Statism - the fundamental dysfunction of our world

[Malignacious]

Again, we've had periods in history where government was small and did not regulate business.  It was called the Gilded Age, and you ended up with corrupt railroad companies that controlled pricing and reaped huge profits.  

 

This is completely false.

(you can look at timestamp below, your specific example is completely debunked)

[Malignacious]

So, OP troll, screw your reading list. It's written by extremists, be they Ayn Rand or Karl Marx, both cheeks of the same arse. Hey, I'm a poet.

 

Golden mean fallacy.

[Namutree]

I'll stick with John Locke.

[Monte Carlo]

 

So, OP troll, screw your reading list. It's written by extremists, be they Ayn Rand or Karl Marx, both cheeks of the same arse. Hey, I'm a poet.

 

Golden mean fallacy.

 

 

 

Ah, fallacy, the internet's favourite rebuttal word. I note the website is like a debating society nerd's instruction manual, which is what you are. Try again, and perhaps read my post where you'll see that my argument doesn't quite fit your reply.

[Hurlshort]

 

Again, we've had periods in history where government was small and did not regulate business.  It was called the Gilded Age, and you ended up with corrupt railroad companies that controlled pricing and reaped huge profits.  

 

This is completely false.

(you can look at timestamp below, your specific example is completely debunked)

 

 

You want me to watch an hour long video on net neutrality to prove that the Gilded Age is false?

[HoonDing]

I miss lord of flies

[Malignacious]

 

 

So, OP troll, screw your reading list. It's written by extremists, be they Ayn Rand or Karl Marx, both cheeks of the same arse. Hey, I'm a poet.

 

Golden mean fallacy.

 

 

 

Ah, fallacy, the internet's favourite rebuttal word. I note the website is like a debating society nerd's instruction manual, which is what you are. Try again, and perhaps read my post where you'll see that my argument doesn't quite fit your reply 

 

It's written by extremists, be they Ayn Rand or Karl Marx, both cheeks of the same arse.

 

There is nothing logical, extrapolative, or factual about that statement. It's just a typical dismissal method of forcefully juxtaposing viewpoints in a deceitful manner, so one wouldn't get bothered to think about anything.

 

Just the cursory analysis of each viewpoint would expose this.

For example, one position uses the non-aggression principle supported by the most fruitful economic system ever devised, and the other position advocates for the use of force by a central authority to construct untenable society against everything we know about human behavior.

 

Just admit to yourself that you are in the matrix of statism, like all of humanity was at one point in the matrix of slavery.

[Malignacious]

 

Again, we've had periods in history where government was small and did not regulate business.  It was called the Gilded Age, and you ended up with corrupt railroad companies that controlled pricing and reaped huge profits.  Didn't any of you play Monopoly as children?

The government wasn't small, it was practically non existing in some parts. For capitalism to work you need strong government and strong law to prevent nonlegal practices. 

 

With internet, which enables decentralized rating and reputation systems, this no longer applies.

Similarly, revolutionary crypto-currency based on the laws of math instead of obscurantism of few people, renders communist central banking and national currencies irrelevant.

[Gorgon]

A bit early to call that battle won. 

[Namutree]

Where to begin...

 

A) The lack of a state means that there is no force to ensure contracts are respected.

 

B) The lack of a state would mean that each community would have to rely on itself for protection. That would heavily militarize society.

 

C) Direct community rule is often very oppressive. One need only look at the pilgrims to see what community rule looks like.

 

D) The lack of a unifying law enforcement agency would make life a lot easier for criminals.

 

E) Without a state to ensure a relatively unified economic system; there will be a lot of economic confusion. Expect the economy to be very local, and very small.

 

I could go on, but I won't.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Can the next alt be a hardcore straight-edge feminist?

[Hurlshort]

 

Again, we've had periods in history where government was small and did not regulate business.  It was called the Gilded Age, and you ended up with corrupt railroad companies that controlled pricing and reaped huge profits.  Didn't any of you play Monopoly as children?

The government wasn't small, it was practically non existing in some parts. For capitalism to work you need strong government and strong law to prevent nonlegal practices. 

 

 

I thought you were against regulation?  What do you think strong government laws are?

[Namutree]

 

 

Again, we've had periods in history where government was small and did not regulate business.  It was called the Gilded Age, and you ended up with corrupt railroad companies that controlled pricing and reaped huge profits.  Didn't any of you play Monopoly as children?

The government wasn't small, it was practically non existing in some parts. For capitalism to work you need strong government and strong law to prevent nonlegal practices. 

 

 

I thought you were against regulation?  What do you think strong government laws are?

 

There's a difference between making rules about how a business is run and making sure a business fulfills it's obligations.

[Monte Carlo]

Hey, Magnathingy, where are you on the whole Nick Land / Dark Enlightenment thing?

