Defining Social Justice Warrior

[BruceVC]

"identifying the whole of it with the most strident and caricaturesque of "right-wing" figures."

 

Kiddin' right? The left labels the right as racist, sexist, inhuman, etc. And,t hat is when theya re being kind. Both the left and right are trash. Theya re both scum.

Volo you shouldn't think about yourself as scum just because you are aligned to .....some weird Canadian right wing group that probably only exists in Canada 

 

You notice I never say Im scum because even though I'm aligned to the " left " I believe we do more good than bad 

[Hurlshort]

In our current climate, the only people that are not struggling to increase their wealth are the rich.  The rising tide seems to be only raising the luxury yachts.  How do we (re)grow the middle class?

[Guard Dog]

In our current climate, the only people that are not struggling to increase their wealth are the rich.  The rising tide seems to be only raising the luxury yachts.  How do we (re)grow the middle class?

In our current climate we are not growing our economy. Or even trying very hard to do so to tell the truth. If we want to turn that around a good start would be to elect some political leaders who haven't gone all-in on Keynesian economics and believe they can tax and spend our way into prosperity. I'm not talking about individual tax rates. Those are not that bad. I'm talking about the "cost of doing business" stuff that is driving employers overseas and nothing is taking their place.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

It's not about giving money to the rich. It about letting people keep more of the money they earn. Because they spend it, invest it, donate it, etc. Economic activity breeds economic activity.

 

 

Surely you must realize that somebody who needs the money to pay for basic amenities like housing, bills, food and clothing is more likely to spend it than literally anybody else. Giving money to people living below the poverty line is 100% sure to breed economic activity because they will die otherwise.

[Hurlshort]

 

In our current climate, the only people that are not struggling to increase their wealth are the rich.  The rising tide seems to be only raising the luxury yachts.  How do we (re)grow the middle class?

In our current climate we are not growing our economy. Or even trying very hard to do so to tell the truth. If we want to turn that around a good start would be to elect some political leaders who haven't gone all-in on Keynesian economics and believe they can tax and spend our way into prosperity. I'm not talking about individual tax rates. Those are not that bad. I'm talking about the "cost of doing business" stuff that is driving employers overseas and nothing is taking their place.

 

 

I live in an area that is experiencing economic prosperity.  Companies are growing quickly, labor is not being outsourced, etc.  I'm making six figures.  But then we look at the housing market and it is clear there is something wrong.  I can't buy a house.  I'm not talking about a mansion, I mean any single family home.  They are building them quickly, but more than half of them are being gobbled up by investors instead of single families.  They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford.  Then they are rented out for too much money for your bottom 20% to be able to afford, and more than half of the income of your typical middle class family.  Which in turn solidifies their inability to be able to afford to buy a home. 

 

It's just not a simple situation.

[BruceVC]

 

 

It's not about giving money to the rich. It about letting people keep more of the money they earn. Because they spend it, invest it, donate it, etc. Economic activity breeds economic activity.

 

 

Surely you must realize that somebody who needs the money to pay for basic amenities like housing, bills, food and clothing is more likely to spend it than literally anybody else. Giving money to people living below the poverty line is 100% sure to breed economic activity because they will die otherwise.

 

Yes of course thats true but the idea of wealth creation in a Capitalist society is suppose to be where your Capital is used to generate revenue

 

So for example owning shares and then getting dividends or investing in a property deal....but the reality is most people really work to just pay bills and they simply dont have excess money 

 

So for me I was fortunate my great grandfather really created the initial wealth and then his sons continued to manage the investment portfolios ..but without the initial wealth generation in the 1920's I would also be asking " how do people actually become wealthy " ...

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

It's not about giving money to the rich. It about letting people keep more of the money they earn. Because they spend it, invest it, donate it, etc. Economic activity breeds economic activity.

 

 

Surely you must realize that somebody who needs the money to pay for basic amenities like housing, bills, food and clothing is more likely to spend it than literally anybody else. Giving money to people living below the poverty line is 100% sure to breed economic activity because they will die otherwise.

 

Yes of course thats true but the idea of wealth creation in a Capitalist society is suppose to be where your Capital is used to generate revenue

 

 

I was under the impression that people paying for their food, bills and housing will inevitably generate revenue for someone.

[Hiro Protagonist]

I live in an area that is experiencing economic prosperity.  Companies are growing quickly, labor is not being outsourced, etc.  I'm making six figures.  But then we look at the housing market and it is clear there is something wrong.  I can't buy a house.  I'm not talking about a mansion, I mean any single family home.  They are building them quickly, but more than half of them are being gobbled up by investors instead of single families.  They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford.  Then they are rented out for too much money for your bottom 20% to be able to afford, and more than half of the income of your typical middle class family.  Which in turn solidifies their inability to be able to afford to buy a home. 

