Time Person of the Year : Angela Merkel

[BruceVC]

 

 

I wonder what the German women who have been raped by the flybitten savages in the refugee camp thinks of Merkel's award? Or those folks who are being threatened and told to cover up and adhere Islamic social mores think of it? But hey, why let the freedom and well being of citizens who have done no wrong get in the way of a good social justice cause right? I mean, so a few innocent women get raped and some hard working German citizens get threatened. to hell with them. Look are all the "good" that is being done by brining those people in.

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-Germany

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN0S02N220151006#mbdKS7KsXpA1sAVt.97

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ?

 

Nice to see Time awarding its person of the year to a Villain again.

What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain?

 

Bruce it isn't that they are just raping each other. There have been over a dozen instances of rape involving German women. That to me is more than enough reason. As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. If I have to choose between us and them I'm choosing us every time.

 

GD ...mmmm,,,,are you using that famous Tennessee hyperbole again?

 

So if someone said to you we will kill one American or nuke the whole of Syria ....what would you chose ?

[Guard Dog]

While the uber story is cool, it does make me even more uncomfortable with the idea of using an Uber driver.  

I have a permit and I carry a weapon everywhere except places where it isn't permitted or otherwise inappropriate. Everyone I meet or see is perfectly safe from my gun so long as they don't pull a weapon or try to kill me. Don't do either of those things and no one will ever even know I have it.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

I wonder what the German women who have been raped by the flybitten savages in the refugee camp thinks of Merkel's award? Or those folks who are being threatened and told to cover up and adhere Islamic social mores think of it? But hey, why let the freedom and well being of citizens who have done no wrong get in the way of a good social justice cause right? I mean, so a few innocent women get raped and some hard working German citizens get threatened. to hell with them. Look are all the "good" that is being done by brining those people in.

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-Germany

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN0S02N220151006#mbdKS7KsXpA1sAVt.97

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ?

 

Nice to see Time awarding its person of the year to a Villain again.

What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain?

 

Bruce it isn't that they are just raping each other. There have been over a dozen instances of rape involving German women. That to me is more than enough reason. As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. If I have to choose between us and them I'm choosing us every time.

 

GD ...mmmm,,,,are you using that famous Tennessee hyperbole again?

 

So if someone said to you we will kill one American or nuke the whole of Syria ....what would you chose ?

 

Bye bye Syria. In all seriousness, I served in the military and I was and still am more than willing to risk my own life to help someone but I will not risk someone else's. Especially when those receiving the help are so ungrateful for it. These people act like the basest of savages in the home country and practice a religions that teaches them it is perfectly ok to rape infidel women. Why are we surprised when we bring them into other countries and they do the same thing? Why is that so hard to understand.? Granted most of them have better decency than that but I would not risk the safety of one innocent American to find out if the ones I'm helping are the decent ones.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Guard Dog

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the German women who have been raped by the flybitten savages in the refugee camp thinks of Merkel's award? Or those folks who are being threatened and told to cover up and adhere Islamic social mores think of it? But hey, why let the freedom and well being of citizens who have done no wrong get in the way of a good social justice cause right? I mean, so a few innocent women get raped and some hard working German citizens get threatened. to hell with them. Look are all the "good" that is being done by brining those people in.

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-Germany

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN0S02N220151006#mbdKS7KsXpA1sAVt.97

I don't mean to sound dismissive because rapes are terrible but the reality of cases of rape in the refugee camps amongst the refugees isnt enough to really deter the overall strategy? In other words I imagine crime is fairly common in these refuge camps ?

 

Nice to see Time awarding its person of the year to a Villain again.

What....why don't you like Merkel? How is she a villain?

 

Bruce it isn't that they are just raping each other. There have been over a dozen instances of rape involving German women. That to me is more than enough reason. As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. If I have to choose between us and them I'm choosing us every time.

 

GD ...mmmm,,,,are you using that famous Tennessee hyperbole again?

 

So if someone said to you we will kill one American or nuke the whole of Syria ....what would you chose ?

 

Bye bye Syria

 

 you cold buddy....you cold...but you make me laugh

[aluminiumtrioxid]

As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. 

 

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics?

[BruceVC]

 

As I have posted before I would not trade the life of a single American citizen if it would save every man woman and child in Syria. 

 

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics?

 

alum I meant to ask you this earlier, how systemic and or real is this resentment towards the Syrians in Hungary

 

I have come across a few views that highlight how badly some refugees get treated in Hungary. What is the general  view in Hungary towards these refugees ?

[Bartimaeus]

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics?

Isn't that kind of irrelevant? I mean, with a statement like his, it's clearly more about nationality and protecting one's own (rather than those on the other side of the planet) than ideology or religion or anything else, right?

Edited December 10, 2015 by Bartimaeus

[aluminiumtrioxid]

alum I meant to ask you this earlier, how systemic and or real is this resentment towards the Syrians in Hungary

 

 

I have come across a few views that highlight how badly some refugees get treated in Hungary. What is the general  view in Hungary towards these refugees ?

