Oh they have a challenge

[BlackRangerXIII]

and that is simple: make a unique item comparable to the "Larder Door" unique item in sheer "WTF is THAT!" and "Smoke weed every day" categories

What's your opinion about it?

Edited June 6, 2017 by BlackRangerXIII

[Karkarov]

I really don't get why people think the Larder Door is out there, it is a big ass door converted into a shield.  It makes perfect sense.  Where do you guys think the "pot lid" helmet thing came from?  Sometimes a farmer or peasant had to fight, and they didn't have chainmail, with a nice coif, a peaked bascinet, a broadsword, and a metal heater shield in the cupboard. 

 

People have to use what is at hand.

[Gromnir]

and that is simple: make a unique item comparable to the "Larder Door" unique item in sheer "WTF is THAT!" and "Smoke weed every day" categories

What's your opinion about it?

not much o' a challenge.

 

first, yeah, a larder door is ridiculous as a shield, regardless o' karkarov comments.  would be heavy. would be unwieldy. would not last more than a single combat, we suspect, as a larder door ain't designed as a shield.  but poe is a fantasy game.  the ridiculous is commonplace whether most folks realize or not.  as long as is in keeping with aesthetic and/or is funny, am ok with such stuff.

 

am suspecting xoti's lantern may be a curious item, but even so, off the top o' our head, we can imagine a few equal ridiculous items.

 

some kinda giant shell-shield would be obvious. too obvious?  

 

ok then, how 'bout the bloody oar?  captain roe (pun intended... sorry) fought off a frenzy o' weresharks, but at the last he need face the hammerhead queen herself and his magic cutlass lay shattered 'pon the rocky shore, and his flintlock pistol were outta ammo.  as a last desperate act, the captain grabbed a small, discarded oar from a blood filled tidepool at his feet and rushed the queen, bellowing mightily as he met his inevitable doom...

 

yadda, yadda, yadda. if is a broken oar, can make into a club or mace. if is a full oar, perhaps whittled down a bit, might call equivalent o' a quarterstaff.

 

want weirder?  how 'bout a petrified eel, sharpened into an impossibly sharp and stony blade? even sillier. electric & petrified perhaps?  

 

easy.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited June 6, 2017 by Gromnir

[rjshae]

It's a seaborne adventure, so... the Scuttlebut Shield is an improvised shield made from the base of a shattered scuttlebut cask, then reinforced with tar and hide, and magically enchanted (or cursed?) by a sea divinity. The shield is always waterlogged, making it heavier than it might seem, and it is constantly dripping brine. On the back are carved the initials "S.D.". Rumor has it that if you sleep on the shield, by morning your head will be filled with wild tales that will entertain your crew. Supposedly it also protects against fire, thirst, and in a pinch will double as an emergency flotation device.

[Quillon]

A cloak torn apart from a ship flag. One of the sidekicks, the mute one that survived a shipwreck? should be wearing this initially.

 

 

btw. who has a challenge?

Edited June 6, 2017 by Quillon

[anameforobsidian]

Snake flail - Enchanted snakes twisted together that bite the victim when they hit them.

Bottle o' Rum - Trinket that permanently gives you the effect of one of the in-game alcohols.

Severed Arm - Club that's exactly what it sounds like.

Cannonball on a stick - Soulbound mace.

"Xaurip Spear" - A legendary xaurip spear that all others are copied from.  Looks indistinguishable from all other xaurip spears.

Bag of cats - Flail.  Blunt / Slash damage.

The double monocle - has twice the power of a normal monocle.

 

 

As a side note, I would really like to see them add a Macuahuitl.  These are the Aztec version of swords.  Long paddles serrated by pieces of Obsidian set in them.  They were supposedly brutal in battle.

[injurai]

I really don't get why people think the Larder Door is out there, it is a big ass door converted into a shield.  It makes perfect sense.  Where do you guys think the "pot lid" helmet thing came from?  Sometimes a farmer or peasant had to fight, and they didn't have chainmail, with a nice coif, a peaked bascinet, a broadsword, and a metal heater shield in the cupboard. 

 

People have to use what is at hand.

 

Yeah, a lot of what are now cliche ninja weapons are simply stylized farm tools. Like the kunai as they appear in modern culture are actually based on (not historic kunai) but hand spade that was used for gardening.

 

A cloak torn apart from a ship flag. One of the sidekicks, the mute one that survived a shipwreck? should be wearing this initially.

 

 

btw. who has a challenge?

 

I don't think he's mute, he just doesn't speak any language that anyone knows. He's also a "Storm Folk" so it sounds like he's from a lost continent and was blown off course.

But I like that flag cloak idea.

 

 

 

When thinking about Deadfire I can't help but think of Polynesia and the Caribbean. Maybe a flail with a giant (and I mean giant) pearl on the end of it. Just a massive iridescent pearl that you use to smash in skulls with.

[smjjames]

Never seen the pot-lid helmet, but yeah, the larder door thing is a bit silly.

