US Elections 2016

[Guard Dog]

There is an old saying "Don't allow the perfect to become the enemy of the good". The Republicans are long known for their failure to follow this nugget of wisdom. In fact I think Monday was an example. It's nice to see the Dems are not immune: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/clinton-sanders-2016-democrats-great-divide-213585?lo=ap_d2

[Wrath of Dagon]

One idea I love for Trump is to pick Fiorina.

No one likes her, nurse Ratched has a warmer and more genuine personality.

 

Interesting and accurate analysis of Cruz: http://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-top-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruz/

 

America under Sanders: http://www.hoover.org/research/enemy-state

 

Down with the kulaks -er- billionaires!

[Guard Dog]

 

One idea I love for Trump is to pick Fiorina.

No one likes her, nurse Ratched has a warmer and more genuine personality.

 

Interesting and accurate analysis of Cruz: http://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-top-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruz/

 

America under Sanders: http://www.hoover.org/research/enemy-state

 

Down with the kulaks -er- billionaires!

 

Well the idea there is that Trump is nominated has an outside shot of winning California in a general election. If that were possible it would be huge, stupendously huge. He could lose three of the five swing states and still win if he takes California. If it is possible a VP pick from there might help. There are few reliable conservatives who have statewide office or any personality clout in CA and I don't know if she even meets that description but she does have name recognition there and she completes the square on the whole "outsider" motif he's shooting for.

Edited February 4, 2016 by Guard Dog

[Barothmuk]

America under Sanders: http://www.hoover.org/research/enemy-state

 

Down with the kulaks -er- billionaires!

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[Hurlshort]

 

 

One idea I love for Trump is to pick Fiorina.

No one likes her, nurse Ratched has a warmer and more genuine personality.

 

Interesting and accurate analysis of Cruz: http://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-top-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruz/

 

America under Sanders: http://www.hoover.org/research/enemy-state

 

Down with the kulaks -er- billionaires!

 

Well the idea there is that Trump is nominated has an outside shot of winning California in a general election. If that were possible it would be huge, stupendously huge. He could lose three of the five swing states and still win if he takes California. If it is possible a VP pick from there might help. There are few reliable conservatives who have statewide office or any personality clout in CA and I don't know if she even meets that description but she does have name recognition there and she completes the square on the whole "outsider" motif he's shooting for.

 

 

Not sure how good Fiorina's political capital is in California, since she failed to beat Barbara Boxer.  But I can see the appeal.  She definitely fits the Trump style of coming from big business.  She's a better choice than Palin, for sure.    

[BruceVC]

Guys as much as I like Sanders his populist views around restructuring and reforming  big business and the financial sector in the USA concern me immensely....

 

 

Lets not mess with a core foundation of the USA economy. Wall Street is self-regulating and is already highly scrutinized and punished if necessary by institutions like SEC

 

We shouldn't want more government interference in this sector  

[Namutree]

Wall Street is self-regulating and is already highly scrutinized and punished if necessary by institutions like SEC

 

Bruce, have you been huffing paint?

Edited February 4, 2016 by Namutree

[BruceVC]

 

Wall Street is self-regulating and is already highly scrutinized and punished if necessary by institutions like SEC

 

Bruce, have you been huffing paint?

 

http://www.americanbanker.com/gallery/fine-predicament-bank-penalties-settlements-in-2015-so-far-1074827-1.html

 

No I'm at work and I am perfectly lucid 

 

There have been numerous fines imposed globally on various banks and investment firms. You can't expect the likes of JP Morgan or Barclay's to now close down because of financial irregularity committed by some of there staff....lets be reasonable and  not "throw the baby out with the bath water " 

 

The link I have provided should tell you just some of the overall penalties imposed 

[Barothmuk]

 

Someone with good MS Paint skills replace "Bernie Sanders" with "BruceVC"

Already done.

 

 

Bruce is more then welcome to correct but I'm pretty sure he is not a social democrat.

[Namutree]

 

 

Wall Street is self-regulating and is already highly scrutinized and punished if necessary by institutions like SEC

 

Bruce, have you been huffing paint?

