Journalism and bias in the gaming industry

[Longknife]

 

 

We have a firearms thread, it is delightful.  People talk about guns.  They aren't consistently putting up inappropriate cartoons, images, and making fun of the tweets of people who don't spend any time here.  This thread has veered over the boundaries of the forum rules plenty of times.  The very nature of this thread seems to revolve around being mean and shouting down people that disagree with you.  It bleeds into other threads too, Monte Carlo's hilarious troll story lasted about 5 posts before it turned dumb. 

 

I would like to see this forum be a less negative place.  I guess that makes me a drama queen.  

 

 

If you have an issue with the thread, why not take it up with the moderators? I don't see how posting here is supposed to remedy the situation. The best you can do is take it up with the mods and, whether they agree or disagree with you, accept the response.

 

 

Why would you suggest that?  Appealing to an authority to censor others would seem completely contrary to your whole platform.

 

I would rather just ask you (and others) to tone down the vitriol for the sake of the community.

 

But hey, maybe the community has changed and I'm just a leftover from a different time.   

 

 

 

Your claim is it is breaking the rules. If that's the case then you have everything you need to approach the mods with a complaint.

 

If it's not breaking the rules then tough, the thread has every right to exist.

[Meshugger]

 

Either the quote system is botched or KP is arguing with himself.

It's probably both given the amount of substances currently in my bloodstream.

 

 

Internalized something-ism

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure ignoring them would be more effective.  200 pages of it on a game developer's forum seems a bit much.  I would actually never come across any of these people if it weren't for these posts, so that would speak to the opposite effect.  The more you spread this garbage around, the more power you give them.

 

There is irony in someone who is pro ignoring what he deems dumb having a problem with people for not ignoring other dumb bs. Follow your own advice.

 

 

I have been an active member here for over a decade, pardon me if I don't just walk away from the community because of dumb bs.  I've ignored a few iterations of this thread, but it doesn't seem like a good strategy.  It reflects badly on all of us.  

 

 

This is absurd. These people have every right to discuss this topic, which is well within the boundaries of forum rules, just like you have every right to discuss things you find important. You could, for example, make a Firearms thread and periodically start it up again once it hit it's limit. Would someone be right to claim the pro-firearms thread needs to be shut down because it reflects poorly on all of us? No, that's unfair.

 

If you don't wanna be associated with it, don't associate yourself with it. If you are incapable of tolerating a thread's existence in a forum you visit, that's blatantly being a drama queen and blatantly demanding all portions of a forum adhere to what you like to a certain degree, all in a belief that being a member here for 10+ years is somehow relevant and affords you some sort of superior say on the matter. No, that's not how it works.

 

 

 

We have a firearms thread, it is delightful.  People talk about guns.  They aren't consistently putting up inappropriate cartoons, images, and making fun of the tweets of people who don't spend any time here.  This thread has veered over the boundaries of the forum rules plenty of times.  The very nature of this thread seems to revolve around being mean and shouting down people that disagree with you.  It bleeds into other threads too, Monte Carlo's hilarious troll story lasted about 5 posts before it turned dumb. 

 

I would like to see this forum be a less negative place.  I guess that makes me a drama queen.  

 

 

If you feel that people are being mean and full of hate, then you know what to do: Forgive us and fight us with love.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

If you feel that people are being mean and full of hate, then you know what to do: Forgive us and fight us with love.

 

 

I thought I was doing that when I read you guys the Dr. Suess book?

[Hurlshort]

 

Your claim is it is breaking the rules. If that's the case then you have everything you need to approach the mods with a complaint.

 

If it's not breaking the rules then tough, the thread has every right to exist.

 

 

It's super weird that you are asking me to try and get the thread closed.  It has been actively censored, one iteration was even closed down.  Why would you push for that?  Are you pro-censorship?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

Either the quote system is botched or KP is arguing with himself.

It's probably both given the amount of substances currently in my bloodstream.

 

 

Internalized something-ism

 

Internalized rum.

 

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Those are the forum rules, if you think one has been broken make your case.

 

As this forum currently stands, we have a poster who pretends to be Russian and spouts off some weird **** and romance threads are a guaranteed flame war.

 

This thread is just a bunch of butthurt posters sharing information from twitter, 8chan, and KiA. If you find that too triggering, you should probably stay away.

