Nonek Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I wonder how Mr Ren will remain a threat in the next movie of this trilogy? After all he was beaten quite handily by Ray at the end of their duel, though one supposes that might have been Mr Skywalker manipulating her, with all the close up of the eyes and whatnot. Still it seems to be a stumble in maintaining old horse face as a credible antagonist. Edit: The First Order speech, somebody should have pointed the gentlemen to Brian Cox' performance in Killzone, probably the high point of that whole series. Edited December 29, 2015 by Nonek Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 Handily? Even with her sudden magical Force powerup, she only beat him because he was bleeding profusely, limping, unfocused from the act of killing his father, and winded because she was his second opponent (the first of which landed a lucky hit) and briefly let his guard down to try to seduce her to the dark side. I assume none of that will be a factor next time, and next time he will apparently have "completed his training" as the giant Wizard of Oz hologram said. That being said, I highly doubt he'll be a straight villain. Teenage villain with daddy issues obsessed with restoring his family honor and a conflict of good and evil inside him? His "conflict" is going to get played up and eventually he'll be a reluctant hero. In essence, he's Prince Zuko from that Avatar cartoon. He's even got the hair, and Rey gave him the scar to match. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I am surprised Finn didn't lose his spine Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Ok, I've managed to stay away from the spoilers (aside of ****ing retarded DotA twitch chat "Han solo died") and watched the movie today. I had a blast, i watched it in the 4D theater, so all the fancy stuff like 3D view, smell of smoke, flashes of light, sprinkling water, wind in the hair, and moving/vibrating arm chair (super awesome in aerial fights). I enjoyed the movie, however there were a few scenes that did seem a bit "meh", BUT there were just the few, and this is a huge upgrade in quality of the series after the episodes I-III. I did not really get how Rey started to power up in some scenes or was acquiring random knowledge, like the mind trick, what was not easy for previous initiates, and usually only trained jedi masters were able to do it. Sad to see Harrison Ford go away so early in the trilogy, but i guess someone had to take the dying teacher role of Obi-wan from ep. IV, and the long hair dude from ep. I. and Han was the perfect fit. Also fitting that he died when he finally stopped running from responsibilities and grown up to being a father. Mentality of old Solo died a few moments before, when he decided to step out of that shadow, the body just followed. I'm still getting some vibes that the Finn guy is also some sort of force sensitive person, but i guess that will get covered later on. So bets are, that Rey is Luke's daughter? right? We just do not know the mommy? So, what are the bets for the next doomsday machine? I mean, it will be hard to top a ****ing gun shooting energy of stars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Handily? Even with her sudden magical Force powerup, she only beat him because he was bleeding profusely, limping, unfocused from the act of killing his father, and winded because she was his second opponent (the first of which landed a lucky hit) and briefly let his guard down to try to seduce her to the dark side. I assume none of that will be a factor next time, and next time he will apparently have "completed his training" as the giant Wizard of Oz hologram said. That being said, I highly doubt he'll be a straight villain. Teenage villain with daddy issues obsessed with restoring his family honor and a conflict of good and evil inside him? His "conflict" is going to get played up and eventually he'll be a reluctant hero. Hmmm I didn't see it that way, his wounds were powering his rage Sith style, thus why the chap kept exacerbating them by hitting his wounded side, he had finally found focus and made a decision by slaying his father, and to be honest I felt he was just playing with Finn. He might be busy completing his training, but Ray beat him totally untrained and will have Lukes tutelage next time they meet (one assumes,) so the odds are she'll humiliate him then as well. If I were the director at that point i'd have had the splitting apart planet save Ray, instead of the other way around, and maintain some sense of inherent danger in Mr Ren. It would be more refreshing I think to not see him follow a Vader arc, but commit himself fully to the Sith doctrine, and be somewhat of a surprise to break away from what was a rather derivative first showing. However I acknowledge your scenario is far more likely. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/ 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/ Well thank goodness for that, the film was already too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What? It could last 40min more and i would barely notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 If anything I felt it was rushing too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well congrats for you people and your strong bladders. Seriously though, the film needs to appeal to a new generation. Making it 3 hours is a good way to lose that. I was fairly surprised that both my children stuck it out to the end, but you add another half hour and they might as well make it two movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Intermissions seem to be the obvious solution, when were they dispensed with? Edited December 30, 2015 by Nonek Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well congrats for you people and your strong bladders. Seriously though, the film needs to appeal to a new generation. Making it 3 hours is a good way to lose that. I was fairly surprised that both my children stuck it out to the end, but you add another half hour and they might as well make it two movies. There's a reason the only movie that didn't flinch from opening the same week was the new Alvin and the Chipmunks, and that reason isn't that this PG-13 Star Wars movie makes a lot of money from children too young to hold their bladders. Box-office comes from teens and young adults - especially those who can use their money to see a film multiple times. You're right that the new Star Wars needs to appeal to your kids but that's not going to happen in a cineplex. They're not even expecting kids under twelve to be there. judging by how terrible the theatre experience is for parents, how much the cost of taking a family to the movies has risen and that a lot of theatres have stopped having intermissions for the kids to take a leak, I'm pretty sure they're actively dissuading