 

Eh, define "general".

 

Fidesz cronies are obviously going to be spouting the "they're here to take away our jobs and defile our wymminz" rhetorics, but they're not exactly the majority of the populace.

 

 

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics?

Isn't that kind of irrelevant? I mean, with a statement like his, it's clearly more about nationality and protecting one's own (rather than those on the other side of the planet) than ideology or religion or anything else, right?

 

 

I'm not sure, only one way to find out!

 

Hence the question.

[Darkpriest]

I am sorry, life is not fair, I will not risk a single life of my countrymen in a trade off for what? feeling morally superior? that feeling will not help you when you will get crippled or someone from your family will die due to some terrorist action.

 

Time and time again, if you want to help them so badly, take one family into YOUR own house at YOUR own expense. I support helping them, but the help is to be provided in their home, not mine and those dear to me, and certainly not at a cost of safety.

 

some people are born into rich familites, some people are born in safer and richer countries. Some people get rich and start of poor, why the same logic cannot apply to those countries? If they will work hard on that, they will develop, if they are not interested in that, then sorry, let them rot in there, i have no need for lazy people that cannot work for their better future in their own place of life. I have no respect for all those who decided to run like rats instead of standing and fight for the well being of their country and their land.

 

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

 

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up?

 

Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me.

[Darkpriest]

 

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

 

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up?

 

Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me.

 

 

i did work hard to get where i am, yes, and yes, i remember how my father also put effrot into buildign what we had, as well as my two garndafthers fighting in the war, so i can tell you keep your moral preaching for yourself and speak for yourself, if you so like to bend over, take them to your own backyard.

[BruceVC]

I am sorry, life is not fair, I will not risk a single life of my countrymen in a trade off for what? feeling morally superior? that feeling will not help you when you will get crippled or someone from your family will die due to some terrorist action.

 

Time and time again, if you want to help them so badly, take one family into YOUR own house at YOUR own expense. I support helping them, but the help is to be provided in their home, not mine and those dear to me, and certainly not at a cost of safety.

 

some people are born into rich familites, some people are born in safer and richer countries. Some people get rich and start of poor, why the same logic cannot apply to those countries? If they will work hard on that, they will develop, if they are not interested in that, then sorry, let them rot in there, i have no need for lazy people that cannot work for their better future in their own place of life. I have no respect for all those who decided to run like rats instead of standing and fight for the well being of their country and their land.

 

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

In the old days I would have felt the need to correct you and explain what you don't understand about sovereignty and why you need to embrace refugees

 

But I now believe that its fine for any country to decide they dont want refugees. And it shouldnt become a big deal, there are also other historical and social reasons that the East European countries would be even less likely to want refugees.

 

But old Europe can definitely take in some and of course the socially advanced  countries like Sweden and Denmark

 

 

 

alum I meant to ask you this earlier, how systemic and or real is this resentment towards the Syrians in Hungary

 

 

I have come across a few views that highlight how badly some refugees get treated in Hungary. What is the general  view in Hungary towards these refugees ?

 

Eh, define "general".

 

Fidesz cronies are obviously going to be spouting the "they're here to take away our jobs and defile our wymminz" rhetorics, but they're not exactly the majority of the populace.

 

I mean average the Hungarian citizen 

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

 

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up?

 

Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me.

 

 

i did work hard to get where i am, yes, and yes, i remember how my father also put effrot into buildign what we had, as well as my two garndafthers fighting in the war, so i can tell you keep your moral preaching for yourself and speak for yourself, if you so like to bend over, take them to your own backyard.

 

 

Make your bloody mind up already, did you get where you are today because "you worked hard", or because you had what your father painstakingly built up during his life? 

 

(Also, I somehow doubt you'd remember your two "garndafthers" fighting in the war, given you haven't even been born at the time, but hey.)

[Darkpriest]

 

 

 

Our grandfathers and fathers fought for our current freedoms and built the safety for US, they shed the blood and sweat for it often giving up lives when it comes to European countries and building up from the war devastation. They had the guts to do so, unlike thos spineless weasels and stinking rats waiting to abuse our societies and in some cases kill our own friends or family. Thank you, but no.

 

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up?

 

Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me.

 

 

i did work hard to get where i am, yes, and yes, i remember how my father also put effrot into buildign what we had, as well as my two garndafthers fighting in the war, so i can tell you keep your moral preaching for yourself and speak for yourself, if you so like to bend over, take them to your own backyard.

 

 

Make your bloody mind up already, did you get where you are today because "you worked hard", or because you had what your father painstakingly built up during his life? 

 

(Also, I somehow doubt you'd remember your two "garndafthers" fighting in the war, given you haven't even been born at the time, but hey.)

 

 

actually both, my father managed to get us to a state where we could have entered higher education, and from there on i acquired other things on my own, sometimes working to the brink of exhaustion.

