Politics 2017

[Raithe]

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Scientists Planning the Next Big Washington March

 

 

Last weekend, a massive milieu of women in pink hats descended on Washington, D.C. for the Women’s March. The next big protest being planned for the nation’s capital could involve a sea of lab coats (and likely a few pink hats as well).

 

A group of researchers have proposed a March for Science. What started as a discussion on Reddit has quickly blossomed into a movement.

 

Organizers started a private Facebook group and Twitter account on Monday. By Wednesday afternoon, the former boasted more than 300,000 members and the latter had nearly 55,000 followers. A public Facebook page had more than 11,000 likes just five hours after going online. The explosion of support caught organizers off guard, but they’re meeting this weekend to discuss details about the date and full mission statement.

 

The march would be the latest in a string of actions taken by scientists following Donald Trump’s election and his inauguration as president. His administration has been widely viewed as hostile to science — from the transition period through hearings for his cabinet nominees through silencing key federal science agencies and freezing grants.

 

“This is not a partisan issue. People from all parts of the political spectrum should be alarmed by these efforts to deny scientific progress,” Caroline Weinberg, a medical researcher who is helping organize the march, said. “Scientific research moves us forward and we should not allow asinine policies to thwart it.”

 

Researchers have been getting more vocal about the value of science and evidence-based policymaking in recent months. Earth scientists took to the streets in San Francisco last December during the annual American Geophysical Union meeting. Researchers and librarians are also racing to save climate data from federal websites. And more recently, scientists flooded Twitter during Friday’s inauguration with updates about how science impacts everyday people.

 

The March for Science represents a next step, with a groundswell of support behind it and the potential to dwarf the December San Francisco rally of a few hundred earth science researchers. While details are forthcoming, Weinberg underscored that scientists and science lovers of all disciplines and backgrounds will be welcome.

 

“Diversity in science, both in the researchers who participate and the topics we are focused on, is a critically neglected area,” she said. “We fully intend to emphasize diversity in both the planning of and mission statement for this march.”

 

Whatever becomes of the march, it won’t be the first time scientists have turned out to protest what they view as federal policies ungrounded in science. The 2014 People’s Climate March turned out an estimated 310,000 people in New York, including a large number of climate scientists.

Naomi Oreskes, a science historian at Harvard, said that looking further into the past reveals another telling example of scientists organizing.

 

“It is the scientists who mobilized against the arms race in the late 1950s and 1960s,” she said. “So that tells you how scientists feel now. This is an existential threat.”

 

 

 

science is just another tool of cultural marxist oppression and in taking away the rights of white men

 

down with politicized SJW science, go alternative science

Edited January 26, 2017 by aluminiumtrioxid

[BruceVC]

 

Scientists Planning the Next Big Washington March

 

 

Last weekend, a massive milieu of women in pink hats descended on Washington, D.C. for the Women’s March. The next big protest being planned for the nation’s capital could involve a sea of lab coats (and likely a few pink hats as well).

 

A group of researchers have proposed a March for Science. What started as a discussion on Reddit has quickly blossomed into a movement.

 

Organizers started a private Facebook group and Twitter account on Monday. By Wednesday afternoon, the former boasted more than 300,000 members and the latter had nearly 55,000 followers. A public Facebook page had more than 11,000 likes just five hours after going online. The explosion of support caught organizers off guard, but they’re meeting this weekend to discuss details about the date and full mission statement.

 

The march would be the latest in a string of actions taken by scientists following Donald Trump’s election and his inauguration as president. His administration has been widely viewed as hostile to science — from the transition period through hearings for his cabinet nominees through silencing key federal science agencies and freezing grants.

 

“This is not a partisan issue. People from all parts of the political spectrum should be alarmed by these efforts to deny scientific progress,” Caroline Weinberg, a medical researcher who is helping organize the march, said. “Scientific research moves us forward and we should not allow asinine policies to thwart it.”

 

Researchers have been getting more vocal about the value of science and evidence-based policymaking in recent months. Earth scientists took to the streets in San Francisco last December during the annual American Geophysical Union meeting. Researchers and librarians are also racing to save climate data from federal websites. And more recently, scientists flooded Twitter during Friday’s inauguration with updates about how science impacts everyday people.

 

The March for Science represents a next step, with a groundswell of support behind it and the potential to dwarf the December San Francisco rally of a few hundred earth science researchers. While details are forthcoming, Weinberg underscored that scientists and science lovers of all disciplines and backgrounds will be welcome.