Edited April 19, 2015 by KaineParker

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

Your claim is it is breaking the rules. If that's the case then you have everything you need to approach the mods with a complaint.

 

If it's not breaking the rules then tough, the thread has every right to exist.

 

 

It's super weird that you are asking me to try and get the thread closed.  It has been actively censored, one iteration was even closed down.  Why would you push for that?  Are you pro-censorship?

 

 

Something something feminist agenda?

[Hurlshort]

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?  

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

If you feel that people are being mean and full of hate, then you know what to do: Forgive us and fight us with love.

 

 

I thought I was doing that when I read you guys the Dr. Suess book?

 

 

And you see the results before you; not enough. I would suggest something more trancedental that everyone loves, like Gummi Bears or Duck Tales. But i leave that up to you.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?  

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

 

Well if you're asking others nicely to behave in a civil manner, you can't really be held up as an example of evil pro-censorship SJW oppression, don't you see?

 

And we can't have that.

[Oerwinde]

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice. So while you are mostly neutral to the whole thing, calling for decorum invokes a "tried that, didn't work, bugger off" type response.

 

The sad thing is GG and feminism have a lot in common, both have a lot of people with noble goals, but all people seem to see is the dickheads with the megaphones spouting nonsense and abuse and taking that as the whole.

[Meshugger]

Of course feminism has interesting people like Christina Hoff Summers and Janice Fiamengo, but sadly they seem to have zero political influence compared to the radical man-hating ones. 

 

It seems like the buzz about Galgary Expo hasn't died down. People are contacting their advertisers that claim that they were not advertisers in the first place. Essentially, "pulling a Gawker".

 

https://twitter.com/MyOwnGalPal/status/589697787257753601

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

[Meshugger]

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

 

 

- Define "hate group"

- Define "deserve a voice"

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

 

 

- Define "hate group"

- Define "deserve a voice"

 

 

...Why?

[Oerwinde]

 

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

Sure if you equate GamerGate with BurgersAndFries, which I don't. For me, and for most of who I consider GamerGate, the first shot was the Gamers are Dead articles. Yes a lot of the BurgersAndFries people were early GG supporters, but it would have disappeared without those articles.

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

 

 

- Define "hate group"

- Define "deserve a voice"

 

 

...Why?

 

 

Because time and time again i've noticed that we have diverged into completely different domains when talking about this.

[Malcador]

I would like to see this forum be a less negative place.  I guess that makes me a drama queen.

The moderators don't seem all that bothered by this, so why don't you deal with it ? It's like Walsingham constantly crapping his pants over things oby does, heh.

Then again, you waltzing in threads you disapprove of to wag your finger does kind of labour the second half of your statement, heh.

 

Hm, I dunno, I think the whole kerfuffle about Gamergate before it a got a name was still on the whole "there is no ethics in game journalism", mainly on Quinn and so on. Granted, speaking in terms of the label on the can, heh.

 

Who are they supposed to be hating, anyway ?

Edited April 19, 2015 by Malcador

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

Sure if you equate GamerGate with BurgersAndFries, which I don't. For me, and for most of who I consider GamerGate, the first shot was the Gamers are Dead articles. Yes a lot of the BurgersAndFries people were early GG supporters, but it would have disappeared without those articles.

 

 

You mean the articles that literally don't exist in the form gamergate is so fond of painting them as (Ie. "an organized attack against gamer identity by games journalists")?

 

Because, well, "gamergaters aren't a hate group, they just failed to interpret correctly a body of texts even a high schooler should have no problems understanding" isn't really making the movement come across any better.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

 

 

- Define "hate group"

- Define "deserve a voice"

 

 

...Why?

 

 

Because time and time again i've noticed that we have diverged into completely different domains when talking about this.

 

 

Define "completely different domains".

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

 

 

- Define "hate group"

- Define "deserve a voice"

 

 

...Why?

 

 

Because time and time again i've noticed that we have diverged into completely different domains when talking about this.

 

 

Define "completely different domains".

 

 

You say one thing and i retort, but only to find out by your counter-retort that you were not exactly talking about what i thought that you were talking about....because your choice of words have different meanings compared to what was originally assumed by me. So again, with lots of love and forgiveness, when you're speaking of "hate groups" and "deserving a voice", what do you really mean?

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously.

I chalk it up to the beginning of the whole thing, where the GG side was calling for dialogue and discussion while the aGG side was calling us a hate group who didn't deserve a voice.