 

http://www.americanbanker.com/gallery/fine-predicament-bank-penalties-settlements-in-2015-so-far-1074827-1.html

 

No I'm at work and I am perfectly lucid 

 

There have been numerous fines imposed globally on various banks and investment firms. You can't expect the likes of JP Morgan or Barclay's to now close down because of financial irregularity committed by some of there staff....lets be reasonable and  not "throw the baby out with the bath water " 

 

The link I have provided should tell you just some of the overall penalties imposed 

 

While throwing out the baby with the bath water would be a mistake; we've yet to throw out the bath water at all.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

Someone with good MS Paint skills replace "Bernie Sanders" with "BruceVC"

Already done.

Bruce is more then welcome to correct but I'm pretty sure he is not a social democrat.

He's mentioned a few times that his ideal is "a mix of capitalism and socialism like the nordic countries" which from what I've been able to understand is Capitalism with a welfare state. That's social democrats, or at least what they do when they're in power.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

America under Sanders: http://www.hoover.org/research/enemy-state

 

Down with the kulaks -er- billionaires!

Obligatory

 

 

Unlike the kulaks I've got assault rifles.

 

Edit: A long profile of Rubio: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/marco-rubio-profile-213275

 

The good stuff starts in the middle of page 5. Even an incident portrayed in "Scarface".

Edited February 5, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Someone with good MS Paint skills replace "Bernie Sanders" with "BruceVC"

Already done.

Bruce is more then welcome to correct but I'm pretty sure he is not a social democrat.

He's mentioned a few times that his ideal is "a mix of capitalism and socialism like the nordic countries" which from what I've been able to understand is Capitalism with a welfare state. That's social democrats, or at least what they do when they're in power.

 

Well yes in an ideal world I think the Nordic countries offer the best  balance of socialism and Capitalism for any government 

 

But can a system like that be realistically implemented in a place like the USA?  I doubt it  as  most Republicans are opposed to the concept of " big government interference" ....so even though I support the Nordic system of government it can't be implemented everywhere 

[Rostere]

More horror stories from the Republican side of the fence.

 

Somebody said that Rubio was a moderate? He's much, much further out on the fringe.

 

Kasich is probably the only moderate in the Republican primary, by the way.

 

You know something is ****ed up when you realize you prefer Bush III above the current "establishment choice" (Rubio), and that the leading establishment candidate's strategy is worse than Cruz' vague statements that he would "carpet bomb" ISIS "until the desert glows green".

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

Someone with good MS Paint skills replace "Bernie Sanders" with "BruceVC"

Already done.

Bruce is more then welcome to correct but I'm pretty sure he is not a social democrat.

He's mentioned a few times that his ideal is "a mix of capitalism and socialism like the nordic countries" which from what I've been able to understand is Capitalism with a welfare state. That's social democrats, or at least what they do when they're in power.

 

Well yes in an ideal world I think the Nordic countries offer the best  balance of socialism and Capitalism for any government 

 

But can a system like that be realistically implemented in a place like the USA?  I doubt it  as  most Republicans are opposed to the concept of " big government interference" ....so even though I support the Nordic system of government it can't be implemented everywhere 

 

 

The Nordic model does not work in the US for the reason of it being Nordic, as in it is a natural extension of the mindset in the countries there. As in it is taboo show off your riches; when making important decisions you always discuss it with your teammates before reaching final decision, uncontrollable joy is only acceptable when being drunk and it's important to feel shame on others behalf so that they can be really ashamed of themselves. None of those traits exist in the US or even remotely exemplify the american way of life, and that's why you cannot just insert the same kind of system there and expect the same results, because you won't.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Someone with good MS Paint skills replace "Bernie Sanders" with "BruceVC"

Already done.

Bruce is more then welcome to correct but I'm pretty sure he is not a social democrat.

He's mentioned a few times that his ideal is "a mix of capitalism and socialism like the nordic countries" which from what I've been able to understand is Capitalism with a welfare state. That's social democrats, or at least what they do when they're in power.

