It's not anywhere near the old ones. It's sort of dumbed down for "today's generation" or whatever, where broad appeal is more important than uniqueness or true memorability. I wouldn't even say it's dumbed down, it's just that the designer was not smart or elegant enough to touch on what made the old ones great, and had some really silly ideas of what makes a good rpg (for example in one interview he writes about how the player should be able to wear whatever he thinks looks cool and it'll still be good, because we don't want to hamper his sense of fashion), totally breaking the underlying system.

It's not his fault, it's impossible to suddenly turn into a Chris Avellone, but whatever. In the end, it's just not nearly as good.

 

 

All in all, you could compare it to maybe Divinity: Original Sin, because both have a so-so story, but where P:OE REALLY fails is the mechanics. The stat system, the combat system, everything that is about playing a fun game, is probably the poorest implementation I've seen in a serious RPG, whereas D:OS outshines most other RPGs in that area, making it a really good game

When you say old rpg gamers only do mean that I have to be old, or the rpg's I like have to be old.

 

Cuz I'm not old. I'm 24.

 

I like old school rpgs though.

 

Can I contribute?

Young man how dare you interrupt??

 

Now back to your room and play some more NWN/BG

And you won't regret it. It is indeed a wonderful game with a great story, tonnes of stuff to do and explore and deal with. The atmosphere alone is fantastic, IMHO. I have a hard time comparing it to the CRPG classics, but I'd merrily go as far as to say that it certainly is at par with BG1 and NWN2 OC, for instance. Also, don't forget that it's only been out for a month now, so the room for fine-tuning and patching is very generous, and when those expansions and perhaps even PoE2 will land in the foreseeable future, I bet this will be a true classic, standing the test of time and all.

Edited April 26, 201511 yr by IndiraLightfoot

It's a nice game if you don't look to closely at any of it's components. There is however probably not a part of the game that doesn't need some serious work done. One only can hope that Obsidian will try and improve on it, rather then releasing the same thing again with possible expansions and sequels.

For me it ranks better than the BGs and the IWDs by a fair amount, though I prefer PS:T overall.

 

PoE is definitely not without its faults (neither is Fallout, my all-time favorite game, or PS:T for that matter), not at all. But I can safely count it among one of my all-time favorite RPGs

 

So, the majority of IWD/BG veterans hate POE? Serious question, can we get some statistics on this that don't point to this group being a "handful of people"?

For what it's worth, general notion from three RPG dedicated boards I poke in on somewhat regular basis is that BG fetishists hate PoE; BG veterans find it to be kinda okay but requiring loads of additional work to shine; people having vague idea of BG either like it very much or hate it just as much.

 

I don't claim that it's statisitically representative, but notion stands.

 

Edit: typos

 

 

Your first mistake was relying on message boards to get any sense of what people in general think. 

If you want to play the BG games again today, get the Enhanced Editions. You can even get them on your tablet. I have. The thing is, it made me realize that there was some stuff about them that could use improvement. Choosing spells and abilities based on fuzzy, hard-to-see icons? Was the magic missile the red squiggle or the blue squiggle? Ugh. Even worse when your tablet makes tooltip-popup a bit more sketchy. 

 

The bottom line is what I like about PoE is not that it tries to recreate 2001 in 2015, but instead takes what is good about those games and still tries to improve things with what else we can now do today. The characters aren't just silly rag dolls anymore. They have really reworked the XP gain system. The isometric graphics look way better. etc.

 

A lot of people when I raise what's good about classic RPGs accuse me of wanting to live in the past. No. I want what was done right in the past to stick around, and to keep innovating in other areas. I think PoE does this. That's why I like it. 

," get the Enhanced Editions. "

 

NO.

 

At 66 I'm probably the oldest gamer in the thread  -

 

I love it so far and think it stands up well to the old IE games as well as NWN 1 & 2. 

 

 

I am impressed, sir. Glad you're still enjoying pc gaming! 

 

 

It's a little tough getting these new fangled games to play on the Commodore 64 and of course none of the newer games can hold a candle to Zork, Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy or the Leather Goddess of Phobos but these kids at Obsidian are out there trying at least! 

Jeez Wanderon, I seem to remember you on the old NW2 forums, (think it was bioware forums). You would always get involved in arguments with countless. As a certain gnome would say, "good fun".

NO.

 

OK. 

 

So, as an RPG lovers, I want to ask, how good is this game? my opinions on what "good" games are like Baldur's gate, NWN, Dungeon Siege and Dragon Age origin. Comparing this game with those four, is this game as good as them, lesser, or even better?

 

I asked because, from what I see in youtube, this game is a slow paced game, too much strategy (pause) like Divinity Original Sin, am I correct?

 

BG, NWN, and DA:O are new games, not old ones!  The oldest is what, 1998?

 

Anyway, NWN is a really mixed bag to compare, because of add-on modules, some of which were really great.  If you ignore that angle and just consider the original game itself, my preference order from best to worst would be:

 

BG2 > POE > NWN 

 

POE and BG2 are spot on each other respecting the times they were made. From a fantasy perspective BG2 world feels more "magical" in my opinion, but all in all POE is definitely worth the money.

Jeez Wanderon, I seem to remember you on the old NW2 forums, (think it was bioware forums). You would always get involved in arguments with countless. As a certain gnome would say, "good fun".