 

If we're talking about botched first impressions, let's not forget that "ETHICS!" wasn't really an issue for gamergaters until gamergate actually became a thing. So, based on those early days, the "beginning of the whole thing", as you put it, "hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth.

Sure if you equate GamerGate with BurgersAndFries, which I don't. For me, and for most of who I consider GamerGate, the first shot was the Gamers are Dead articles. Yes a lot of the BurgersAndFries people were early GG supporters, but it would have disappeared without those articles.

 

 

You mean the articles that literally don't exist in the form gamergate is so fond of painting them as (Ie. "an organized attack against gamer identity by games journalists")?

 

Because, well, "gamergaters aren't a hate group, they just failed to interpret correctly a body of texts even a high schooler should have no problems understanding" isn't really making the movement come across any better.

 

 

Sories, we dumb. Consumer revolts shoulda not habbened, we shoulda died and welcome bad guise. 

[Volourn]

"Hurlshot had made some excellent points and I encourage everyone to read this post"\

 

L0L The guy is simply trolling this thread to be edgy.

 

 

"And the circle jerk continues."

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More evidence of his trolling. Hurlshot adds pretty much nothing. He doesn't even try to discuss. At least Bruce posts. He might post nonsense but at least he disucsses. Hurlshot just trolls and attacks everyone yet tries to pretend he is a goodie two shoes. LMAO

 

 

"It's not a "heinous offense". It just means that you're not that much better then the people you're laughing at."

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Wrong. Some people deserve to be mocked. Also, labelling these people as 'sicl' with some sort of illness insults those whoa re actually sick. Just another aspect of 'victim culture' that belittles actual victims. People like McIntosh and Wu deserved to be mocked,. Laughed at.  Called out for their evil nazi bullcrap. NO MERCY.

 

 

" It reflects badly on all of us. "
 

No. Don't you believe in personal responsibility  AT ALL? I am NOT responsible for the garbage you post anymore than you responsible for the garbage I post just because we both post on Obsidian forums. Don't you see how hideously asanine that idea is?

 

 

"How is it absurd? Wrong is wrong. Being less wrong doesn't make you right. It's a simple consept, nothing absurd about it."

 

It is NEVER wrong to mock nazis.  Even if it hurts YOUR feels.

 

 

 

"So both KP and Longknife would rather me lobby for censorship than decorum?  

 

This is why it is hard to take this movement seriously."

 

'Lobbying for decourm' is just a more sneaky way of brainwashing people to shut up when they think differently than you. That's the first step of nazism. Nobody is being hurt in this thread. Your feels are TRIGGERING my feels. Stop triggering me by telling me I can't call out SJW stupidity.

 

 

"hate group that doesn't deserve a voice" was actually not that far off from the truth."

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Please don't lie. That's rude.

 

 

"You mean the articles that literally don't exist in the form gamergate is so fond of painting"

 

They do exist. Why are you making stuff up? It was clear: GAMERS ARE DEAD. That's a fact. And, a lie since the SJWs have repeatedly tried to murder me and have utterly failed to rid the world of this zombie.

 

 

But, hey, SJWs aren't about equality anyways. They have proven time and time again they loathe women and minorities.  The most hatefulness towards women are from SJWs. It's HILARIOUS.

 

The world would be a better place more people were EQUALISTS like me.

[Malcador]

I agree that Jonathan McIntosh, MovieBob., Brianna Wu, and other twitter residents, are clearly mentally unstable. I'm so sorry I ever mocked them.

Indeed, they may decide to hang themselves over it.

[Meshugger]

Do i really need to post this again? Random nobodies on the internet does better digging and journalism than any of the "gamers are dead"-writers, effectively showing how utterly corrupt the indie-scene is:

 

 

But nooooooo, these goobergators were not far from being a hate group, whose opinion almost didn't deserve to be heard.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Meshugger

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Do i really need to post this again? Random nobodies on the internet does better digging and journalism than any of the "gamers are dead"-writers, effectively showing how utterly corrupt the indie-scene is:

 

 

 

You do know I'm rightly cautious about accepting anything you link at face value since the whole "Sargon of Akkad fails at statistics" debacle, right?

 

Will watch it later. When it's not around midnight. Probably. (Will also react to the other posts.)

Edited April 19, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid