USA and EU: Masks dropped!

[obyknven]

Moscow is dismayed after a number of countries failed to support a resolution designed to fight against the glorification of Nazism.

 

The Foreign Ministry said Moscow regrets that the United States, the European Union and Ukraine have refused to support a UN General Assembly resolution aimed at battling the modern scourge of Nazism and other racist movements, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.

"We are perplexed and upset that the United States and Canada were against, and EU states abstained, in the vote on the draft resolution, which gained the approval of the majority of UN member countries,"

 

http://rt.com/politi...russia-war-807/

 

This is not a surprise for us. We known about strong U.S./EU relations with Nazi.

 

For example:

A large number of Nazi war criminals found a safe haven in the United States after World War II. The CIA and the Nazis reveals a CIA program known as Operation Paperclip, about how over 4,000 former Nazis went to work for the U.S. government, without the public's knowledge, to help fight the Soviet Union.

http://www.google.co...3017b060b84.361

 

http://en.wikipedia....Reinhard_Gehlen

 

U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZI

http://www.iahushua....OI/us_nazis.htm

 

World Central Bank and Nazi.

http://www.bilderber.../bis.htm#Ruling

 

EU and Nazi

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1g43Y2IsU

[HoonDing]

Save us, Mother Russia!

 

[Gorgon]

It's smartest to have the neo nazis out in the open. Where you can keep an eye on them.

[Agelastos]

It's not about supporting neo-nazism, it's about supporting free speech.

 

Russia, which lost millions of soldiers and civilians in the fight against Nazism, has criticized a number of controversial moves by foreign governments. In 2007, for example, Estonia made the decision to relocate the Bronze Soldier, which marked the graves of several Soviet soldiers, from central Tallinn to the nearby Tallinn Military Cemetery

Seriously? Of course Estonians wanted to relocate the statue. To them, it was a symbol of the oppression they suffered under Soviet rule.

 

Funny how your conspiracy theories are almost identical to the ones commonly spouted by neo-nazis, only inverted.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Agelastos

[Gorgon]

Exactly. If you don't have free speech, they are not out in the open anymore.

[obyknven]

Free speech yeah! Estonian Waffen SS parades.

Parades in honor of Waffen-SS veterans, involving veterans from the 20th Estonian SS Division and their supporters, are held annually in Estonia. The next one is scheduled for July 30. Russia has repeatedly criticized the Baltic State for allowing these parades to take place.

http://en.rian.ru/wo.../165327473.html

 

 

Fact that the SS Einsatzgruppen advancing through the Baltics in June 1941 deliberately incited pogroms which were carried out by locals. The Estonian Omakaitse (sort of a home guard self-defense paramilitary formation) apparently participated in the execution of Estonian Jew in January 1942 - the German soon after pronounced Estonia "Jew Free".

 

Regarding the Holocaust in WWII Estonia, Estonian President Lennart Meri convened an International Commission for the Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity. The committee issued a report in 2001:

 

http://www.historycommission.ee/temp/

 

The conclusions are interesting, and are posted on

 

http://www.historyco...conclusions.htm

 

Please note this is an Estonian commission, not a Bolshevik or Russian propagandist:

 

Research has also disclosed evidence of crimes

against humanity, and acts of genocide, in which

the 286th, 287th and 288th Police Battalions participated

at various times in their existence. These include the

killing of prisoners at camps in Estonia, and

participation in what are described as "raids" on

villages in Poland, Belarus, and Lithuania. The 287th

was on duty at the Klooga camp in September 1944, when t

he last surviving prisoners were killed. It is not

clear whether the actual killings were carried out by

German SS guards, by members of a reserve unit of the

Estonian SS, or by members of the 287th. It is however

clear that the 287th was actively involved in gathering

together the prisoners, guarding them, and escorting them to

their death. The unit was withdrawn to Germany and most of its

men were sent to the 20th Estonian SS Division.

 

Note: the Klooga prisoners were killed in Sept. 1944 and the

287th was incorporated into the 20th SS division the following month.

 

In addition, the Commission names SS. Brig Johannes Soodla, the Inspector General of the Estonian Waffen-SS,

and first commander of the Estonian 1st SS Volunteer Regiment, as one of 8 Estonians who specifically

"share responsibility with the German authorities, by virtue of their

office, for all criminal actions carried out in Estonia, and beyond its borders

by military units or police battalions raised with their consent, during the period of the German occupation"

 

full text there

http://www.mnemosyne...n_1941-1944.pdf

[Calax]

Weren't most of the German fighters during the war NOT nazi members? Thus it's not so much a glorification of the Nazi's as it is a remembrance of the soldiers.

[alanschu]

Duh. They're obviously trolling obyknven. I figured this was obvious?

[obyknven]

Weren't most of the German fighters during the war NOT nazi members? Thus it's not so much a glorification of the Nazi's as it is a remembrance of the soldiers.

1. Waffen SS obviously Nazi members. Used mostly against civilians.

2. Freedom Fighters don't fight for glory of foreign master. All volunteers and conscripts from the occupied territories are collaborators.

3. The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide.

http://www.spiegel.d...s-a-755385.html

 

The Wehrmacht History, Myth, Reality by Wolfram Wette.

http://www.hup.harva...n=9780674025776

 

War Without Garlands by Robert Kershaw.

http://www.robertjke...m/garlands.html

[Morgoth]

Location: Dreamland

[Gorgon]

The Nazi atrocities are all well documented. If they had any sense they could have been liberators. They could have turned key posessions into allies against Stalin. Instead they created partisans everywhere they went.

 

They meant to rule Eastern Europe like the English had ruled India, but had a very poor understandig of how this was actually achieved. The army at the onset was second to none, but the show was run by racist lunatics.

