Recovery Time Problem

[Helar]

Hi. I need some help to resolve recovery time "problem".

I have noticed some strange things.

1) Pistol Modal:

2.6s recovery speed w/o it, 1.7s with it. That's 1s difference, but in both time there was ~3.5s between chat messages about hits. 

 

2) Next i used Scordeo's Trophy(-15% stacking recovery time buff)

Recovery time became 1s. Time between chat messages still ~3.5s.

 

It seems, that around 2.5s recovery time i somekind of cap for ranged weapons.

 

P.S. Melee weapons working fine

Edited May 12, 2018 by Helar

[Hybridsalmon]

Doesn't the reload increase the time too?

[Helar]

Oh, my bad, ranged weapons doesnt have recovery, they have reload.

But it doesnt solve problem. 

First i think it was tooltip bug, Reload time been affected by Recovery time buffs, but then i just tested little more.

1 pistol w/o modal: 0.8s+3.8s, time between attacks - ~4.4+- my reaction, so it's kk. 

1 pistol w modal: 0.8s+2.1s, time between attacks - ~3.6+- my reaction, it's not kk.

[Takkik]

You forget that pistol have an attack speed too. So you have reload+attack between each 'hit'.

[Helar]

Tested on Dragon's Dowry + Blazing Fury. Works as intended, get ~3s time between attacks.

But with pistols...kinda hoped for crazy desperado with 1.5s between attacks...meh

[Zzz]

You forget that pistol have an attack speed too. So you have reload+attack between each 'hit'.

0.6 sec to shoot, 1.8 sec to reload = 2.5 sec

I make video for myself -  shoot  between 2 and 3 sec, than reload, and next shoot come betwen 6 and 7 sec.

So your opinion wrong.

Edited May 12, 2018 by Zzz

[EmilAmundsen]

@Helar nice catch.

 

I tested myself for the following results:

1. fireing 2 pre-loaded pistols in the initial attack works as stated, roughly ~1 sec apart.

2. fireing 2 pistols with modal (~2,5 sec attack and reload) yield ~3,6 sec between attacks

3. fireing a pistol with modal (~2,8 sec attack and reload) yield ~3,6 sec between attacks

 

I'm gonna check if this bug has been reported. If not I'll post a bug-report and link it here.

This sucks. It means my gunslinger is not viable until it's patched. :~(

Edited May 12, 2018 by EmilAmundsen

[Zzz]

Y, i disappointed too.

My streetfighter/monk, who can reach 1.8 sec reload after first shoot, just useless.

[EmilAmundsen]

Posted bug-report at https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/98617-attack-frequency-on-guns-capped-at-36-sec/

 

Feel free to add your tests, files and comments.

[Helar]

Y, i disappointed too.

My streetfighter/monk, who can reach 1.8 sec reload after first shoot, just useless.

 

Yeah, since at possible to reach 1s reload + 0.8s attack.

 

Thankfully it's just pistols bug

[Zzz]

Yeah, since at possible to reach 1s reload + 0.8s attack.

 

Thankfully it's just pistols bug

 

Blunderbuss affected too.

[EmilAmundsen]

I've made a thread for gathering test-results for attack-speeds under 3,6 secs:

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/98628-a-call-to-testing-actual-attack-frequency-caps/

 

Maybe we can catalogue what attacks are affected. Would be nice to know for my next build.

[Climhazzard]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but don't use stealth when you're checking, it drastically reduces reload time.  Makes ambushing with guns kinda nice.  

 

Also, I've noticed **** get buggy sometimes and it'll always go back to normal if I reboot the game, so if you're noticing issues try that too.

Edited May 12, 2018 by Climhazzard

[EmilAmundsen]

Also, I've noticed **** get buggy sometimes and it'll always go back to normal if I reboot the game, so if you're noticing issues try that too.

 

This bug is consistantly reproducable. Rebooting doesen't fix it.

[dudex]

i noticed this too. i was excited also when i saw the unique pistol had a stacking -15% recovery enchantment available then become sad when it made little difference.

[dunehunter]

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

[basilkingcalcifer]

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

What’s your build?

 

I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear

[dunehunter]

 

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

What’s your build?

 

I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear

I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal

[Helar]

 

 

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

What’s your build?

 

I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear

I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal

 

 

 

 

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

What’s your build?

 

I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear

I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal

 

You can get 1s reload...but it doesnt work sadly

[basilkingcalcifer]

 

 

Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/

What’s your build?

 

I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear

I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal

 

 

Gotcha, however wasn't the damage lowered?  Currently in its state from what I've seen, it seems black jacket is definitely the way to go to maximize burst and dps.  I'm looking at a Black Jacket / Streetfighter build using Arq to open, switching to pistols and maybe a blunderbuss set in there, depending on if im unable to shake aggro