 

“Diversity in science, both in the researchers who participate and the topics we are focused on, is a critically neglected area,” she said. “We fully intend to emphasize diversity in both the planning of and mission statement for this march.”

 

Whatever becomes of the march, it won’t be the first time scientists have turned out to protest what they view as federal policies ungrounded in science. The 2014 People’s Climate March turned out an estimated 310,000 people in New York, including a large number of climate scientists.

Naomi Oreskes, a science historian at Harvard, said that looking further into the past reveals another telling example of scientists organizing.

 

“It is the scientists who mobilized against the arms race in the late 1950s and 1960s,” she said. “So that tells you how scientists feel now. This is an existential threat.”

 

 

This is so important, the whole  " GG is going to lead to real changes in.....gaming journalism " to  " you cant trust ANY  media " to " alternative facts"  is a huge concern to me as in many cases this leads to people believing comments on social media and unquestioningly following Breitbart opinion or other similar websites 

 

It can cause unnecessary invective  and  controversy around public commentary by people, we lose the ability to use objective reasoning and formulate opinions based on facts as we become selective around what parts of a story we dont like or we just believe what someone says on Twitter

 

I am very supportive of this march, I wish I could attend 

[redneckdevil]

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/entry/donald-trump-border-wall_us_5888a9c3e4b0441a8f71f08e

 

Im confused and I need our American members to explain this. For years I have heard endless criticism how Obama overreached in the affairs of the various states through numerous Federal initiatives

 

Now Trump is threatening to hold back Federal funding to any city that doesnt support his immigration policies, these cities have been " sanctuary cities "

 

How is what Trump is threatening to do not interfering in the affairs of the states? This seems very inconsistent and reeks of double standards

what Obama tried to do was take away the states right to chose to do or not something they had the right to decide. Sanctuary cities on the other hand is something a state does not have power to have and it goes against Federal law.

Obama tried to force states to do things they had the right to chose to do. Trump is trying to force states to stop doing something they do NOT have the right to do.

States dont have right to receive degrees of Federal funding and Trump has a right to just take it away? Did you read the link I posted?

 

What you saying is not what New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says

 

" he said in a statement that Trump lacked the authority to take away funding from cities and states "

 

There is a whole section underneath this in the article that clarifies this that I cant paste , please read the link below so you are familiar with the point.

 

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/824362523529007104/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Which is false. Good example, in the 60s the government pulled and refused funding to cities that did allow segregation in schools. Here in my home state of NC, the govt can legally if they chose to pull funding from our education because of the issue of transgender bathrooms.

 

Also we have to address the elephant in the room. The govt CAN pull funding for sanctuary cities BUT u have to realize that states come up and have their own funding. States can do their own thing against federal law. Federal law is the overlapping laws of the land whereas states have the right within their own rights to chose to obey or disobey a federal law by making one of their own.

states can make laws in some areas superseding federal such as legalizing weed and gay marriage but federal can make laws superseding state laws such as immigration and war and such.

So to keep a balance and cooperation between federal and states is funding.

 

Illegal Immigration is a federal level which states have to bow down to. Cutting funding is more of a quick jab to show u are ready to fight and if u do fight, ur resources are gonna be limited.

[Gfted1]

All these variously titled marches make me belly laugh. There's at least 4 years of sand about to be impacted into their various orifices, they better pace themselves.

 

The Feds twist the states arm with money all the time. Back in the day they threatened to withhold highway monies until the states raised the drinking age to 21. Its just another tool in the box.

[Malcador]

Always find it odd how people sneer at protesters so much. Almost as much as people hating unions for some reason - though sometimes it does get amusing when it boils down to envy.

 

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316216-trump-cited-pro-golfer-as-voter-fraud-example-report

 

Ah, FOAF

[BruceVC]

Always find it odd how people sneer at protesters so much. Almost as much as people hating unions for some reason - though sometimes it does get amusing when it boils down to envy.

 

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316216-trump-cited-pro-golfer-as-voter-fraud-example-report

 

Ah, FOAF

In SA  white people generally never march or protest, its not our culture

 

But for me people must  protest in the interests of a progressive, open society around  whatever they want if that is what they believe in, I support many protests in spirit ....I just wont actually participate unless it was very important to me on a personal level. And I have to be honest I have never attended any march in 42 years

[Gfted1]

I don't care about protesters, go on and get your protest on for whatever you want, its the protest names that are tickling my funny bone. "Womens march", "Awoke mens march", "Scientist march". Oh lordy. If they blow their wad too early they are going to be down to "Generally upset about stuff march" before the end of next week.