 

 

 

I really don't get why people think the Larder Door is out there, it is a big ass door converted into a shield.  It makes perfect sense.  Where do you guys think the "pot lid" helmet thing came from?  Sometimes a farmer or peasant had to fight, and they didn't have chainmail, with a nice coif, a peaked bascinet, a broadsword, and a metal heater shield in the cupboard. 

 

People have to use what is at hand.

 

Yeah, a lot of what are now cliche ninja weapons are simply stylized farm tools. Like the kunai as they appear in modern culture are actually based on (not historic kunai) but hand spade that was used for gardening.

 

A cloak torn apart from a ship flag. One of the sidekicks, the mute one that survived a shipwreck? should be wearing this initially.

 

 

btw. who has a challenge?

 

I don't think he's mute, he just doesn't speak any language that anyone knows. He's also a "Storm Folk" so it sounds like he's from a lost continent and was blown off course.

But I like that flag cloak idea.

 

 

 

When thinking about Deadfire I can't help but think of Polynesia and the Caribbean. Maybe a flail with a giant (and I mean giant) pearl on the end of it. Just a massive iridescent pearl that you use to smash in skulls with.

 

 

Actually, a LOT of weapons had their origins as farming implements, and ninjas are supposed to be resourceful anyway.

 

There is definetly a heavy polynesian influence with the Aumaua cultures and the archipelago itself sort of sounds like a mix of Carribean (with pirates thrown in), Indonesian archipelago, and various island chains in the Pacific. I don't think it's based on any one particular archipelago or region with lots of islands, though it does have the general 'conquest by foriegn trading companies' theme going which is like that of the Indonesian archipelago (mostly Dutch) and the Carribean (mostly Spanish).

[Karkarov]

yadda, yadda, yadda. if is a broken oar, can make into a club or mace. if is a full oar, perhaps whittled down a bit, might call equivalent o' a quarterstaff.

You say my comments are crazy, yet suggest a boat oar.

 

Did you know one of the most famous duels in Japanese history was fought by a guy who choose to use a boat oar instead of a sword?  His opponent was well known for owning and using a very long bladed katana, the oar was the easiest way to get a longer weapon since they were fighting on a small island.

 

The guy with the oar won.  Boat oar as weapon?  Not so silly.

[injurai]

An oar as a unique polearm would be cool.

[smjjames]

Wouldn't it be more of a club? Or maybe it could be classified as a quarterstaff for a two handed blunt weapon.

Edited June 7, 2017 by smjjames

[Gromnir]

 

yadda, yadda, yadda. if is a broken oar, can make into a club or mace. if is a full oar, perhaps whittled down a bit, might call equivalent o' a quarterstaff.

You say my comments are crazy, yet suggest a boat oar.

 

am much aware o' the miyamoto musashi stuff, but such is apocryphal... at best. we suggested your comments were crazy, then admitted it didn't matter if the notion were objective crazy.  larder door is crazy.  so what?  is fun and fits w/i the setting.  try and rationalize with reality is not a viable option. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[smjjames]

@Gromnir: Offtopic, but I gotta wonder, what is up with you talking about yourself in the third person with the 'we'?

[Gromnir]

off-topic, but am guessing once every couple o' years the same question is asked, so will invoke a point o' personal privilege via parliamentary rules to reply.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/80219-why-did-obsidian-despise-light-side-revan/?p=1704723

 

...

 

if we don't clarify, somebody will likely point out how messageboard Gromnir is mimicking tob Gromnir, but the tob character is actual a kinda developer joke seeming inspired by the board Gromnir.  is no chicken v. egg conundrum. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[smjjames]

off-topic, but am guessing once every couple o' years the same question is asked, so will invoke a point o' personal privilege via parliamentary rules to reply.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/80219-why-did-obsidian-despise-light-side-revan/?p=1704723

 

...

 

if we don't clarify, somebody will likely point out how messageboard Gromnir is mimicking tob Gromnir, but the tob character is actual a kinda developer joke seeming inspired by the board Gromnir.  is no chicken v. egg conundrum. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

So, sort of roleplaying the Gromnir character and being RL Gromnir at the same time? Also, going straight to that link didn't explain it, had to go back about 8 posts for the start of the explaination, mainly that's because ToB Gromnir isn't mentioned at the link, but further back.

[Gromnir]

 

off-topic, but am guessing once every couple o' years the same question is asked, so will invoke a point o' personal privilege via parliamentary rules to reply.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/80219-why-did-obsidian-despise-light-side-revan/?p=1704723

 

...

 

if we don't clarify, somebody will likely point out how messageboard Gromnir is mimicking tob Gromnir, but the tob character is actual a kinda developer joke seeming inspired by the board Gromnir.  is no chicken v. egg conundrum. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

So, sort of roleplaying the Gromnir character and being RL Gromnir at the same time? Also, going straight to that link didn't explain it, had to go back about 8 posts for the start of the explaination, mainly that's because ToB Gromnir isn't mentioned at the link, but further back.