 

Well yes in an ideal world I think the Nordic countries offer the best  balance of socialism and Capitalism for any government 

 

But can a system like that be realistically implemented in a place like the USA?  I doubt it  as  most Republicans are opposed to the concept of " big government interference" ....so even though I support the Nordic system of government it can't be implemented everywhere 

 

 

The Nordic model does not work in the US for the reason of it being Nordic, as in it is a natural extension of the mindset in the countries there. As in it is taboo show off your riches; when making important decisions you always discuss it with your teammates before reaching final decision, uncontrollable joy is only acceptable when being drunk and it's important to feel shame on others behalf so that they can be really ashamed of themselves. None of those traits exist in the US or even remotely exemplify the american way of life, and that's why you cannot just insert the same kind of system there and expect the same results, because you won't.

 

Interesting assessment

[Meshugger]

 

Unlike the kulaks I've got assault rifles.

 

Edit: A long profile of Rubio: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/marco-rubio-profile-213275

 

The good stuff starts in the middle of page 5. Even an incident portrayed in "Scarface".

 

 

He admits that "Sleepless in Seattle" is his favourite movie on page six.

 

So if my spidersenses are correct, the guy is a humongous fruitcake trying to overcompensate for his Cuban machismo upbringing. No wonder the guy is an easy target for various interest groups and unscrupulous individuals who has no doubt some interesting dirt on him.

[Barothmuk]

 

 

Well yes in an ideal world I think the Nordic countries offer the best  balance of socialism and Capitalism for any government 

 

But can a system like that be realistically implemented in a place like the USA?  I doubt it  as  most Republicans are opposed to the concept of " big government interference" ....so even though I support the Nordic system of government it can't be implemented everywhere

The Nordic model does not work in the US for the reason of it being Nordic, as in it is a natural extension of the mindset in the countries there. As in it is taboo show off your riches; when making important decisions you always discuss it with your teammates before reaching final decision, uncontrollable joy is only acceptable when being drunk and it's important to feel shame on others behalf so that they can be really ashamed of themselves. None of those traits exist in the US or even remotely exemplify the american way of life, and that's why you cannot just insert the same kind of system there and expect the same results, because you won't.

 

Interesting assessment

 

Things are the way it is because it is the way it is. If it wasn't the way it is, it wouldn't be the way it is.

 

Where's my nobel prize in political science.

 

Also Clinton being booed

[HoonDing]

Cruz couldn't be more untrustworthy if he was named Mendoza.

[BruceVC]

Things are the way it is because it is the way it is. If it wasn't the way it is, it wouldn't be the way it is.

 

Where's my nobel prize in political science.

 

Also Clinton being booed

 

Its very immature to boo any political candidate..people must grow up and at least have the  respect to  allow people to debate and raise there points....unless there is booing of candidates like Trump, then its okay 

[Gorth]

Its very immature to boo any political candidate..people must grow up and at least have the  respect to  allow people to debate and raise there points....unless there is booing of candidates like Trump, then its okay 

I believe that IQ, like energy, is constant. The more people you add to a mob, the less there is to go around to each individual

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Bernie closes 30-point lead after Iowa

[Guard Dog]

I saw a bumper sticker today "Make a Democrat Cry: Be Happy"

 

[Rostere]

Hillary Clinton has said that she never, ever changed her opinions due to being massively funded by Wall Street interests.

 

Well, that is quickly debunked.

 

And to think that there are people who do not consider this particularly serious. There are huge and powerful organizations funding politicians, organizations who have the power to turn over the economy, and whose interests come at the expense of the taxpayers in the form of bailouts and tax loopholes. What interest do they have in funding candidates other than swaying these politicians to their side, or paying for the rise to power of one who is already their shill? If you don't think that there is a serious risk for a deficit in democracy here, then you deserve a corrupt society. There's a reason why the financial crisis in the US was handled in a way unlike any other country.

 

In Iceland, the bankers who were behind senseless speculation are behind bars, and their politician enablers are voted out of power. In the US, the public pays out of the taxpayer's pocket for the bailouts, and the politicians behind this are still slithering through the corridors of power. In Sweden, during the financial crisis in the early nineties, banks were nationalized and then re-privatized without any loss to the taxpayer. Why can't the US do better than any of these countries? Why do Americans keep voting for the same people who brought them carte blanche-socialism for big companies, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and so on?

[Wrath of Dagon]

Somebody said that Rubio was a moderate? He's much, much further out on the fringe.

Meh, as usual he's lying about most of his positions for the primary. The comparison to GWB is a good one.