Helar Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) Hi. I need some help to resolve recovery time "problem". I have noticed some strange things. 1) Pistol Modal: 2.6s recovery speed w/o it, 1.7s with it. That's 1s difference, but in both time there was ~3.5s between chat messages about hits. 2) Next i used Scordeo's Trophy(-15% stacking recovery time buff) Recovery time became 1s. Time between chat messages still ~3.5s. It seems, that around 2.5s recovery time i somekind of cap for ranged weapons. P.S. Melee weapons working fine Edited May 12, 2018 by Helar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridsalmon Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Doesn't the reload increase the time too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helar Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Oh, my bad, ranged weapons doesnt have recovery, they have reload. But it doesnt solve problem. First i think it was tooltip bug, Reload time been affected by Recovery time buffs, but then i just tested little more. 1 pistol w/o modal: 0.8s+3.8s, time between attacks - ~4.4+- my reaction, so it's kk. 1 pistol w modal: 0.8s+2.1s, time between attacks - ~3.6+- my reaction, it's not kk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takkik Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 You forget that pistol have an attack speed too. So you have reload+attack between each 'hit'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helar Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Tested on Dragon's Dowry + Blazing Fury. Works as intended, get ~3s time between attacks. But with pistols...kinda hoped for crazy desperado with 1.5s between attacks...meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzz Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) You forget that pistol have an attack speed too. So you have reload+attack between each 'hit'. 0.6 sec to shoot, 1.8 sec to reload = 2.5 sec I make video for myself - shoot between 2 and 3 sec, than reload, and next shoot come betwen 6 and 7 sec. So your opinion wrong. Edited May 12, 2018 by Zzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilAmundsen Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) @Helar nice catch. I tested myself for the following results: 1. fireing 2 pre-loaded pistols in the initial attack works as stated, roughly ~1 sec apart. 2. fireing 2 pistols with modal (~2,5 sec attack and reload) yield ~3,6 sec between attacks 3. fireing a pistol with modal (~2,8 sec attack and reload) yield ~3,6 sec between attacks I'm gonna check if this bug has been reported. If not I'll post a bug-report and link it here.This sucks. It means my gunslinger is not viable until it's patched. :~( Edited May 12, 2018 by EmilAmundsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzz Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Y, i disappointed too. My streetfighter/monk, who can reach 1.8 sec reload after first shoot, just useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilAmundsen Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Posted bug-report at https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/98617-attack-frequency-on-guns-capped-at-36-sec/ Feel free to add your tests, files and comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helar Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Y, i disappointed too. My streetfighter/monk, who can reach 1.8 sec reload after first shoot, just useless. Yeah, since at possible to reach 1s reload + 0.8s attack. Thankfully it's just pistols bug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzz Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Yeah, since at possible to reach 1s reload + 0.8s attack. Thankfully it's just pistols bug Blunderbuss affected too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilAmundsen Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 I've made a thread for gathering test-results for attack-speeds under 3,6 secs: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/98628-a-call-to-testing-actual-attack-frequency-caps/ Maybe we can catalogue what attacks are affected. Would be nice to know for my next build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Climhazzard Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) Not sure if it's been mentioned, but don't use stealth when you're checking, it drastically reduces reload time. Makes ambushing with guns kinda nice. Also, I've noticed **** get buggy sometimes and it'll always go back to normal if I reboot the game, so if you're noticing issues try that too. Edited May 12, 2018 by Climhazzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilAmundsen Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Also, I've noticed **** get buggy sometimes and it'll always go back to normal if I reboot the game, so if you're noticing issues try that too. This bug is consistantly reproducable. Rebooting doesen't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudex Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 i noticed this too. i was excited also when i saw the unique pistol had a stacking -15% recovery enchantment available then become sad when it made little difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilkingcalcifer Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/ What’s your build? I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunehunter Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/What’s your build? I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helar Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/What’s your build? I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/What’s your build? I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal You can get 1s reload...but it doesnt work sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilkingcalcifer Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Gun reload time feels soooo fast that there’s not any point to do a blackjack swap gun build any more :/What’s your build? I’m still a bit away from playing but was planning a gun black jack build, so this is surprising to hear I mean comparing with PoE 1 reload time they are too fast, u get like 2 sec reload time when dual wielding pistol + modal Gotcha, however wasn't the damage lowered? Currently in its state from what I've seen, it seems black jacket is definitely the way to go to maximize burst and dps. I'm looking at a Black Jacket / Streetfighter build using Arq to open, switching to pistols and maybe a blunderbuss set in there, depending on if im unable to shake aggro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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