 

you asked about our curious posting style, which had nothing actual to do with tob.  couple posts after the link is the only other post which actual addresses your query. 

 

we added the tob part simple 'cause is a typical follow-up question for a few people.  didn't need read in the linked thread as we clarified how board Gromnir pre-dated tob Gromnir.  didn't actual have anything to do with your initial question either.  

 

*shrug*

 

HA! Good Fun!

[smjjames]

Oh, probably could have linked that particular post rather than the top of the page. Anyways, curiosity satisfied, back on topic now.

[Gromnir]

...

 

am feeling as if folks is purposeful trying to goad us with these kinda responses today.  is there some kinda betting pool of which we ain't aware? have had some o' the weirdest dialogues today.

 

regardless, the post at the top of the linked page is where we provide the answer to your question. 

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/80219-why-did-obsidian-despise-light-side-revan/page-3?do=findComment&comment=1704723

 

the next post by Gromnir clarifies a smidgen, but the answer to your initial question is, for the most part, in the post at the top o' the page.

 

oh well.  good for another two years or so.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[smjjames]

I wasn't trying to goad you on anything, I was honestly curious what was up with the posting style. Haven't seen other people trying to get the same response out of you, so, it's independent of whatever you're talking about.

[Sedrefilos]

I really don't get why people think the Larder Door is out there, it is a big ass door converted into a shield.  It makes perfect sense.  Where do you guys think the "pot lid" helmet thing came from?  Sometimes a farmer or peasant had to fight, and they didn't have chainmail, with a nice coif, a peaked bascinet, a broadsword, and a metal heater shield in the cupboard. 

 

People have to use what is at hand.

Come on man, Larder Door was a "lol wtf" moment in Pillars, gotta admit it

You don't rip your door and go to battle using it as a shield because you don't have one. You can't even lift and move it around - it's huge :D   It never was a viable solution to those who had no shields handy ever in history

[rheingold]

I'm presuming that the larder door is not the full sized larder door but rather someone took a saw to their larder door? It doesn't look the size of a door when equipped. Unless it's bilbo bagginses larder door.

[Amentep]

An oar as a unique polearm would be cool.

 

Wouldn't it be more of a club? Or maybe it could be classified as a quarterstaff for a two handed blunt weapon.

 

It'd probably be a blunt weapon like a staff...perhaps with reach (or similar) unless the blade of the oar was sharpened to have a blade edge in which case it could serve as something akin to a glaive or a naginata.

 

Other silly ideas -

 

An anchor & chain as something akin to a spiked chain / meteor hammer / kusarigama

 

A pair of metal rudders sharpened and used as dual-weilded axes

 

An ancient pirate flag as a magical cloak

 

Wooden Leg as a club (too obvious)

 

A petrified arm with a hook hand as a club/piercing damage unique weapon

 

Magical eye patches that let you see hidden things

 

Shield made from a ship's wheel - has a % chance to allow disarm to represent the idea of blocking the weapon on the fellow and using the handles to twist the weapon from opponents grip

 

Tiller as a club

 

Giant shark tooth as a shield that adds blunt & slash to bash attacks

[JerekKruger]

I really don't get why people think the Larder Door is out there, it is a big ass door converted into a shield.  It makes perfect sense.  Where do you guys think the "pot lid" helmet thing came from?  Sometimes a farmer or peasant had to fight, and they didn't have chainmail, with a nice coif, a peaked bascinet, a broadsword, and a metal heater shield in the cupboard. 

 

People have to use what is at hand.

 

Assuming by "pot lid" helmet you mean a kettle hat then no. Those were so called because they resembled kettles, not because they literally used to be kettles.

 

This isn't to say that common items weren't used as improvised military equipment when needed. For example archaeological finds from mass graves at the Battle of Visby turn up all sorts of crude pieces of armour that appear to have be hurriedly modified pieces of metal rather than bespoke armour. We are given a false impression of armour from what remains, but of course only the best pieces were actually kept rather than being recycled.

 

That said, it's important to note that even the crude armour of Visby was modified from its original source. I dare say someone, somewhere in history has tried wearing an actual pot as a helmet, but I doubt it was at all common since pots would make poor helmets due to being fundamentally different. The vast majority of men who couldn't afford to buy an actual metal helmet (or have something modified into one) would have settled for some sort of padded hood (think a mail coif made from multiple layers of linen), and by the age of bascinets those men were rare: almost all English longbowmen in the hundred years war would have had at least a metal skullcap, and those that didn't would have tried to loot one after a battle (many longbowmen who had served for a while wear surprisingly well armoured infact).

 

As for using a door as a shield, even ignoring the weight problem (even cut down to the size of a shield it would be far too heavy) it would make a poor shield since shields consist of more than just wooden planks. They also have coverings of raw hide, linen etc. which were actually vital to their function. A door would have been effective against arrows but would have come apart very quickly against blows from melee weapons.

[injurai]

I assume they meant pot lid to be something like this:

 

 

Make shift protection in an extreme pinch.

[JerekKruger]

I need to know the context of that picture