How to approach issues of sensitivity

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Anyone who is not a white heterosexual male has no right to comment on what affects white heterosexual males.

[Nonek]

The usual, people standing up against genocide advcoates and Neo Nazi's, voicing a contrary opinion and championing free speech against censorship by the professionally outraged, simpletons and morally repugnant.

[BruceVC]

Anyone who is not a white heterosexual male has no right to comment on what affects white heterosexual males.

 

No I don't agree with that, we should all be entitled to our opinions. But we should also be sensitive to what we say and how it impacts others that are traditionally victims of systemic abuse, like the LGBT community 

[Fighter]

I will henceforth only make the appropriate jokes. Here is one.

 

#killallmen

 

It's funny.

[Gfted1]

Good ole white guilt. Never fails to stifle genuine discrimination discussions. smh.

[barakav]

Obsidian should make a tombstone comment about trans-racists: people who think their personal tragedies give them the right to shut up and oppress everyone else.

 

And BTW ,I just asked my gay uncle what he thinks about your post and he agrees with me that you aren't very bright (this post will be edited if I quote his exact words).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States

 

 

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, which allows political organizations great latitude in expressing Nazi, racist, and anti-Semitic views.

 

So I guess that even anti-democratic guys like you should be allowed to raise their voices...

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Anyone who is not a white heterosexual male has no right to comment on what affects white heterosexual males.

 

 

No I don't agree with that, we should all be entitled to our opinions. But we should also be sensitive to what we say and how it impacts others that are traditionally victims of systemic abuse, like the LGBT community

As a working-class fellow, I find your snobbish behavior insulting. Please check your bourgeoisie privilege before giving classist lectures on "proper" behavior.

[BG4eva]

What problem is this weirdo railing against, exactly ?

 

I mean that I get the premise, it does make sense that you can't really speak for others beyond a point - but was this a problem here ?

 

There has been a gravepost-entry removed from the game in 1.03, you can google it and I mentioned it in an earlier comment.

 

 

Really, this is not even a controversial topic. People throwing their hands up and saying "Oh my god, I can't even make fun of a heavily ridiculed minority in the LGBT-community that is in large parts of the world being killed/harrassed/put in jail???!!! What are they going to take away from me next???" need to reevaluate what sort of a presence they want to be in the world. 

 

It is not controversial nor threatening to anyone that you can not always reign supreme and hold full expertise in all areas in the world. Sometimes you need to listen to other people to reach some sort of understanding for what is outside of your own bubble. This is not a sacrifice, this is a chance for learning and becoming a fuller person. So instead of being close-minded and prepared to tout "free speech" (Which actually is not appliable in this scenario) you should reflect on how you view other people and their struggles. 

[BG4eva]

Obsidian should make a tombstone comment about trans-racists: people who think their personal tragedies give them the right to shut up and oppress everyone else.

 

And BTW ,I just asked my gay uncle what he thinks about your post and he agrees with me that you aren't very bright (this post will be edited if I quote his exact words).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#United_States

 

 

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, which allows political organizations great latitude in expressing Nazi, racist, and anti-Semitic views.

 

So I guess that even anti-democratic guys like you should be allowed to raise their voices...

 

Once again, this bears no meaning on free speech. Free speech is when a governmental power or authority limits your voice. Free speech does not concern what Obsidian, a private company, choose to put in their game or not.

[Keyrock]

Friendly reminder:  If you are a white heterosexual male you don't have the right to hold an opinion and you cannot be discriminated against.

 

[Malcador]

Sure, but the argument is more on how offensive that really is. Or do you expect people to just change things just because someone from some group claims it's bad ?

Like it or not, most people push back when being told what to do and "I am offended" is not really an impressive reason. Really, I am not seeing the poem as pushing hate at all, but if they want to nix it, it is their property.

 

Hm, wonder if people would want 'Lola' banned from the radios

[Hurlshort]

You know, these types of threads started by strangers used to just die a quiet death here.

 

[Fighter]

I'm honestly fed up with "it's only when the government does it". If you've got the power to ruin someone's career or gate-keep media exposure and you use it explicitly or implicitly to control content by intimidation I am going to call that censorship.

 

And don't show me the dictionary definition. We all know how much original meanings of words matter to outrage and PC culture.

 

This isn't about Obsidian just in general and regardless of specific examples being true or not, just the principle.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Fighter

[barakav]

Once again, this bears no meaning on free speech. Free speech is when a governmental power or authority limits your voice. Free speech does not concern what Obsidian, a private company, choose to put in their game or not.

 

 

Of course it isn't ,it was also not the case when FOX censored south-park when they wanted to show Mohammad cartoon a few years ago.