 

It's just not a simple situation.

 

Millions? If Gilroy Ca is where you're looking (according to your location), a quick google search comes up with a lot of houses and not in the millions.

[Chilloutman]

Way you keep economy growing is to make rich people spend money. Cut out tax heavens, force corporations to pay taxes where they earn revenue and prioritise lower taxes for these companies which invest into small business or welfare of own employes

[Meshugger]

 

 

In our current climate, the only people that are not struggling to increase their wealth are the rich.  The rising tide seems to be only raising the luxury yachts.  How do we (re)grow the middle class?

In our current climate we are not growing our economy. Or even trying very hard to do so to tell the truth. If we want to turn that around a good start would be to elect some political leaders who haven't gone all-in on Keynesian economics and believe they can tax and spend our way into prosperity. I'm not talking about individual tax rates. Those are not that bad. I'm talking about the "cost of doing business" stuff that is driving employers overseas and nothing is taking their place.

 

 

I live in an area that is experiencing economic prosperity.  Companies are growing quickly, labor is not being outsourced, etc.  I'm making six figures.  But then we look at the housing market and it is clear there is something wrong.  I can't buy a house.  I'm not talking about a mansion, I mean any single family home.  They are building them quickly, but more than half of them are being gobbled up by investors instead of single families.  They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford.  Then they are rented out for too much money for your bottom 20% to be able to afford, and more than half of the income of your typical middle class family.  Which in turn solidifies their inability to be able to afford to buy a home. 

 

It's just not a simple situation.

 

 

Where do you live with that kind of housing prices? San Fran/Bay area?

 

Also, I should ditch the private sector. A teacher making six figures annually? Oh yes.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

It's not about giving money to the rich. It about letting people keep more of the money they earn. Because they spend it, invest it, donate it, etc. Economic activity breeds economic activity.

 

 

Surely you must realize that somebody who needs the money to pay for basic amenities like housing, bills, food and clothing is more likely to spend it than literally anybody else. Giving money to people living below the poverty line is 100% sure to breed economic activity because they will die otherwise.

 

Yes of course thats true but the idea of wealth creation in a Capitalist society is suppose to be where your Capital is used to generate revenue

 

 

I was under the impression that people paying for their food, bills and housing will inevitably generate revenue for someone.

 

I mean Capital as in resources or investment not actual money, the majority of wealthy people I know did it slowly and through investments but your daily expenses are going to people who may be more  wealthy than you but that doesn't mean they wealthy

 

So in other words owning the local supermarket doesnt always  mean the person is well off ....but if he owns the supermarket which would cover daily expenses but also some good shares or other investments is normally the best way to increase wealth 

[BruceVC]

 

I live in an area that is experiencing economic prosperity.  Companies are growing quickly, labor is not being outsourced, etc.  I'm making six figures.  But then we look at the housing market and it is clear there is something wrong.  I can't buy a house.  I'm not talking about a mansion, I mean any single family home.  They are building them quickly, but more than half of them are being gobbled up by investors instead of single families.  They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford.  Then they are rented out for too much money for your bottom 20% to be able to afford, and more than half of the income of your typical middle class family.  Which in turn solidifies their inability to be able to afford to buy a home. 

 

It's just not a simple situation.

 

Millions? If Gilroy Ca is where you're looking (according to your location), a quick google search comes up with a lot of houses and not in the millions.

 

You guys in Oz dont care much for wealth hey Hiro?

 

Its more about the barbie or beers at the local beach right...it must be nice to have such little to motivate you 

[Gfted1]

Way you keep economy growing is to make rich people spend money. Cut out tax heavens, force corporations to pay taxes where they earn revenue and prioritise lower taxes for these companies which invest into small business or welfare of own employes

“I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”

 

― Winston S. Churchill 

 

Where do you live with that kind of housing prices? San Fran/Bay area?

 

Also, I should ditch the private sector. A teacher making six figures annually? Oh yes.

Property is super expensive in CA. Even combined with his wifes presumed 6-figure income, it could be tough.

[Malcador]

SJW always used to be the kind of person for whom the Warrior was ironic. Seems to be different these days.

[Hiro Protagonist]

You guys in Oz dont care much for wealth hey Hiro?

 

Its more about the barbie or beers at the local beach right...it must be nice to have such little to motivate you 

 

Huh? No idea what you're talking about. Time to lay off that marijuana Bruce.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Hiro Protagonist

[BruceVC]

 

You guys in Oz dont care much for wealth hey Hiro?

 

Its more about the barbie or beers at the local beach right...it must be nice to have such little to motivate you 

 

Huh? No idea what you're talking about.