Aye, I remember him from the old NWN boards. I used to moderate them, actually. Good times. Oh, and kudos, Wanderon. I actually thought I was older than you, but you've got a decade and a half on me.

First my RPG street cred: I played Bard's Tale, Ultima and an obscure title called Questron on a Commodore 128 as a teenager back in 1988. Various RPGs on the Nintendo before that.

 

Pillars is a great RPG. I am 122 hours in and have still not exhausted all content. I am 2 quests from finishing the game and currently getting my butt kicked by the "Master" on level 15. I have all intentions of replaying the game with a different character and party makeup.

 

9/10

It's a nice game if you don't look to closely at any of it's components. There is however probably not a part of the game that doesn't need some serious work done. One only can hope that Obsidian will try and improve on it, rather then releasing the same thing again with possible expansions and sequels.

 

In other words it's pretty good if you don't nit-pick it? 

 

It's a nice game if you don't look to closely at any of it's components. There is however probably not a part of the game that doesn't need some serious work done. One only can hope that Obsidian will try and improve on it, rather then releasing the same thing again with possible expansions and sequels.

 

In other words it's pretty good if you don't nit-pick it? 

 

There's just too many moving parts in these RPGs to have everything worked out. There's inevitably going to be some logic conflict somewhere, just depends on how game-breaking it is. I haven't noticed too many things yet, most of the conflicts seem to correlate with the stronghold (perhaps it was rushed?).

decent game but with many flaws.

 

too many obvious bugs making it to gold, unclear and poor game mechanics that doesnt make much sense. its just not very fun the way its designed. its very bland and dumbed down.

 

they need to stop writing so many in game books and actually have proper documentation available in game or online.

 

It's a nice game if you don't look to closely at any of it's components. There is however probably not a part of the game that doesn't need some serious work done. One only can hope that Obsidian will try and improve on it, rather then releasing the same thing again with possible expansions and sequels.

 

In other words it's pretty good if you don't nit-pick it? 

 

If you are a dying of thirst in the desert, you won't complain too much about the taste of the water that is offered to you. Pointing out that it tastes like something died in it recently isn't nit-picking.

 

Jeez Wanderon, I seem to remember you on the old NW2 forums, (think it was bioware forums). You would always get involved in arguments with countless. As a certain gnome would say, "good fun".

Aye, I remember him from the old NWN boards. I used to moderate them, actually. Good times. Oh, and kudos, Wanderon. I actually thought I was older than you, but you've got a decade and a half on me.

 

 

NWN boards were pretty recent - first official CRPG boards that hooked me were the original BG boards (prior to ToTSC) followed by the rest of the IE boards arguing with Silverbow (and others)...

 

Good fun indeed   

 

When you say old rpg gamers only do mean that I have to be old, or the rpg's I like have to be old.

 

Cuz I'm not old. I'm 24.

 

I like old school rpgs though.

 

Can I contribute?

Young man how dare you interrupt??

 

Now back to your room and play some more NWN/BG

 

I'll go to my room, but I'll never play NWN again. 

NWN = BEST. GAME. EVAR.

NWN = BEST. GAME. EVAR.

 

Oh, not again Volo. That one got old more than a decade ago. =)

 

 

 

Jeez Wanderon, I seem to remember you on the old NW2 forums, (think it was bioware forums). You would always get involved in arguments with countless. As a certain gnome would say, "good fun".

Aye, I remember him from the old NWN boards. I used to moderate them, actually. Good times. Oh, and kudos, Wanderon. I actually thought I was older than you, but you've got a decade and a half on me.

 

 

NWN boards were pretty recent - first official CRPG boards that hooked me were the original BG boards (prior to ToTSC) followed by the rest of the IE boards arguing with Silverbow (and others)...

 

Good fun indeed   

 

 

Feels like an Eternity ago, doesn't it? That pun is so bad I can't possibly claim that it wasn't intentional.

Edited April 27, 201511 yr by majestic

"Oh, not again Volo. That one got old more than a decade ago. =)"

 

Whereever people trash NWN, I will be there to defend it. It's tradition.

"Oh, not again Volo. That one got old more than a decade ago. =)"

 

Whereever people trash NWN, I will be there to defend it. It's tradition.

 

Sure, I know. Just like your constant failure to use the quote function on every message board you post on.

 

That doesn't make NWN a good game though. The expansions were good but the OC was probably the worst thing Bioware ever made. It's like a 40h Mass Effect 3 ending that just doesn't stop. Even Aribeth's bouncy pixel boobs couldn't save it. :>

Edited April 27, 201511 yr by majestic

You really can not compare this game to NWN because in NWN you got the tool set to create your own worlds and stories with the added edition of being a DM in a world whether you played network or online.  I had a create world which I hosted online for a few years.  This gave players more to work with and a lot of modules to play just like expansions not to mention the custom content via CEP.  I still play and create mods for it.

 

I loved DA I, II and III and just recently started playing Mass Effect.  Mass effect is almost like an upgrade for Knights of the old republic games for me.  However when people talk about old games all of these to me are not old especially when compared to SSI Gold box RPGS for Dungeons and Dragons (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Savage Frontier and even Kyrnn Series.  As I said before old games can include Bards Tale I, II and Might and Magic series.  In the end old or new each game has its ups and downs, bottom line if your having fun then its the game for you.  (I can name a lot more old rpgs than that which I have and still play).

 

Old games are not 1998 but closer to 1985 which is when Bards Tale came out.  Talk about dating ones self!