Gfted1 Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Rescind the offer and lower it...BRILLIANT! So what happens when he doesn't sign and re-enters the draft next year? Is San Diego just out of luck on that 1st round pick they spent on him or do they get an additional 1st round pick next year? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Bartimaeus Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) They get nothing. Bosa, on the other hand, is relatively in the clear after that. He probably won't be selected as high...but probably still somewhere in the first round. Additionally, they're not allowed to re-select him. The lesson here? Don't treat the overall #3 pick like crap for months on end, and then try to make up at the last second after they've already decided you're not worth playing for anymore. Edited August 24, 2016 by Bartimaeus 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
kgambit Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Rescind the offer and lower it...BRILLIANT! So what happens when he doesn't sign and re-enters the draft next year? Is San Diego just out of luck on that 1st round pick they spent on him or do they get an additional 1st round pick next year? The deadline for trading him has passed (Aug 9). The Chargers have until November 15th (Week 10) to sign him so he could play the remainder of the season. If that doesn't occur, they can still sign him before the end of the season but he can't play. If THAT fails, they lose his rights completely with NO compensation and Bosa re-enters the 2017 draft. 1
Gfted1 Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 No compensation for SD! That's a jagged pill to swallow considering first round picks can make or break a franchise for years. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
kgambit Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 No compensation for SD! That's a jagged pill to swallow considering first round picks can make or break a franchise for years. Yep. NBA is the same way and they don't offer compensatory picks for FA losses either. MLB offers compensatory picks for unsigned 1st or 2nd round selections and the NHL offers compensatory picks for any unsigned draft choice.
Gromnir Posted August 25, 2016 Author Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) bosa not signing with sd makes little economic sense. sit out a year and he won't go top 3 next year. even if bosa believes the sd offer is bad, whatever deal he gets this year will be better than what he gets offered next year. plus, money is worth more today than it is tomorrow. the millions he earns now, invested, will already be generating considerable income over the course o' the year. from an economics standpoint, there is no way bosa walks away from this as a winner. he lost the best deal he were gonna get, and now he can only mitigate his losses. 'course, these kinda negotiations is rare just 'bout the economics. am guessing that bosa would rather lose a big pile o' money than cave to sd's demands. will be interesting to see how this plays out. edit: a more balanced bosa article than we is seeing at espn and elsewhere. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/08/25/whos-to-blame-for-the-chargers-joey-bosa-fiasco-everyone/ HA! Good Fun! Edited August 25, 2016 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
ManifestedISO Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 Pretty decent pre-season drubbing of Cleveland by the Buccaneers. I suspect Tampa Bay is now happy not to know what it's like to experience A Day Without A Mexican kicker. All Stop. On Screen.
Bartimaeus Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) The Browns just have so very little quality depth, and some of their starters are pretty questionable, too. I can see them winning maybe a few games in the beginning of their schedule, but it's hard to see them finishing the season well (relatively speaking) after injuries have piled up on their better players. Edited August 27, 2016 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
ManifestedISO Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Should maybe clarify. I like Aguayo and appreciate his background. I'm dumb. Edited August 27, 2016 by ManifestedISO All Stop. On Screen.
Bartimaeus Posted August 27, 2016 Posted August 27, 2016 what the hell was that some chiefs defensive player just like near freaking totally deliberately broke connor shaw (bears' backup QB) leg in half that was brutal Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Gfted1 Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Tony Romo breaks bone in back, out until mid-season. Because, of course. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Bartimaeus Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 His back has been a ticking timebomb for a few years now...although it didn't actually break in the way expected in regards to his previous injuries, so uh...maybe that's good? Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
ShadySands Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 and I couldn't be happier Football season makes me a terrible person Free games updated 3/4/21
Bartimaeus Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Seriously? ._. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
ShadySands Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) Yes, I'm dead inside as soon as football season starts I stopped watching the NFL for a few years after cheering some random Cowboy injury. I don't want to be evil but when it comes to "America's team" I just can't help it Edited August 28, 2016 by ShadySands Free games updated 3/4/21
ManifestedISO Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Wow, Vikings new stadium, heck of a place. What's the difference between jealousy and envy ... All Stop. On Screen.
Bartimaeus Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 The only time I can ever seriously envisioning myself being happy that another player has been injured is when they have consistently attempted to hurt others. Brandon Meriweather, with his long history of headhunting...was headhunting Eddie Lacy in a...2013 game, I think it was, and then attempted to do so on our backup RB right after after Lacy was taken out of the game for a concussion caused by Meriweather. He ended up concussing himself instead. Have a little empathy, man. Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
ShadySands Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 I can't so I try to avoid most of the season and tune back in during the playoffs when it's safe Free games updated 3/4/21
Bartimaeus Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) shady i have faith in thee you can be a better man be the man you always wanted to be or at least the man you think you should probably be, ya' psycho Edited August 28, 2016 by Bartimaeus 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
the_dog_days Posted August 28, 2016 Posted August 28, 2016 Tony Romo breaks bone in back, out until mid-season. Because, of course. With all the back problems he's had, I wouldn't be surprise if he hung up the cleats after the season. He is like 36, after all.
Bartimaeus Posted August 29, 2016 Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) heeeeeeeeeeeeey bosa signed From what I'm reading, the chargers seemed to cave a little more than they did with their last best offer. Guess Bosa didn't feel like missing out on like an extra ten million dollars if he waited to get drafted next year. Fair enough - he put up a pretty good fight. Edited August 29, 2016 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
ManifestedISO Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M 2 All Stop. On Screen.
Bartimaeus Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 On Bosa's holdout..: 2 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Gromnir Posted August 30, 2016 Author Posted August 30, 2016 calling bs on the cartoon. is the signing bonus that is deferred. heck, Gromnir got a signing bonus from our current employer, and we actual had to wait six months to get it. with sd's offer, bosa would need wait 'til january to get a lion'e share o' his signing bonus... five months from now.] the washington post article we linked were surprising fair. can scroll back up and take a looksee. HA! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Bartimaeus Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) The entire point of the comic, I feel, is about what's standard in a given industry for a given position (and accounting for specific context, such as being a top "prospect" and thus typically deserving better than lesser prospects), not necessarily about specific details across industries themselves. Hmm, fair? Eh...regardless of its fairness, it's ultimately rather worthless, since it gave little actual specific details on the negotiating situation itself nor very much about precedent with other players, but rather more concerned itself with covering the general details and background for someone not familiar with this sort of situation or why the situation arose to begin with. The only specific details it really covered was parroting the line the Chargers PR trotted out about how it was "the highest initial signing bonus"...and then failed to mention the other major point of contention, the offset language. It also failed to mention how badly the Chargers lowballed him at the start, and how bloody long it took for them to start giving him even halfway decent offers. Instead, to counter, it really only mentioned how Bosa's agency vaguely called out the Chargers for being deceptive and misleading towards the public, and failed to provide any sort of insight on why that might be. I don't know, that doesn't seem that compelling of an argument in regards to fairness...but uh, I guess at least the tone of the article attempted to sound fair vs all the media idiots who immediately and mindlessly piled on Bosa, I suppose. Edited August 30, 2016 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
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