Star Wars: The Last SJW

[Valsuelm]

[Hurlshort]

[Valsuelm]

 

[Hurlshort]

I do hope the Net Neutrality change doesn't take away all these great platforms for people to whine about stuff. How much of that guy's life did he spend on that video? I gave him about 90 seconds, so hopefully that made it worth it.

Edited December 17, 2017 by Hurlshot

[Malcador]

Web 2.0 was such a bad idea.

[Ben No.3]

Just to clear things up: the guy who made that video, Black Pigeon Speaks? He also thinks women and woman’s rights INCLUDING their right to work, vote and choose a husband, are the reason for the downfall of civilisation.

But don’t take my word for it... just listen yourself

 

https://youtu.be/UxpVwBzFAkw

 

Edited December 17, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Valsuelm]

I do hope the Net Neutrality change doesn't take away all these great platforms for people to whine about stuff. How much of that guy's life did he spend on that video? I gave him about 90 seconds, so hopefully that made it worth it.

 

Alas. Good satire is lost on you, and a well produced documentary about how a once great satirical show became something else is lost on you as well.

 

Like the Simpsons or not, yesteryear or ever, that's a good documentary as it examines things beyond the Simpsons.

 

Appreciating satire requires an attention span longer than 90 seconds. What you spend your time watching is your prerogative of course. However, why you so often waste your time, mine, and others commenting on things you have not watched or thought through is beyond me.

[Hurlshort]

 

Appreciating satire requires an attention span longer than 90 seconds. What you spend your time watching is your prerogative of course. However, why you so often waste your time, mine, and others commenting on things you have not watched or thought through is beyond me.

 

 

Ah yes, the valuable time lecture here on an obscure video game developer's forum. Is that satire?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Just to clear things up: the guy who made that video, Black Pigeon Speaks? He also thinks women and woman’s rights INCLUDING their right to work, vote and choose a husband, are the reason for the downfall of civilisation.

But don’t take my word for it... just listen yourself

https://youtu.be/UxpVwBzFAkw

https://youtu.be/kOMkl3ApTK0

He also does travel videos for sex tourists looking for asian love.

[Valsuelm]

He also does travel videos for sex tourists looking for asian love.

 

 

Source?

Edited December 18, 2017 by Valsuelm

[Hurlshort]

I trust KP implicitly on such matters.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Hurlshot

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

He also does travel videos for sex tourists looking for asian love.

 

 

Source?

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVShinjuku

It's in one of Mr. Lace's videos on this channel.

[Keyrock]

 

Just to clear things up: the guy who made that video, Black Pigeon Speaks? He also thinks women and woman’s rights INCLUDING their right to work, vote and choose a husband, are the reason for the downfall of civilisation.

But don’t take my word for it... just listen yourself

-snip-

He also does travel videos for sex tourists looking for asian love.

 

Assuming all parties are willing, that sounds like a noble service. 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Keyrock

[Darkpriest]

Funny video, however there is a point in this, that our civilization is in decline and will be overrun. (feminism however is not the cause, it's one of many symptoms where people grow soft and lazy)

 

Not sure why people would think that suddenly the current state of the world will be given for millenia. Every big empire/culture eventually collapsed under "barbarians" and inferior cultures, because those were more driven and ruthless. Same will be with ours.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Darkpriest

[Ben No.3]

Yup, history moves. And we can either move with it and embrace the future, or we can try to save what is already lost. Why should the decline of “our” civilisation be a bad thing? Something new will arise, and it will arise from us. It’s quite beautiful, no?

 

 

About that second paragraph: The First and the Second World War were highly advanced cultures bashing each other’s heads. Generally, great powers at war have far greater destructive capabilities; so I’m not entirely sure what you are talking about?

Edited December 19, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Hurlshort]

I'm just not sure which driven and ruthless barbarians are in position to take over. The SJW's?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I'm just not sure which driven and ruthless barbarians are in position to take over. The SJW's?

Antifa Super-Soldiers.

[Malcador]

I'm just not sure which driven and ruthless barbarians are in position to take over. The SJW's?

I assume it's Muslims.

[smjjames]

 

I'm just not sure which driven and ruthless barbarians are in position to take over. The SJW's?

I assume it's Muslims.

 

 

Historically? It depends on which end of the spear you're on really.

[HoonDing]

Europe is finished.

[smjjames]

Also, just because a culture called barbatian doesn't mean that they are 'inferior'. Sure, the Romans saw the Germanic peoples as just another inferior people to conquer, but they were just as inferior a culture as the Romans, meaning, there is no culture that is superior to another.

 

Like I said, historically, the term barbarian was applied depending on who was on which end of the spear (and wrote the history).

[Heijoushin]

Hey guys. I saw the Last Jedi today. I need to rant. I don't even care about the SJW diversity stuff. It was just such a badly written disjointed story that I was shocked.  

