Gromnir Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-appeals-court-refuses-to-reinstate-trump-travel-ban/ar-AAmMFn8?ocid=spartanntp http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/02/09/17-35105.pdf HA! Good Fun! Edited February 9, 2017 by Gromnir 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Malcador Posted February 9, 2017 Posted February 9, 2017 Wonder what online hardman speak Trump will use to respond to this. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gromnir Posted February 9, 2017 Author Posted February 9, 2017 Wonder what online hardman speak Trump will use to respond to this. already has "SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!" HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Malcador Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Well, I guess fear is the drum to bang on. This whole thing is so private sector it's funny, going off half-****ed with like 20 minutes of thought by about half the people that should have been involved Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
213374U Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Why "so-called"? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Vaeliorin Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Because Trump has been referring the the judges as "so-called judges" on Twitter, as I understand it.
213374U Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Ah, thanks. Should have guessed something along those lines. Fun times. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Gromnir Posted February 10, 2017 Author Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) the doj pretty much dared the court to deny the appeal. were kinda akin to the following doj were arguing separation o' powers and deference to the President. "Despite the district court’s and our own repeated invitations to explain the urgent need for the Executive Order to be placed immediately into effect, the Government submitted no evidence to rebut the States’ argument that the district court’s order merely returned the nation temporarily to the position it has occupied for many previous years. The Government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States. Rather than present evidence to explain the need for the Executive Order, the Government has taken the position that we must not review its decision at all. "We disagree" am not surprised by the ruling. HA! Good Fun! ps more appropriate vid Edited February 10, 2017 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Hurlshort Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) This may be a long 4 years. If we get a Nixonian type disgrace, which doesn't seem too unlikely, do you think he steps down? Sorry, that was a dumb question. Edited February 10, 2017 by Hurlshot
Calax Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 This may be a long 4 years. I think it'll be a long period but shorter than 4 years. I'm willing to bet that Trump screws up enough politically that he's either forced to abdicate or is impeached and removed from power in disgrace because he pushed the entire establishment in a bad way. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.
Hurlshort Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 2 weeks into his term and Federal judges are telling him he is acting unconstitutionally. Jesus.
Malcador Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 This may be a long 4 years. If we get a Nixonian type disgrace, which doesn't seem too unlikely, do you think he steps down? Sorry, that was a dumb question. We'll see bull**** the likes of which mankind has never seen before. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Guard Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 2 weeks into his term and Federal judges are telling him he is acting unconstitutionally. Jesus. That has to be a record "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Gromnir Posted February 10, 2017 Author Posted February 10, 2017 keep in mind we are talking 'bout the request o' an emergency stay o' a tro. might not be quite what some folks thinks it means. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Drowsy Emperor Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 The Constitution constitutes more of a guideline. You can't expect the god emperor of trumpkind to be deferent to a piece of paper. 1 И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,И његова сва изгибе војска, Седамдесет и седам иљада;Све је свето и честито билоИ миломе Богу приступачно.
Guard Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 keep in mind we are talking 'bout the request o' an emergency stay o' a tro. might not be quite what some folks thinks it means. HA! Good Fun! Oh yeah. This is a 15 round bout. This is only round 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Guard Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 The Constitution constitutes more of a guideline. You can't expect the god emperor of trumpkind to be deferent to a piece of paper. Barack Obama ignored whenever he could and bitched about it when he couldn't. President's trying to do things they cannot do is nothing new here I'm sorry to say. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
ShadySands Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) http://www.theonion.com/article/secret-service-adds-emotional-protection-division--55263 Seemed relevant Edited February 10, 2017 by ShadySands 1 Free games updated 3/4/21
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 It's the court that acted unconstitutionally in this case. It's not for them to determine whether there's a security threat or not, that's the President's job. Both the Constitution and the law are crystal clear on this. 1 "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Hurlshort Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 It's the court that acted unconstitutionally in this case. It's not for them to determine whether there's a security threat or not, that's the President's job. Both the Constitution and the law are crystal clear on this. Yes, I'm sure you and Trump are better versed on this stuff than the judges.
Malcador Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 It's the court that acted unconstitutionally in this case. It's not for them to determine whether there's a security threat or not, that's the President's job. Both the Constitution and the law are crystal clear on this.I think they concluded that the government didn't do a proper job of justifying such an emergency measure, or at least that's what the news here summarized for me. Anyway, might be interesting reading to some - http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/02/09/17-35105.pdf Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) @Hurlshot Trump has the executive power, the judges just stole it from him, has nothing to do with who is more knowledgeable. The judges are not objective, it's been obvious for a long time that liberal judges simply decide for whatever they'd like the outcome to be, the hell with the law. Was just about to post this anyway, explains one reason why this decision is so stupid and dangerous: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/09/the-9th-circuits-dangerous-and-unprecedented-use-of-campaign-statements-to-block-presidential-policy/?utm_term=.3ed5dd6ad286 Edit: I think they concluded that the government didn't do a proper job of justifying such an emergency measure, or at least that's what the news here summarized for me. Anyway, might be interesting reading to some - http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/02/09/17-35105.pdf They don't have to justify it, we have separation of powers, the President doesn't need to have his decisions approved by the court. All the court can rule on is whether the order is legal or not, there's no requirement anywhere for the President to prove that there's a real threat. Edited February 10, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon 1 "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Guard Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 It's the court that acted unconstitutionally in this case. It's not for them to determine whether there's a security threat or not, that's the President's job. Both the Constitution and the law are crystal clear on this. No. As Gromnir intimated the only thing at issue here is if the injunction will be lifted before the whole order is litigated. The only standard the judges have to apply is if the case to overturn is likely to succeed on it's merits. In other words is there a fair chance the temporary moratorium will be overturned. They decided there was so the injunction is upheld. They did not make a decision on whether the Executive has the authority to do what it did. That will come later. 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Then how do they know the case is likely to succeed on its merits? It's quite obvious the case has no merit. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Guard Dog Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Then how do they know the case is likely to succeed on its merits? It's quite obvious the case has no merit. Well, that is really a matter of their opinion. If you want to gnaw on THAT bone there is a bit more meat on it. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
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