with LVL1 despite being a war hero and, although not a jedi anymore, he should have had quite a lot of knowledge both as soldier and as adventurer, having spent the last 10 years travelling across the galaxy. Imho he should have started like a LVL 5+ soldier/scoundrel/scout and only after escaping Peragus begin to advance as a jedi.

If this forum will be closed, I'll still hang at Holowan and other Lucas forums voicing my disappointment. Closing or (even worse) deleting threads without an explanation seems quite rude to me.

Yep, I realized only now ._.

manitsbuggy: where did you get that reply ? O_o

Hmm it looks like some good material for this thread: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ic=29764&st=660

WIth a difference: Vader had a complete armor which was probably blaster resistant. One more reason to hate the fact that in Kotor you cannot use many force powers while wearing an armor. Whoever adapted the d20 system from D&D to the SW settings forgot that sci-fi =! fantasy

Is there any reason to trust online reviews / awards /etc. ?Onlines gaming sites depends on advertising, thus on software publishers. Not to mention that to write a review in time for the release you'll need to receive your copy at least a week before the release date, which means you have to ask the software publisher to let you review his products. While nobody from the biz wil admit this, most marketing dept's put some kind of pressure on the journalists to "encourage" them to write positive reviews. How ? By providing some exclusive footage or allowing the jorunalists to test future products early in the developmente (it's a well known fact that exlcusive content increases the hit-rate of a site which, in turns, brings more money from the ads). And if your site is not "cooperative" enough (ie you give bad reviews) you'll may even end up not having reveiw-material anymore. NVidia was rumored to apply this strong-arming technique during the GeForceFX fiasco. I've worked both in software and hardware stores when I was a student. I've learnt an important lesson: don't recommend anything. Even if your intentions are good, you'll always find the troublesome custumer who is ready to blame you for his ineptitude, his misfortune or his dissatisfaction. As for the software being returned, I think the economical damage done to the software publishers is minimal. But it's a damage for the store which has to pay a partial refund while the publisher won't take back the rejected copies unless they are defective. If you're lucky enough you can hope to resell them at moderate price on the second hand market (but most of the sales are usually concentrated in the first week when people buy the games at full price); if not you'll end up with a big dusty pile of useless CDs

Extensive use of the force drains the body of its vitality. In the Eu there are at least a couple of cases of "good" jedi who died from exaustion after having used their powers too much. Even Emperor Palpatine's decay is probably because of his extensive use of the force rather than a mere conseguence of the dark side.

Glad to find someone that thinks like me. Most people don't get past the hate/anger clich

Odd that Canderous, at the end of the first Kotor, seems tired of the ways of Mandolorian and he thinks about changing his lifestyle, too. He's even less aligned to the DS in the first Kotor

I believe that room in Nar Shaddaa is where the bounty hunters are holding their meeting during the cutscene the first time the Ebon Hawk reaches the smugglers' moon. It's part of the level but, for obvious reasons, unaccessible.

Master Vrook was an ass even in the first Kotor. He didn't agree on teaching Revan how to use the force after he lost his/her memory. The more I know these jedis and their ways the more I want to extinguish all the force users from the galaxy. I think Kreia had a point.