 

How did the writer pitch the story? Was it something like:

“So, we’ll have them run away from a Star Destroyer for 18 hours until they run out of fuel. Meanwhile, Finn & Rose will go find a hacker (does a group called “the rebellion” not have any hackers of their own?) They’ll go to a Casino Royale planet to find a Master Hacker. They won’t contact him ahead of time. No, they’ll just show up randomly and try to identify him by his red pocket square. By extreme co-incidence, Rose also grew up on Casino Royale, where she… raced funny looking animals for weapons testing?”… and it just goes on like that! One silly objective after another to keep them running around and visiting exotic places. While heavy handedly throwing in old Star Wars themes like “the money-loving mercenary”.

All they needed was a cool Jedi training montage with Luke showing Rey some cool fighting techniques and it would have been a hit! But instead of a wise Jedi Master, Luke comes off as a complete moron. He creepily stands over his students while they’re asleep, senses the darkness in them, and contemplates killing them. Then when they react badly to this, he gets all emo and wants to end the Jedi Order. (Oh, but don’t worry, those Holy Jedi books weren’t exactly pages turners… hahaha... Did I mention how many unfunny jokes there were in the film?)

 

I just… I just… want my 3 hours back *breaks down sobbing*

Edited December 30, 2017 by Heijoushin

[Raithe]

I did see a somewhat amusing SW anecdote.

 

Apparently one of the lead set engineers was putting the finishing touches to the Millenium Falcon at Pinewood for Force Awakens and ran into Harrison Ford at some nearby shops. So, given the situation he went up and did a "Excuse me Mr Ford? I'm so and so and happen to be building the Millenium Falcon."

Ford turned, looked at him.. then just said "Toggle Switches."

The guy blinked and was all "uhh?"

Ford nodded and did a "When they built it the first time, they did it cheap. None of the toggle switches had springs in. They didn't have the budget for new ones. You'd have a scene, toggle a switch, and as you said your lines, the toggle switches would drop back into the old position as you were stood in front of them."

So the set engineer blinked again and just said "Well. I think we have the budget now."

[Raithe]

Heh.

 

BitterGertrude - This is not going to go the way you think: the last jedi is as subversive af

 

 

“This is not going to go the way you think.” — Luke Skywalker

Star Wars has always had its finger on the pulse of the cultural fear of the moment. In the original trilogy in the 1970s and early 80s, it was The Man– an evil establishment that needed to be purified by a younger generation. In the prequels of the 90s, it was evil corporations secretly colluding with a corrupt government to create endless war.

 

Now, in early 21st century America, the villain is an unstable young white man who had every privilege in life, yet feels like the world has wronged him. Unbeknownst to his family, he finds and communicates with a faraway mentor who radicalizes him with a horrific, authoritarian ideology. By the time his family finds out, it’s too late, and now this unstable young white man has this horrific ideology, access to far too many weapons, and the desperate desire to demolish anything that he perceives as a threat– or is told to perceive as a threat.

 

Star Wars has always pushed at the boundaries of its culture. Princess Leia was mainstream filmmaking’s first self-rescuing princess, and the films were unstinting in depicting her importance to the military strategy of the Rebellion, reflecting an incipient 70s feminism. The prequels were clear that we were all complicit in a corrupt system whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, symbolized by noble Jedi finding themselves leading an army of slave clones that were purchased from part of a massive military industrial complex. For all the films’ faults– and they are legion– this was a stunning accusation, and played to the 90s’ growing concerns of big business’ influence on government.

 

The new films are again at the vanguard of cultural concerns, but push harder and more subversively than any of the previous films. Above all else, The Last Jedi is about smashing patriarchal white supremacy– smashing it to the ground and starting over– and I am here for it.

 

While the earlier films were about the need to purify corrupt systems, the new ones are about smashing everything and starting over.

At every turn, the new films are about “letting the past die.” At its most broad and obvious, this means killing off the older generation and handing the narrative to the new. The Force Awakens killed off Han, which was no surprise as Harrison Ford had been badgering them to kill off Han Solo since Empire. Then The Last Jedi turned a hard corner by killing off Luke when everyone expected to lose Leia due to the loss of the great Carrie Fisher. Luke sacrifices himself in one last spectacular moment of force-wielding brilliance in order to save Leia and the Rebellion. This kind of sacrifice is something we’re used to seeing from extraordinary female characters (see every extraordinary woman from Charlotte in Charlotte’s Web to Eleven in Stranger Things). In TLJ, the central white male hero of the original films dies to save an exceptionally diverse, gender-balanced group of people who are, as Poe says, the “spark that will light the fire that will destroy the First Order.” Not “save the galaxy”; not “save the Republic.” This is not about saving something from corruption. It’s about ending the old order and creating something completely new.

 

As the older generation dies, the older way of doing things dies as well. Luke can’t bring himself to burn down the tree containing the sacred Jedi texts, so Yoda force ghosts in and does it for him, cackling, telling Luke that Rey already has “everything she needs,” then dropping this bit of heartaching profundity: “We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.” Anyone who has ever been a teacher or a parent understands this most painful and exhilarating of truths, but Yoda says it as the foundational texts of the Jedi order burn (as far as Luke or the audience know at that point). “We are what they grow beyond.” Not just us, but our old ways. Specifically, the old ways of hierarchical privilege.