[redneckdevil]

While I don't agree with it, I do think they have the right for these protests. Granted I think these protests are just a huge hissy fit and a way to throw a tantrum BUT hell everyone needs to vent.

 

i don't actually believe these protests were actually designed to DO something other than vent, otherwise sadly either the participants aren't very bright in protesting AND/OR the media on ALL sides just chose to focus in on all the circus acts of venting.

 

I mean really, time and a place. I'd dare say that the scientist march would get more accomplished for their cause than the women's march for the simple fact of WHO they are mad about for not winning....seriously lol, a wife of a rapist. The hypocrisy has been strong on all sides lol, myself included.

Edited January 26, 2017 by redneckdevil

[Elerond]

It seems that there is only politically correct science for Americans now on

 

Trump mandates EPA studies, data undergo review by political staff before release

 

The Trump administration is scrutinizing studies and data published by scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency, while new work is under a "temporary hold" before it can be released.

The communications director for President Donald Trump's transition team at EPA, Doug Ericksen, said Wednesday the review extends to all existing content on the federal agency's website, including details of scientific evidence showing that the Earth's climate is warming and man-made carbon emissions are to blame.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-epa-studies-20170125-story.html

[Malcador]

So basically it'll be like Canada under Harper

[Wrath of Dagon]

States dont have right to receive degrees of Federal funding and Trump has a right to just take it away? Did you read the link I posted?

 

What you saying is not what New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman  says

 

 " he said in a statement that Trump lacked the authority to take away funding from cities and states " 

 

There is a whole section underneath this in the article that clarifies this that I cant paste , please read the link below  so you are familiar with the point.

 

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/824362523529007104/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

The problem with Schneiderman's reasoning is that cities are not acting legally when they shelter illegal alien criminals, they're breaking federal law.

 

All these variously titled marches make me belly laugh. There's at least 4 years of sand about to be impacted into their various orifices, they better pace themselves.

Are the scientists going to dress up like pussies too?

[Hurlshort]

This wall stuff is crazy. Everyone is ok with us dropping a couple billion dollars on a massive construction project that will have a questionable impact on illegal immigration?

 

It's also weird that people ignore the fact that Obama extended the wall and deported more people than Bush.  Both sides seem to ignore that.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Hurlshot

[Wrath of Dagon]

This wall stuff is crazy. Everyone is ok with us dropping a couple billion dollars on a massive construction project that will have a questionable impact on illegal immigration?

Walls work great : https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/01/19/israel-upgrades-to-security-fence-along-egyptian-border-complete/

 

“significantly curbed the flow of illegal infiltration into Israel, with only 11 successful attempts to cross the fence throughout 2016.” Obama has already spent several billion taking care of illegal kids and families he refuses to send back, the money can be spent on the fence instead.

It's also weird that people ignore the fact that Obama extended the wall and deported more people than Bush.  Both sides seem to ignore that.

I never heard him extending anything, I don't know where you get that, in any case the current fences are ineffective and have miles long gaps in between, which makes them virtually useless (Edit: except the 34 mile San Diego fence). As far as the record number of deportations, that was a lie because they started counting people turned back at the border, instead of just internal deportations like under Bush, and the last few years they haven't even been doing that much. Edited January 26, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Gfted1]

This wall stuff is crazy. Everyone is ok with us dropping a couple billion dollars on a massive construction project that will have a questionable impact on illegal immigration?

 

It's also weird that people ignore the fact that Obama extended the wall and deported more people than Bush.  Both sides seem to ignore that.

 

Wasting money is our governments specialty. Nobody blinks either when we drop 7B over 10 years supporting other countries breeding programs of questionable impact.

 

How much is Trump Wall supposed to cost anyway?

[Hurlshort]

*snip*

 

Yes yes, your guy is the greatest, the other guy is the devil. Facts are unimportant.  

 

http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

[Elerond]

 

This wall stuff is crazy. Everyone is ok with us dropping a couple billion dollars on a massive construction project that will have a questionable impact on illegal immigration?

 

It's also weird that people ignore the fact that Obama extended the wall and deported more people than Bush.  Both sides seem to ignore that.

 

Wasting money is our governments specialty. Nobody blinks either when we drop 7B over 10 years supporting other countries breeding programs of questionable impact.

 

How much is Trump Wall supposed to cost anyway?

 

 

Trump says 10 billion, experts say 25-100 billion

[ShadySands]

Just google Deporter-in-Chief

[Gromnir]

 

 

Scientists Planning the Next Big Washington March

 

 

Last weekend, a massive milieu of women in pink hats descended on Washington, D.C. for the Women’s March. The next big protest being planned for the nation’s capital could involve a sea of lab coats (and likely a few pink hats as well).