 

While its' Obsidians' right to do whatever they want to do with their games ,this tombstone wasn't offensive ,at least not on the level of southpark for example. And I think that bullying act was just disgusting.

 

Oh I am sorry but my opinion doesn't matter in your twisted view.

Edited April 8, 2015 by barakav

[Hurlshort]

I don't know why, but this thread made me think of this:

 

 

Crazy arguing with crazy.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Hurlshot

[Fighter]

^ You phallic imagery is offensive.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I will henceforth only make the appropriate jokes. Here is one.

 

#killallmen

 

It's funny.

I wonder how long until "Gas the Cismales, Gender War Now!" becomes the rallying cry of these people?

[BG4eva]

I'm honestly fed up with "it's only when the government does it". If you've got the power to ruin someone's career or gate-keep media exposure and you use it explicitly or implicitly to control content by intimidation I am going to call that censorship.

 

And don't show me the dictionary definition. We all know how much original meanings of words matter to outrage and PC culture.

 

This isn't about Obsidian just in general and regardless of specific examples being true or not, just the principle.

 

Free speech isnt just a loose term though, it is a civil and political right. And I addressed it to a person who used it in a matter that is not correct. I assume that he would want to be told if he was factually wrong when he obviously felt educated enough to comment. It is not that I am trying to be a besser weisser, I am merely setting a foundation for the conversation.

 

But to get back to your post; What intimidation was used? Saying that one was offended and didnt want to play the game anymore? It is not as if the backlash has been more lenient on the other side of the fence, this is not something I would call intimidation. But perhaps you know of something that I do not in that matter? 

 

Which career was ruined? 

 

What does it mean to you to be able to ridicule transexual people? What is it that you value so in protecting your right to push down people who are already very far down the social hierarchy?

 

(And to answer an earlier post you made, which itself wasn't either on topic but you seem to be more into debunking me than actually ransacking the behaviour, I am not a white heterosexual male).

[Nonek]

I think Hurlshot's correct, the OP is neither intelligent enough nor possessing of a good enough argument to warrant a response really, it's just the usual pro censorship and anti free speech tripe we see parroted by the genocide advocates intent on being offended about a poem where only a white heterosexual man was harmed  and a transexual was never even mentioned. There's really no point responding to him or her, they're pathetic and supportive of an evil and immoral cause that misrepresented facts and strove to change a paying backers content, that we naturally defended as an immoral thing to do.

 

Let him or her continue with their hate speech and genocide advocacy.

[Malcador]

What is crazy about Weisswurst ?

[Hurlshort]

What is crazy about Weisswurst ?

 

My guess is the casing.

 

[barakav]

I think Hurlshot's correct, the OP is neither intelligent enough nor possessing of a good enough argument to warrant a response really, it's just the usual pro censorship and anti free speech tripe we see parroted by the genocide advocates intent on being offended about a poem where only a white heterosexual man was harmed  and a transexual was never even mentioned. There's really no point responding to him or her, they're pathetic and supportive of an evil and immoral cause that misrepresented facts and strove to change a paying backers content, that we naturally defended as an immoral thing to do.

 

Let him or her continue with their hate speech and genocide advocacy.

But ,but  I wanted to post all kind of offensive anti gay stuff from South park. ;(

[Nonek]

Oh I thought you were making a rather clever play on words Hurlshot, Weiss Wurst = Whites worst, in mockery of the OP's opening racist plea to stifle discussion on this discussion board.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Nonek

[barakav]

 

What is crazy about Weisswurst ?

 

My guess is the casing.

 

 

yummy

[BG4eva]

I think Hurlshot's correct, the OP is neither intelligent enough nor possessing of a good enough argument to warrant a response really, it's just the usual pro censorship and anti free speech tripe we see parroted by the genocide advocates intent on being offended about a poem where only a white heterosexual man was harmed  and a transexual was never even mentioned. There's really no point responding to him or her, they're pathetic and supportive of an evil and immoral cause that misrepresented facts and strove to change a paying backers content, that we naturally defended as an immoral thing to do.

 

Let him or her continue with their hate speech and genocide advocacy.

 

Why do you feel the need to insult my intelligence? Disregarding that you know far too little about me to judge this, its rude and most importantly it derails the conversation. 

 

I am not spewing hate-speech, I have been the one name-called and threatened in the thread to this point. I will not go in to you with how no transgendered person was involved or accentuating that it was the man who got hurt (And you do not know if he was white or not), becuase that is also derailing and I think you know whats up.

 

I find it strange how so much anger can stem from a group of people, who are evidently already suppressed, expressing feelings of hurt.