 

Luke believes the Jedi order needs to die for this very reason. “The Jedi don’t own the force,” Luke says. The force is in everyone. Leia reflects this as well. “Why are you looking at me? Follow him,” she says, handing leadership to a random pilot who came from nowhere to become central to the Resistance. And although I am the first person to sign up for Team Leia– she was more than worthy of every inch of her power in the Rebellion– the door opened for her because she was part of the royal family of Alderaan. Her mother was the Queen of Naboo. Poe Dameron’s mother was a Rebel pilot. As the Rebels follow Poe, waiting for them on the other side is Rey, whose parentage was the subject of feverish speculation. Certainly she must be someone— she must come from some kind of peerage, pedigree, or privilege to be so special. But she is nobody from nowhere, daughter of unsavory junk traders who sold her for booze and died on Jakku. The force belongs to everyone, not just the pedigreed. 

 

Privilege is handily dismantled wherever we try to create it. Rose Tico is awed by meeting Finn, now a hero of the Resistance, only to have her hero worship dashed when she realizes Finn is trying to escape. Finn comes from nowhere– one of many nameless troopers stolen as small children. Rose, as well, comes from nowhere– daughter of miners who now works as a tech for the Resistance. Some have criticized the Finn/Rose subplot, but thematically, the meaning is critical– these young Rebels are the new generation who will build the new society on the ashes of the old. They’re played by actors of color. Rose is respected by Finn for her expertise and quick thinking as a matter of course, not as a reveal (“Oh look! The pretty girl is actually smart!” or “That competent person took off their helmet and HOLY CRAP IT’S FEMALE”). When she falls for Finn, it’s not the usual trope of Hero Wins Sexy Woman, and was therefore criticized for being “shoehorned in.” Rose wasn’t wearing a low-cut top; we never saw Finn ogling her; we never saw the camera linger over her ass. We were never given the signals “SEE HER AS A SEX OBJECT,” so her love for Finn is “shoehorned in.” But this is the stirrings of the new society. Any idiot can ogle a woman’s ass, but the man who automatically respects a woman’s expertise is well worth falling for. While Leia and Poe are trying to save the Resistance on one front, Finn and Rose represent what they’re trying to save.

 

The Resistance is impressive in its casual diversity. Women and people of color are valued for their expertise as a matter of course; nowhere does the film congratulate itself on its diversity by making a huge point of highlighting it, demonstrating white male benevolence by the generous inclusion of women and people of color, positing a white male audience nodding along, agreeing that we are so wonderful for allowing our White Male World to donate a very small corner for the Less Fortunate. The Resistance is naturally diverse, and no one even seems to notice. That is masterfully subversive.

 

It’s not enough to destroy the old order from without. The Last Jedi demands that we examine our own complicity in the corruption of the old ways. Poe’s belief that all problems can be solved by shooting something down is shown as dangerous when unchecked; it’s the same toxic masculinity wielded by Kylo Ren, and a mainstay of war culture. The film indicts war culture and toxic masculinity throughout. Leia slaps and demotes Poe for sacrificing lives to bring down a dreadnought instead of escaping as ordered (“dead heroes. And no leaders”). Later, after his failed mutiny, she tells him that Holdo was more interested in “saving the light rather than looking like a hero.” But nowhere is the struggle against our own complicity with war culture more prominent than when Benicio Del Toro’s amoral DJ reveals to Finn and Rose that the “worst people in the galaxy”– the wealthy arms dealers who congregate at the Canto Bight casino– make their money selling weapons to both the First Order and the Resistance. 

 

The Last Jedi has a clear message: The nearly all-white, overwhemingly male, privilege-based way of thinking that celebrates war culture and toxic masculinity and that created the First Order has to go, both in the larger world and as it’s internalized in our hearts and minds, and in its place will be something entirely new, created by diverse young people who are walking away from war culture, walking away from toxic masculinity, walking away from systems of privilege. What new society will they create? We don’t know. But we do know that old ways of thinking have failed us in every possible way. The wisest of the older generation, like Luke, have known this for a long time. The selfish, small-minded, hateful, and power-hungry in the older generation will continue to hunt and seduce the next generation, but the light still stands. No matter how much power they accrue, no matter how many angry young white men they convince we are the enemy, the light still stands. The future is brown, and female, and brilliant, and fierce, does not give even one single **** about the way things used to be.

 

Those who wanted a safe and comforting Star Wars movie are understandably upset. The Last Jedi is anything but safe. It’s as subversive as it gets, and I am here for it.

[Heijoushin]

Look, the fact is, no matter how beautiful your message is, bad storytelling makes a bad movie. I don't care if they wanted to make the heroes people of color or the bad guy an angry white boy. All I wanted was a good, logical plot. And they couldn't deliver on that. It's clear that JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson had very different ideas, making the story disjointed. Too many cooks spoil the broth and all that.