 

A group of researchers have proposed a March for Science. What started as a discussion on Reddit has quickly blossomed into a movement.

 

Organizers started a private Facebook group and Twitter account on Monday. By Wednesday afternoon, the former boasted more than 300,000 members and the latter had nearly 55,000 followers. A public Facebook page had more than 11,000 likes just five hours after going online. The explosion of support caught organizers off guard, but they’re meeting this weekend to discuss details about the date and full mission statement.

 

The march would be the latest in a string of actions taken by scientists following Donald Trump’s election and his inauguration as president. His administration has been widely viewed as hostile to science — from the transition period through hearings for his cabinet nominees through silencing key federal science agencies and freezing grants.

 

“This is not a partisan issue. People from all parts of the political spectrum should be alarmed by these efforts to deny scientific progress,” Caroline Weinberg, a medical researcher who is helping organize the march, said. “Scientific research moves us forward and we should not allow asinine policies to thwart it.”

 

Researchers have been getting more vocal about the value of science and evidence-based policymaking in recent months. Earth scientists took to the streets in San Francisco last December during the annual American Geophysical Union meeting. Researchers and librarians are also racing to save climate data from federal websites. And more recently, scientists flooded Twitter during Friday’s inauguration with updates about how science impacts everyday people.

 

The March for Science represents a next step, with a groundswell of support behind it and the potential to dwarf the December San Francisco rally of a few hundred earth science researchers. While details are forthcoming, Weinberg underscored that scientists and science lovers of all disciplines and backgrounds will be welcome.

 

“Diversity in science, both in the researchers who participate and the topics we are focused on, is a critically neglected area,” she said. “We fully intend to emphasize diversity in both the planning of and mission statement for this march.”

 

Whatever becomes of the march, it won’t be the first time scientists have turned out to protest what they view as federal policies ungrounded in science. The 2014 People’s Climate March turned out an estimated 310,000 people in New York, including a large number of climate scientists.

Naomi Oreskes, a science historian at Harvard, said that looking further into the past reveals another telling example of scientists organizing.

 

“It is the scientists who mobilized against the arms race in the late 1950s and 1960s,” she said. “So that tells you how scientists feel now. This is an existential threat.”

 

 

 

science is just another tool of stalinist oppression and in taking away the rights of white men

 

down with politicized SJW science, go alternative science

 

fixed

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps the MIT report on wall building. damn stalinists.

 

pps keep in mind the mit guys is only talking 'bout the wall itself.  most studies include the necessary integral infrastructure costs such as roads.  the mit folks also did not even attempt to figure in the considerable legal expenses which is gonna result from condemnation o' private property along the border nor having to deal with pesky treaty issues related to water.  converse, am doubting Congress, the folks who is actual gonna pay for this monstrosity o' questionable value, is actual envisioning a 1000 mile concrete and steel wall.  will likely involve considerable fencing improvements rather than trump's envisioned wall. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by Gromnir

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

*snip*

 

Yes yes, your guy is the greatest, the other guy is the devil. Facts are unimportant.  

 

http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

 

Snopes just tries to repeat the Obama lie, but they give themselves away by trying to use facts: "One distinct feature of the record number of deportations is the increasing share of deportations by U.S. Customs and Border Protection after border apprehension. In 2013, 25% of all deportations were carried out by the agency, up from 17% in 2012. Meanwhile, the number of deportations carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which deports people caught both at the border and the interior of the country, fell in 2013 compared with 2012." The greater "deportations" were because they were counting people turned back by the border patrol, which weren't counted before, as I said.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Trump says 10 billion, experts say 25-100 billion

Yes, it's going to cost more than the entire highway budget. Trump always brings his projects in ahead of time and under budget. Edited January 26, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Wrath of Dagon]

Some of his companies went bankrupt. He's now the most successful person in the world, both a billionaire and a president. If you're afraid to fail, you'll never succeed.

[Elerond]

 

Trump says 10 billion, experts say 25-100 billion

Yes, it's going to cost more than the entire highway budget. Trump always brings his projects in ahead of time and under budget.

 

 

He will hire cheap Mexican labor and uses even cheaper materials from China like he has done in past

[Wrath of Dagon]

Good, then the labor can stay on the other side of the fence.

[Elerond]

Good, then the labor can stay on the other side of the fence.

 

But who then will upkeep the wall, nah those labors need to stay in US.