[Malignacious]

Hey, Magnathingy, where are you on the whole Nick Land / Dark Enlightenment thing?

 

It's irrelevant and intellectually infantile. I've read enough about economics, neurology, structural anthropology, social psychology, and history to realize which things are key to a long term, peaceful, and prosperous human society(global or local).

 

1. peaceful parenting (no hitting, spanking, yelling, namecalling, everything must be based on negotiation and evidence based reasoning instead of parental authority), this is the foundation of everything. All research in the last 4 decades from many disciplines points to this. You should especially read/listen to this book - The Origins of War in Child Abuse.

You can notice this today, it is no coincidence that blacks on average are far more violent with their primitive culture of parental aggression against children and their hyper-religiosity.

 

2. decentralization, we are finally here: internet, crypto currency, 3D printing, renewable energy parity grids. Never before were such ingredients present to effortlessly achieve decentralized, stateless societies. Grave implications of the Milgram experiment (since repeated dozens of times in different cultures with always the same results) must be taken seriously.

 

3. power of the free market, with its self-rectifying mechanisms, the single force that skyrocketed our life expectancy, comfort and technology. It goes without saying that with orderly dissolution of governments it would finally achieve its full potential. 

Edited October 2, 2014 by Malignacious

[Monte Carlo]

OK, I was trying to tease some sort of extremist / racist stance out of you and it wasn't too difficult, was it?

Edited October 2, 2014 by Monte Carlo

[Malignacious]

OK, I was trying to tease some sort of extremist / racist stance out of you and it wasn't too difficult, was it?

You lost all credibility.

[BruceVC]

 

This might open your eyes a bit.

 

 

 

 

 

I watched the video and I found it  terribly misplaced, it misrepresents many areas of how governments work and function.

 

I basically reject most of the comments in the video as its really anti-Western propaganda and an attack on how our government function, all that video does is raise the bad. Some of things that were utterly preposterous were

 

• The analogy that Statism is a religion. You cannot prove a religion and its not tangible, its about faith. You see your government, you can interact with them. Its not a belief, governments and states are real and exist and we can engage with politicians. To try to suggest that Statism is  the worst and most extreme form of religion is complete nonsense
• The suggestion that abiding by the rules makes you a slave? You don't have to like your government but you need to pay your taxes as you need to contribute towards the society that you live in. If you don't like that go and live in the mountains and live off the grid like some hermit

 

These types of great "revelations " are normally raised by people who live in first world countries who use it  as some kind of pseudo-intellectual argument to explain how terrible there lives are on countries that millions of people would  love to immigrate to

 

If you don't agree with the concepts of states and governments  I would encourage you to travel through Africa and see what happens to countries that don't have effective governments. See how people live and die in complete poverty and see how the aspirations of people, who  just want water, electricity and a future for there children, are never achieved

 

I'm a proud and unrepentant believer in Statism because it works, its as simple as that

[Monte Carlo]

No, I really didn't. If you can't see why labelling an entire ethnicity as child-beaters doesn't exactly bolster your credentials as a forensic purveyor of political wisdom, then I can't help you.

[Malignacious]

I'm a proud and unrepentant believer in Statism because it works, its as simple as that

 

No. What works is people, even under the weight of a parasite.

[Monte Carlo]

Why is it that all these dudes look like they'll survive five minutes in their Brave New World of anarcho-capitalism?

[JadedWolf]

Why is it that all these dudes look like they'll survive five minutes in their Brave New World of anarcho-capitalism?

 

It is indeed a good thing that they will only encounter their "perfect" world in abstract theories.

[Malignacious]

Why is it that all these dudes look like they'll survive five minutes in their Brave New World of anarcho-capitalism?

 

Because anarcho-capitalism has been thoroughly analyzed and researched from all angles, it's rapidly growing, it's global, and there won't be any magical breaking point but gradual, orderly dissolution.

 

Also, it's really not that hard to see the blatant, parasitic, destabilizing banditry of statism once you step out of its matrix.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Why is it that all these dudes look like they'll survive five minutes in their Brave New World of anarcho-capitalism?

Because only out of shape liberal arts majors have time for armchair philosophy about hypothetical situations.

[Monte Carlo]

 

Why is it that all these dudes look like they'll survive five minutes in their Brave New World of anarcho-capitalism?

 

Because anarcho-capitalism has been thoroughly analyzed and researched from all angles, it's rapidly growing, it's global, and there won't be any magical breaking point but gradual, orderly dissolution.

 

Also, it's really not that hard to see the blatant, parasitic, destabilizing banditry of statism once you step out of its matrix.

 

 

You have The Matrix and the Dark Enlightenment dudes have 'The Cathedral.' They also enjoy a rather nuanced version of BHD I think you'd dig.

 

Your heroes and the DE types are also both cheeks of the same arse.

Edited October 2, 2014 by Monte Carlo