smjjames Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Sheesh, this guys cant do a single thing right. smh. Yeah, and the whole thing with what happened to the four soldiers in Niger is fast becoming Trump's Benghazi, possibly worse, and his handling of it isn't helping, nor is his inability to admit that he screwed up.
redneckdevil Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) So is the Dem governor lying about Trump's phone call to the widow or telling the truth? Also what should be done if found lying?The congresswoman, you mean. And she is believing the family so if there's any lying it doesn't fall at her feet. Though what should happen even if it did? Guess she can be sued and face other non legal fallout.Thanks for correcting me.Only thing is is that the representative is saying she overheard the call herself over speaker phone. Also as to why the mother would lie (if she is as I would like to give the mother the benefit of the doubt and cast this at the representative feet instead) is that someone important just died, so of course emotions are running high and construing/etc what was said for retaliation/prevention of what happened because ur govt (Democrats) asks u to and says they have ur back. Both parties have done similar things in the past with grieving partners/parents. Plus it is his fault so why not jab at him if it helps get him outta office? It was a phone call so all they have to do is look at the phone records for what was said. But the representative can be sued and lose her position if found she fabricated it? Edited October 19, 2017 by redneckdevil
smjjames Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) It was a phone call so all they have to do is look at the phone records for what was said. Only problem is, there IS no recording of what was said and if the WH has something, they aren't giving it up. I agree that the obvious solution is to look at the phone recording (or transcript or whatever), but as far as we know and has been said, there isn't one. Edited October 19, 2017 by smjjames
redneckdevil Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Is it because they can't just release it due to privacy issues unless courts are involved? This is the President, all his phone calls are monitored. As much as I dislike Trump, this smells of BS of what he's being accused of saying.
smjjames Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) I know the calls are monitored when talking to foriegn heads of state/government, but I don't know about instances like this. There were several people in the room, but they sided with Trump and didn't say anything about the specific words. It's certainly possible that he got misunderstood, easily possible with someone as inexperienced as Trump, but there isn't anything physically or legally stopping him from clarifying his words and correcting the record. Instead, he just goes "WRONG!" and battens down the hatches. Clarifying what he said is so ridiculously easy that I don't know why he can't. Oh wait, I know why, he is incapable of admitting he screwed up, yep. Edited October 19, 2017 by smjjames
redneckdevil Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 He is incapable of admitting he's wrong. Also in same light, anything he says will be dissected and/or twisted in a bad light. I'm tired of this Petty childish dickish moves both parties have been pulling for years now. Sadly u can't take anything that's said from either side at face value anymore. We need a miracle and get a "Roosevelt" in office and not say a damn thing and just use a big ass stick to start whupping these politicians asses til they learn (because alot of them have been in office not even knowing how or never seen it happen) they supposed to work TOGETHER for the betterment of us, the people.
smjjames Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) And all of this, this specific fight anyway, would be solved by some tapes (or other form of record) of that phone call, right? Nevermind the implications that the existence of tapes might bring up. Edited October 19, 2017 by smjjames 1
Katphood Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 World War 3 reminds me of Half-Life 3...it keeps getting pushed back! 3 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
redneckdevil Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 And all of this, this specific fight anyway, would be solved by some tapes (or other form of record) of that phone call, right? Nevermind the implications that the existence of tapes might bring up. I agree, release proof or both politicians shut up. The mother can say whatever she damn well wants to say she's lost a loved one in the military and she's an American citizen, but now it's gotten to start bringing proof and don't open ur damn mouth to the politicians with this political fighting.
Guard Dog Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cambridge-university-trigger-warnings-shakespeare-plays-titus-andronicus-mary-beard-academics-a8008456.html 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Chilloutman Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cambridge-university-trigger-warnings-shakespeare-plays-titus-andronicus-mary-beard-academics-a8008456.html pathetic :/ I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Ben No.3 Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cambridge-university-trigger-warnings-shakespeare-plays-titus-andronicus-mary-beard-academics-a8008456.htmlAnd someone thinks this is of any actual relevance or even just newsworthy. Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows
Guard Dog Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Newsworthy? In the scale of important things in the world, not even. Cringeworthy? Oh yeah. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Elerond Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cambridge-university-trigger-warnings-shakespeare-plays-titus-andronicus-mary-beard-academics-a8008456.html Nothing has changed in 500 years. There are still people that think Shakespeare's plays are inappropriate for decent folk
Gfted1 Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 See! Things like this happen after raising a few generations with "participation trophies". 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Malcador Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Newsworthy? In the scale of important things in the world, not even. Cringeworthy? Oh yeah. Seems like the Viewer Discretion advised warnings . Big deal. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Look at it on the bright side. If universities keep churning out legions milk blooded lilting pansies then in a few more years we'll going to take this whole f-----g show over and run this place! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
smjjames Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/cambridge-university-trigger-warnings-shakespeare-plays-titus-andronicus-mary-beard-academics-a8008456.html Oh FFS.......
Malcador Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Look at it on the bright side. If universities keep churning out legions milk blooded lilting pansies then in a few more years we'll going to take this whole f-----g show over and run this place! Who is we in this context? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
213374U Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Newsworthy? In the scale of important things in the world, not even. Cringeworthy? Oh yeah. Would it be fair to say then that this story... triggered you? 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
redneckdevil Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago. It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times. U stare into the abyss long enough... Edited October 19, 2017 by redneckdevil
aluminiumtrioxid Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago. It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times. U stare into the abyss long enough... Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Chilloutman Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago. It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times. U stare into the abyss long enough... Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage i know what you mean but these are supposed to be adult people, how can they operate in real life if they can't handle centuries old play? :/ I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Guard Dog Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Look at it on the bright side. If universities keep churning out legions milk blooded lilting pansies then in a few more years we'll going to take this whole f-----g show over and run this place! Who is we in this context? Well, I was really attempting to be humorous by ripping off a line from the original Planet of the Apes. But to answer your question the "we" would be the people who can read f-----g play without feeling so traumatized they need to see a f-----g therapist afterwards. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Guard Dog Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 It's very weird seeing the side who fought christians, Republicans and "upset parents" book burning and censorship and pushed the envelope of raunchyness and uncomfortable truths become the thing they fought against years ago. It's ass backwards now and has been for some time and still i can't believe it at times. U stare into the abyss long enough... Oh no, how dare they... warn people that rape and violence is happening in these plays? Clearly this is the same thing as burning books! something something cultural marxism something something outrage Not the same thing... but the latter is only a short step from the former. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
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