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Obama's Iran talks

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Or alternatively, you'd have Qatar, UAE, and worst of all by far, Saudi Arabia all with nuclear weapons a few years at most later. They'll all want the bomb if Iran has it, nothing surer.

 

 

20% uranium-235 is an ingredient for making the fuel for certain reactors (for example the ones typically used in nuclear subs). It does have a legitimate civilian use in the making of certain medical isotopes, but I do remember thinking that the amount they had was a bit much. 

 

Yeah, other countries without nuclear weapons aspirations make 20% U235 as well. Pretty sure Brazil's annual production of it is a fair bit higher than Iran's entire accumulated stockpile was, too.


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You're treading on very thin ice with that track record argument. IMO the threat in Iran is not from the clerical establishment (who has both dismantled an existing nuclear weapons program inherited from the Shah, and stated that nuclear weapons use by Iran is forbidden by Islam) but the nationalist Basji organization. US efforts should focus on minimizing their influence and standing in Iranian society through cultural means. Ahmadinejad's voters were to a larger degree hardliners compared to Rouhani's. You have got to understand, that for the Iranian hardliners, the fact that the US does not want Iran to enrich uranium is reason to do in itself. If Iran can poke the US in the eye, that is a home-run with parts of Iranian voters.

Ahmadinejnut or Rouhani, it's Khamenei who calls the shots. Nukes being against Islam sounds like Taqiyya to me. You'll remember Khomeini said "We're not Iranians, we are Muslims. Let Iran burn so long as Islam wins."

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Or alternatively, you'd have Qatar, UAE, and worst of all by far, Saudi Arabia all with nuclear weapons a few years at most later. They'll all want the bomb if Iran has it, nothing surer.

 

This.

 

If Iran gets a nuke; they'll all want nukes. With all those bombs about, it won't be long until the wrong people get their hands on them.



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Or alternatively, you'd have Qatar, UAE, and worst of all by far, Saudi Arabia all with nuclear weapons a few years at most later. They'll all want the bomb if Iran has it, nothing surer.

 

This.

 

If Iran gets a nuke; they'll all want nukes. With all those bombs about, it won't be long until the wrong people get their hands on them.

 

 

The wrong people have had their hands on nukes since day 1.


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Again, Pakistan is a way bigger risk than Iran when it comes to the wrong people getting hands on it.


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Why are you in love with a country that brags about the mass murder and slavery of its own people? At least  the US pretends not to. :)



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Again, Pakistan is a way bigger risk than Iran when it comes to the wrong people getting hands on it.

It isn't since Pakistan isn't a foe of Saudi Arabia.

 

I'll repeat myself: Iran having nukes in and of itself isn't a huge problem; it's when everyone else in the region rushes to get nukes as well to match them that things get really dangerous.



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Again, Pakistan is a way bigger risk than Iran when it comes to the wrong people getting hands on it.

Iran is the wrong people, it doesn't get more wrong unless you resurrect hitler.

Btw, there's no Iranian fatwa against nuclear weapons. http://pjmedia.com/a...ollah-khamenei/

Edited by Wrath of Dagon, 17 March 2015 - 04:38 PM.


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Again, Pakistan is a way bigger risk than Iran when it comes to the wrong people getting hands on it.

Iran is the wrong people, it doesn't get more wrong unless you resurrect hitler.

Btw, there's no Iranian fatwa against nuclear weapons. http://pjmedia.com/a...ollah-khamenei/

 

 

This Andrew McCarthy > yours.

 

While I do occasionally enjoy Bill Whittle diatribes about the state of things, PJ Media is about as naive and ignorant as any media source comes when it comes to international matters (this sadly includes Bill to a large degree). Especially when talking about Iran or Israel. The pro-Israeli propaganda is heavy on that channel, and the organization that the article is citing (MEMRI) is a pro-Israeli 501c. I trust them about as much as I trust Obama to tell the truth, maybe less.

 

That said. Fatwa or no Fatwa, it doesn't really matter. Iran would be dumb to not get nukes if they can, given the historical hostility from it's some of it's neighbors, the U.S., U.K., and Israel. Nothing could assure it's national defense more than nukes, sadly.


Edited by Valsuelm, 17 March 2015 - 05:14 PM.






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