When to go for DR Penetration vs Big Damage

[JerekKruger]

Easy enough without potions. Dual wielding, any ability that speeds you up (Frenzy, Swift Aim, Swift Strikes, Alacrity, Time Siphon) and speed enchantment or durgan steel plus Gauntlets of Swift Action and you're already under 0 recovery.

 

Although with potions it's a lot easier of course. And you don't necessarily have to consume potions of Alacrity. THere's also the potion of power which is much much cheaper and also speeds you up. Or even Svef.

 

That's zero recovery without armour I assume? I like wearing armour, not particularly for its DR so much as the aesthetics. As we all know, aesthetics are at least as important as performance!

 

Also adventurers say "no!" to Svef!

Edited November 29, 2016 by JerekKruger

[Braven]

For my cipher, I have thought of 3 combinations, all with zero recovery and the same weapon animation speed.

 

1) Blade of the Endless Path  (highest damage, even without additional DR Bypass)

1.5 (alacrity or time-parasite) x 1.15 (durgan) x 1.2 (speed enchant)  = 2.07  (padded armor)

 

2) Strike Hard and shield  (highest defense)

1.5 (alacrity or time-parasite) x 1.15 (durgan) x 1.2 (speed enchant) + 1.15 (shield durgan) = 2.22  (scale armor, or robe and vulnerable attack)

 

3) Dual Speed Weapons  (middle ground)

1.5 (alacrity or time-parasite) x 1.15 (durgan) x 1.2 (speed enchant) x 1.2 (speed enchant) x 1.15 (durgan) = 2.85  (plate armor and vulnerable attack and recovery to spare)

 

With gauntlets of swift action, you can actually do vulnerable attack with all three styles, or use wear heavier armor

Edited November 29, 2016 by Braven

[Dr <3]

Thinking about it: negative dr damage bonus would have been very fun to implement... The reign of stilettos...

[riodoro]

Does Sundering Blow stack with other Dmg reduction reducing effects like scalebreaker?

A little off topic: Is upscaled high lvl content (base difficulty hard) identical to Path of the Damned?

[Livegood118]

Does Sundering Blow stack with other Dmg reduction reducing effects like scalebreaker?

A little off topic: Is upscaled high lvl content (base difficulty hard) identical to Path of the Damned?

 

Don't quote me on this, but I think debuffs on enemies work the same as buffs to your party.

 

So, for example, if your priest casts armour of faith on your dudes (+4 General DR) and then a Druid casts Form of the Delemgan (+8 to specific types of DR), you'll get +12 DR against the the specific types that Delemgan protects against and +4 to everything else.

 

Sundering Blow is -8 to general damage reduction on the enemy as a debuff so if you wanted to stack it with something else it'd have to be a debuff that reduces DR of a specific type. I think scalebreaker reduces general DR.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Livegood118

[MaxQuest]

A little off topic: Is upscaled high lvl content (base difficulty hard) identical to Path of the Damned?

Nope.

PotD: increases enemy accuracy and defenses by 15; it increases their endurance by 25%; adds more enemies, and substitutes some of them with a more powerful version (e.g. ooze -> greater ooze)

Upscaled content: increases enemy level by 3 (this indirectly results in +9 acc/defenses), and additionally iirc it adds +2 to their stats.

[Blades of Vanatar]

Easy enough without potions. Dual wielding, any ability that speeds you up (Frenzy, Swift Aim, Swift Strikes, Alacrity, Time Siphon) and speed enchantment or durgan steel plus Gauntlets of Swift Action and you're already under 0 recovery.

 

Although with potions it's a lot easier of course. And you don't necessarily have to consume potions of Alacrity. THere's also the potion of power which is much much cheaper and also speeds you up. Or even Svef...

 

Question about talents/abilities in general.

 

When you trigger Frenzy how long of a wait is it? Or better yet... how long does it delay you when initially triggered at combat start? I was thinking when I trigger Frenzy everyone is rushing forward while I'm standing still. How many attacks am I losing. Those initial attacks can be huge if you are using weapons that include CC effects.

[peddroelm]

Frenzy is one of the abilities that strongly encourages next 0 to ability recovery .  At 50 recovery (plate) you will lose a lot of the buff's duration waiting out the recovery for its activation. It also makes it hard to time the activation right (so you can attack with the bonus exactly when the enemies reach the barb ). 

 

Gulping DAOM before activating frenzy should eliminate frenzy's activation recovery completely ? 

 

EDIT: of course the speed bonus is suppressed .  

Edited January 6, 2017 by peddroelm

[Boeroer]

Or put on Sanguine Plate. No animation and no recovery.

[Blades of Vanatar]

Thanks guys.

 

I swear the answers some of you give so quickly and precisely it makes me think they need to change some of the deity names in PoE II to reflect the dedicated forum members.

[Elric Galad]

As DAoM doesn't stack with frenzy speed buff, I don't get why one would want to use both.

[JerekKruger]

As DAoM doesn't stack with frenzy speed buff, I don't get why one would want to use both.

 

Frenzy comes with a buff to Might and Constitution I guess (and perhaps importantly as a result, a pretty hefty buff to Fortitude), but otherwise it does seem rather redundant.

[Boeroer]

Because then the long recovery from casting Frenzy (which takes away dps and duration of frenzy) will be much shorter. Drinking a potion causes no recovery. I think that was the point.