 

I honor my grandfathers and had a pleasure of (that not so many had chance to actually share)  being able to see both of them alive as they both sruvived the war, one badly injured, another reaching Berlin. If they would not be there and others would feel like not fighting, I would probably not exist and not have the opportunites as they are.

 

Again, decide for your own house and your own family, if you so want to help, nothing stops you from taking some into your own house, or perhaps suddenly you feel that its a bit too much for you, so you resort to hypocrisy and yapping for the sake of yapping without doing anything? Be a shining example, and help on your own, instead of just being a smartass and saying that others should help, but with your "moral" support.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Darkpriest

[aluminiumtrioxid]

actually both, my father managed to get us to a state where we could have entered higher education, and from there on i acquired other things on my own, sometimes working to the brink of exhaustion.

 

 

 

And you see nothing wrong with basically taking a giant verbal **** on people who weren't in a position to enter higher education?

 

Your sheer arrogance is what pisses me off. In your mind, everybody who hasn't achieved what you have must have done so through some moral failing on their part, and not because you started out with advantages they haven't had. It's almost like you're incapable of understanding how little individual effort counts in the grand scheme of things, even when that individual effort is working to the brink of exhaustion. 

 

 

 

Again, decide for your own house and your own family, if you so want to help, nothing stops you from taking some into your own house, or perhaps suddenly you feel that its a bit too much for you, so you resort to hypocrisy and yapping for the sake of yapping without doing anything? 

 

 

Did I say anything about helping? No, all I said was "maybe people who coasted through life thanks to the effort of their fathers and grandfathers have no business judging other people who come from a situation the like of which they haven't experienced, and especially have no business doing so by talking up the sacrifices of their fathers and grandfathers, because seriously how much of a dunderhead do you have to be in order to feel moral superiority over someone based on achievements you personally had nothing to do with?".

 

But apparently that fancy higher education didn't help you much with reading comprehension.

[Darkpriest]

No, life is not fair, never was and never will be. While i was not personally involved into what my family done for me, I can only work to make sure that others that I care for will get the same advantage and make sure that the work they did will be continued. That's how successful societies are built.

 

I will not get into personal trips any further so good riddance, sit on your high morality and enjoy it. Although it might have difficulty when it will be surrounded by cheap opportunitists or even simple pargmatics.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

No, life is not fair

 

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is".

[Malcador]

Why change it ? It's a competition for limited things, in most areas and you're not always going to win. We have to live life as it is, not as it should be after all.

 

To be fair to GD, that is a good argument to have - was one of the reasons I had for not wanting the US to go to Iraq - as it encourages a less interventionist US. Of course, with the US at the level it is in the global game, that's fantasy

Edited December 10, 2015 by Malcador

[Darkpriest]

 

No, life is not fair

 

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is".

 

 

Why? there are limited resources, even the most simple ones like the living space and fertile ground, where the number of humans can grow into infinity. Until the moment of discovering perpetum mobile for energy and production and increasing the scope for possible settlement (like seas, space, etc.) there will never be something called "fair". the most "fair" you can get is what you have now, i.e. the amount of work you and those before you put into what you can achieve for those that will come after you.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Darkpriest

[aluminiumtrioxid]

We have to live life as it is, not as it should be after all.

 

If humanity collectively believed that, we'd still be living in caves, you do realize that, right?

[BruceVC]

No, life is not fair, never was and never will be. While i was not personally involved into what my family done for me, I can only work to make sure that others that I care for will get the same advantage and make sure that the work they did will be continued. That's how successful societies are built.

 

I will not get into personal trips any further so good riddance, sit on your high morality and enjoy it. Although it might have difficulty when it will be surrounded by cheap opportunitists or even simple pargmatics.

I don't know, my life is fair?

 

What does that really mean ....do we have an expectation that life owes us something?

[Darkpriest]

 

No, life is not fair, never was and never will be. While i was not personally involved into what my family done for me, I can only work to make sure that others that I care for will get the same advantage and make sure that the work they did will be continued. That's how successful societies are built.

 

I will not get into personal trips any further so good riddance, sit on your high morality and enjoy it. Although it might have difficulty when it will be surrounded by cheap opportunitists or even simple pargmatics.

I don't know, my life is fair?

 

What does that really mean ....do we have an expectation that life owes us something?

 

 

it is the "fair" outcome of actions of your parents, grandparents, and society before you. You can argue that perhaps it was not very nice for others, who lost their chances in the process, but in the reality of limited resources, someone has to lose for someone other to gain.

 

your life does not owe you anything, your children, friends, neighbours, might owe you depending on your actions and what reality you might want to create for them, but there will be always someone on the "losing" side.

[Barothmuk]

 

No, life is not fair

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is".

 

Changing the way it is wouldn't be fair.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

No, life is not fair

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is".

 

Changing the way it is wouldn't be fair.

 

 

For whom?

[Barothmuk]

For whom?

Little Timmy who wants his third yacht for Christmas.