you from taking your kids there. Reminds me of a story that I was told when I did some work for a company that made a kid's show once that was an excuse to sell toys, and when they did focus testing most of the kids couldn't even remember seeing the show... but they had the toys. Unless the movie is super boring, they'll want to see it because they like the toys and not the other way around. You think they need a theatre experience to feel the magic of Star Wars? Those Clone Wars toys and legos certainly aren't selling as well as they are because your kids' generation isn't feeling Star Wars, and neither are Hobbit toys and legos selling well because the movies were too long to appeal to them. Jurassic Park isn't so well-remembered by my generation because kids my age were riveted by Jeff Goldblum explaining the ethical dangers of cloning for twenty minutes in a board room, it's because it had some bits with dinosaurs and we loved the toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well that was weird, forum ate my post, swore I saw it here. Anyway, just was that 3 hours isn't always 3 hours to an observer. TFA flowed quick, so it didn't even feel like the 2 hours it was. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 I think Hurl's objections were less about pacing and more about the practicality of kids having to go to the toilet when there's no intermission. But I agree. Fellowship of the Ring (178 minutes) isn't nearly as long as Wrath of the Titans (99 minutes). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 That's why you don't take kids. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 It's more about attention span. I just watched a 3 hour Tarantino film that was slow as heck, but I'm an adult, and I can handle that. A Star Wars movie as a rule needs to be accessible to a new generation, and you typically don't get that when your movies are super long. I'd argue that Lord of the Rings is aiming for an older audience, one that can read the fairly hefty books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I just got back from a second showing, my 5-year old did great. There are a few scenes that really got me a bit emotional, even on a second viewing. They were handled extremely well: 1. The moment when Rey mentally fights back against Kylo Ren. I was impressed at how much they packed into two people staring at each other. 2. Kylo and Han on the bridge. This is obviously a very important moment, one that could have been botched easily, but it was done right. 3. Rey finding Luke. It was an awesome end. It had my 5 year-old on the edge of his seat after a 2 and a half hour movie. That's special. Tbh. I lol'd at all three of them. 1 "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I just got back from a second showing, my 5-year old did great. There are a few scenes that really got me a bit emotional, even on a second viewing. They were handled extremely well: 1. The moment when Rey mentally fights back against Kylo Ren. I was impressed at how much they packed into two people staring at each other. 2. Kylo and Han on the bridge. This is obviously a very important moment, one that could have been botched easily, but it was done right. 3. Rey finding Luke. It was an awesome end. It had my 5 year-old on the edge of his seat after a 2 and a half hour movie. That's special. Tbh. I lol'd at all three of them. tbh you are also dead inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 That island which Luke was hiding upon, I was reminded of the small Monk Isles off of the Scottish and Irish coast, where they pursued their faith from an almost hermit like existence. I wonder if it was filmed upon one of them. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I just got back from a second showing, my 5-year old did great. There are a few scenes that really got me a bit emotional, even on a second viewing. They were handled extremely well: 1. The moment when Rey mentally fights back against Kylo Ren. I was impressed at how much they packed into two people staring at each other. 2. Kylo and Han on the bridge. This is obviously a very important moment, one that could have been botched easily, but it was done right. 3. Rey finding Luke. It was an awesome end. It had my 5 year-old on the edge of his seat after a 2 and a half hour movie. That's special. Tbh. I lol'd at all three of them. 2 and 3 got a laugh, 2 because of the spotlight and way everything pauses for..The Moment. 3 because the staring went on way too long, became sort of creepy and awkward. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 That island which Luke was hiding upon, I was reminded of the small Monk Isles off of the Scottish and Irish coast, where they pursued their faith from an almost hermit like existence. I wonder if it was filmed upon one of them. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/29/travel/stars-wars-force-awakens-island-skellig-michael/ 1 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I just got back from a second showing, my 5-year old did great. There are a few scenes that really got me a bit emotional, even on a second viewing. They were handled extremely well: 1. The moment when Rey mentally fights back against Kylo Ren. I was impressed at how much they packed into two people staring at each other. 2. Kylo and Han on the bridge. This is obviously a very important moment, one that could have been botched easily, but it was done right. 3. Rey finding Luke. It was an awesome end. It had my 5 year-old on the edge of his seat after a 2 and a half hour movie. That's special. Tbh. I lol'd at all three of them. 2 and 3 got a laugh, 2 because of the spotlight and way everything pauses for..The Moment. 3 because the staring went on way too long, became sort of creepy and awkward. 2 got a laugh out of me thanks to the "I want to be free of this pain" line, which, coupled with the actor's looks, totally made me think "emo teenager". ...Kylo Ren in general was a source of laughs, especially at the time when he got shot by a bowcaster (which we've seen to straight-up blow up stormtroopers earlier), which immediately conjured the Black Knight and his catchphrase, "'TIS BUT A FLESH WOUND" to mind. 3 "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Reading things like that just makes me think I'm really good at suspending disbelief for purposes of a movie because none of those moments bothered me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Reading things like that just makes me think I'm really good at suspending disbelief for purposes of a movie because none of those moments bothered me. I prefer to think of it as "enrichening the experience", not "bothering" After all, everything is better with Monty Python references. "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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