Journalism and Bias in the Gaming Industry

[Blarghagh]

Continued from here: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/78374-journalism-and-bias-in-the-gaming-industry/page-38

 

For the uninitiated: The 'Gamergate' controversy was sparked in early 2013, as the release of Zoe Quinn's "Depression Quest" was criticized from gamers who believed that the game had received a suspicious amount of attention in relation to it's quality and scope. Eron Gjoni (Zoe's ex boyfriend) wrote a blogpost accusing Quinn of having had an affair with Kotaku journalist Grayson, prompting the critics to conclude that the attention and success of "Depression Quest" was due in part to unfair bias and nepotism in the industry.

 

Several articles from both sides of the issue has highlighted inconsistencies in the stories of both Grayson, Quinn and Eron as well as the many other examples that have followed.

 

Gamergate is wideley seen in the public, as a culture war over the diversification of gaming, artistic recognition and social criticism of video games and the gamer social identity.

 

For the posters in this thread:

Many bloggers and populists have tried to steer the discussion into areas they feel are the underlying issue - ranging from simple bias, to widespread misogny or misandry. I would however prefer that we keep this discussion as objective and clean as possible and so I will be keeping an a extra close eye on this thread. This certainly does not mean that you may not discuss any issue you feel, but rather that you should be thoughtful of  how  you discuss it with those you disagree with.

 

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[Volourn]

"Remember not all SJW have the same objectives or motives. SJ is a varied movement that does mean different things to some people so we wouldn't all agree on criticisms"

 

Remember not all gamers of GG have the same objectives or motives. Gamers of GG is a varied movement that does mean different things to some people so we wouldn't all agree on criticisms of all things.

[Hurlshort]

Well we have zero SJW's here, and a fairly robust group of GGers, so yeah.

[Volourn]

"Well we have zero SJW's here, "

 

Kiddin' right? L0L

[Hurlshort]

Nope

[BruceVC]

"Remember not all SJW have the same objectives or motives. SJ is a varied movement that does mean different things to some people so we wouldn't all agree on criticisms"

 

Remember not all gamers of GG have the same objectives or motives. Gamers of GG is a varied movement that does mean different things to some people so we wouldn't all agree on criticisms of all things.

 

Yes I agree on that point and recognize it, of course not everyone who supports GG has the same objectives...some people are more extreme than others 

[Volourn]

"Nope"

 

You calling Bruce a liar? He proudly proclaims to his SJWness. WHO ARE YOU TO SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF FOR WHAT GROUP HE IS A PART OF!?!

[Hurlshort]

Bruce can be called a lot of things, but if you are calling Bruce an SJW, you aren't paying much attention.

[Volourn]

He calls himself a SJW. Are you mansplaining on his behalf?

 

 

For a guy who goes on how he's a 'nice guy' you sure like calling others liars.

 

Bruce is a self admitted SJW. Your opinion on the matter means SQUAT as it doesn't change that fact.

Edited May 19, 2015 by Volourn

[Hurlshort]

Roofles!

[Zoraptor]

Dude! r00fles

 

Meh, if a gater is a self proclaimed title then I see no reason why sjw can't be either. It's not like there's a proscriptive taxonomic system* for various types of social activism. And in any case, Tale self identified as a skellington as well in the Twitcher thread.

 

*would be something like iustitia bellator communalis var piscatorius ad infinitum for Bruce, if there were.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

The best label for Bruce is "troll". Specifically an oby type that pretends to be a stereotypical liberal instead of a Russian. You should just ignore the bait.

[Volourn]

Why would I ignore bait that is so delicious?  Don't ruin my internet!

[Zoraptor]

The best label for Bruce is "troll".

 

But if you say it in Latin it sounds 92% more authoritative, even if it's doggerel Latin you barely remember from a decade+ ago with at least one obvious mistake even I've picked up on belatedly- along with the realisation that using retiarius (the gladiator type with the net) would have saved half the words.

 

I just wish the arguments with him were a little less repetitive and a bit more constructive.

[Hurlshort]

Honestly I think Bruce is a stand up guy in most of the other threads around here.  He's got a positive attitude and he is always looking to cheer people on.  It's like he's been cast as a villain here because there aren't any better candidates, and he's just rolled with it.   

[Volourn]

 "It's like he's been cast as a villain here because there aren't any better candidates, and he's just rolled with it.   "
 

Kiddin' right?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

But if you say it in Latin it sounds 92% more authoritative, even if it's doggerel Latin you barely remember from a decade+ ago with at least one obvious mistake even I've picked up on belatedly- along with the realisation that using retiarius (the gladiator type with the net) would have saved half the words.

 

I just wish the arguments with him were a little less repetitive and a bit more constructive.

Don't we all.

[Hurlshort]

 "It's like he's been cast as a villain here because there aren't any better candidates, and he's just rolled with it.   "

 

Kiddin' right?

 

Nope.

[BruceVC]

Honestly I think Bruce is a stand up guy in most of the other threads around here.  He's got a positive attitude and he is always looking to cheer people on.  It's like he's been cast as a villain here because there aren't any better candidates, and he's just rolled with it.  

 

I like that sentiment and there is some truth to that. I have been forced to accept certain characterizations because people go on and on about it 

 

For example I do care about  many SJ causes but I only started accepting the whole " SJW "  label because people kept on calling me that...so good post Hurlshot 

[kirottu]

 

From NZGamer's Wither 3 review.

 

Or perhaps he meant face instead of navel. We can't have women showing their faces around. That's sexists after all.

Edited May 20, 2015 by kirottu

[kirottu]

Off Topic, but thou shalt not hire wrong feminist advisor for your movies. There can be only one and her name is Saint Anita.

[BruceVC]

Off Topic, but thou shalt not hire wrong feminist advisor for your movies. There can be only one and her name is Saint Anita.

 

 

Oh you guys live to find offensive and annoying comments from Anita...what would motivate you in a world where she didn't exist ?

Edited May 20, 2015 by BruceVC

[Calax]

I feel like Anita's the type of woman who's fighting for female rights in public, but has her boyfriend/husband/whoever totally dominate her in private.

[BruceVC]

I feel like Anita's the type of woman who's fighting for female rights in public, but has her boyfriend/husband/whoever totally dominate her in private.

 

 

Maybe...but I doubt it 

[Fighter]

I just love her attitude. "This isn't feminism! I decide what feminism is!"