 

Oh..sorry I have never  been to Oz,,,its just what I imagine ? Also think of how Crocodile Dundee lives in the wild ....with that hat ..and those corks 

[Hiro Protagonist]

Oh..sorry I have never  been to Oz,,,its just what I imagine ? Also think of how Crocodile Dundee lives in the wild ....with that hat ..and those corks 

 

Oh, trolling again. ok.

[Meshugger]

Property is super expensive in CA. Even combined with his wifes presumed 6-figure income, it could be tough.

 

 

I remember San Fran being ridicolously expensive when i was there, like a smaller house was in the lower million. In LA it was much more cheaper, not cheap for a finn of course, but still affordable enough for some kind of middle class to exist.

[BruceVC]

 

Oh..sorry I have never  been to Oz,,,its just what I imagine ? Also think of how Crocodile Dundee lives in the wild ....with that hat ..and those corks 

 

Oh, trolling again. ok.

 

Hiro, we need to establish something please. You obviously think Im perfect and I dont make mistakes ..but even I make mistakes

 

So if I say "I imagine you guys in Oz dont worry about wealth "  ...if its wrong then its okay for you to tell me that 

 

Dont hold me to such a high standard 

[Hiro Protagonist]

Hiro, we need to establish something please. You obviously think Im perfect and I dont make mistakes ..but even I make mistakes

 

So if I say "I imagine you guys in Oz dont worry about wealth "  ...if its wrong then its okay for you to tell me that 

 

Dont hold me to such a high standard 

 

Bruce, how does your post even remotely make any sense to my response to Hurlshot? Hurlshot said, "I'm making six figures". That's him I assume. Not combined with his wife.

And then Hurlshot goes on to say, "They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford."

 

A quick google search in his area according to his location on his profile comes up with these:

 

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Gilroy_CA/pg-1

http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Gilroy,CA/36.8534993825,37.2015930148,-122.032600647,-121.463371521_xy/11_zm/

 

Now I don't know what real estate websites Americans use, but these homes are not in the millions.

 

And then you come on and troll about Australians not caring about wealth. Again, how does this relate to earning 6 figures and not being able to buy a house?

[BruceVC]

 

Hiro, we need to establish something please. You obviously think Im perfect and I dont make mistakes ..but even I make mistakes

 

So if I say "I imagine you guys in Oz dont worry about wealth "  ...if its wrong then its okay for you to tell me that 

 

Dont hold me to such a high standard 

 

Bruce, how does your post even remotely make any sense to my response to Hurlshot? Hurlshot said, "I'm making six figures". That's him I assume. Not combined with his wife.

And then Hurlshot goes on to say, "They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford."

 

A quick google search in his area according to his location on his profile comes up with these:

 

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Gilroy_CA/pg-1

http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Gilroy,CA/36.8534993825,37.2015930148,-122.032600647,-121.463371521_xy/11_zm/

 

Now I don't know what real estate websites Americans use, but these homes are not in the millions.

 

And then you come on and troll about Australians not caring about wealth. Again, how does this relate to earning 6 figures and not being able to buy a house?

 

Now why would you assume that I wanted to ask Hurlshot something, he doesnt really respond to me on most posts which is how some forum members are to me 

 

So I normally dont bother to ask them too much....but what if I wanted to ask you a question and not Hurlshot

 

Is it so strange to make a direct post to you.....maybe people like to ask you questions?

[Chilloutman]

 

Way you keep economy growing is to make rich people spend money. Cut out tax heavens, force corporations to pay taxes where they earn revenue and prioritise lower taxes for these companies which invest into small business or welfare of own employes

“I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”

 

― Winston S. Churchill 

 

 

You probably understand me incorrectly. I am not saying you need to have more/bigger taxes. But any functional state have to have taxes. Its about from who you are taking money and how well you spend them. In short, if big players would pay taxes as they should, they would not have to be that big/affecting that much low income payers

[Gfted1]

The US income tax is already set up on a sliding scale where the poorest pay the least. But I do agree that a lot of loopholes and exemptions should be closed.

 

US tax brackets.

[Chilloutman]

The US income tax is already set up on a sliding scale where the poorest pay the least. But I do agree that a lot of loopholes and exemptions should be closed.

 

US tax brackets.

 

Loopholes are what I am talking about here, I am even for flat % rate when it comes to it.

[Hurlshort]

I work in Cupertino.  It is also important to keep in mind that the houses that are selling for under a million are the easiest for investors to gobble up, because they can go in with a cash offer.  

 

I used to live in Gilroy, but the commute was killing me.  

 

http://www.trulia.com/CA/Cupertino/

 

Honestly this isn't like some breaking news story.  The Bay Area is insane.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/03/07/san-francisco-housing-prices/