[Meshugger]

Pfeh, boring. Where's my jewlizard overlods demanding christian blood for the blood god?

[TrashMan]

Meh...don't give a damn about "natzi's".

 

Neither do I buy the redicolous notion that all german soldiers were monsters.

 

I don't care if people organize a day to remember them. Why not? They had mothers, fathers, btohers, sisters, friends and others who loved or cared about them.

And many gernam soldiers did die fighting FOR their country and people, especially at the end of the war, when they were defending their country.

Edited November 29, 2012 by TrashMan

[obyknven]

Pfeh, boring. Where's my jewlizard overlods demanding christian blood for the blood god?

[Volourn]

"This is not a surprise for us. We known about strong U.S./EU relations with Nazi."

 

L0L This is the type of post that really screams for the forum to have a thumbs down button. L0L

got germany and Europe the Nazis in the first place.

Edited November 29, 2012 by Volourn

[JFSOCC]

Operation Paperclip was an effort to bring as many german scientists over the the United states before other nations (the Soviets) could get their hands on them.

For the longest time Germany was seen as the centre of science, afterwards it became the states.

 

So yeah, you did have some nazi's come over, like Werner vond Braun, but hey, without him it would have taken longer for the US to develop their space program.

Like Tom Lerher said "Once ze rockets are up, who cares where zey come down, zat's not my department, says Werner von Braun"

Edited November 29, 2012 by JFSOCC

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

LOL, russia today as a news source. Propoganda machine to bitch about the west and promote crazy ass libertarians.

 

Anyway, there is a big difference between allowing free speech and endorsing National Socialism.

[Guest The Architect]

If you can prove you're really a hot Russian chick I will subscribe to your conspiratainment newsletter.

[obyknven]

Anglo-Saxon Roots of German Nazism.

Sarkisyanz points to the January 30, 1941 speech delivered by the Nazi leader in which he praised lavishly this distinctly British type of catechism. Sarkisyanz cites a report on the upbringing of future Nazi leaders, which was prepared in 1938 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs and stressed that the Nazi learning institutions were largely patterned on the British public schools. Quite a few of the Third Reich's top officers – for example, J. Ribbentrop, R. Ley – dreamed of seeing their children educated in Great Britain. Hitler boasted being the only German leader sufficiently tough to pursue goals as the British routinely did, and his model of colonizing Russia which he actually described as Germany's India – drew heavily from the British colonial policies. Interestingly, the British administration in India imposed a ban on the demonstration of movies about German Nazism, evidently for fear that the similarities between the German fascists and British colonizers would not evade the local population.

 

The attraction between the German and British racists was so strong that until 1938 Hitler avoided imposing a ban on the operations of the British intelligence service in Germany. Hitler said that the two races – the British and the German – were cousins and therefore were destined to jointly rule the world. The view widely held in Great Britain at the time was that the country would dominate the seas, leaving to Germany the overland primacy.

 

Hannah Arendt wrote in the 1940ies that Great Britain was the only country where racist ideology stemmed directly from a national tradition. In the British case, the tradition was based on Old-Testament puritanism and, moreover, reinforced by the entrenched perception of social stratification as a legitimate phenomenon: in Great Britain the social lows invariably harbored deep respect for the upper classes while the latter treated them with undisguised contempt.

 

One can only regret that Sarkisyanz's “From Imperialism to Fascism” is practically unknown both in Russia and in the West. The treatise is banned in Great Britain, and in Germany Sarkisyanz faced two lawsuits over his piece of research...

http://www.strategic...man-nazism.html

[AGX-17]

Wait, but how can you support an American Capitalist company like Obsidian or their games, they're spreading the lies of American Imperialism through the illusion of "video games"!

 

If someone says something that offends you, you can ignore it, or say something that offends them, and if you believe them to be morally or factually incorrect, construct an objective, evidence based argument on why they're mistaken. Trying to silence them shows you're afraid of what they have to say, it shows that you believe that their words have power. The worst thing you can do against any outspoken ideologue is ignore them. If they seek attention, don't give it to them.

 

Besides, if you've been oppressed and abused by one power (like, say, the Soviet Union,) and someone else comes along and forces them out, and treats you better than the old masters, how do you react? There's more than one side to every story.

 

 

Weren't most of the German fighters during the war NOT nazi members? Thus it's not so much a glorification of the Nazi's as it is a remembrance of the soldiers.

 

All Wehrmacht soldiers had to swear an oath of lifetime loyalty to Hitler and the Nazi party, so technically, yes, they were all Nazis. Most of the German war crimes, especially in the Soviet Union, were committed by the regular Wehrmacht anyway, the Gestapo and SS were too small to pull all those atrocities off on their own.

 

Anglo-Saxon Roots of German Nazism.

Sarkisyanz points to the January 30, 1941 speech delivered by the Nazi leader in which he praised lavishly this distinctly British type of catechism. Sarkisyanz cites a report on the upbringing of future Nazi leaders, which was prepared in 1938 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs and stressed that the Nazi learning institutions were largely patterned on the British public schools. Quite a few of the Third Reich's top officers – for example, J. Ribbentrop, R. Ley – dreamed of seeing their children educated in Great Britain. Hitler boasted being the only German leader sufficiently tough to pursue goals as the British routinely did, and his model of colonizing Russia which he actually described as Germany's India – drew heavily from the British colonial policies. Interestingly, the British administration in India imposed a ban on the demonstration of movies about German Nazism, evidently for fear that the similarities between the German fascists and British colonizers would not evade the local population.

 

The attraction between the German and British racists was so strong that until 1938 Hitler avoided imposing a ban on the operations of the British intelligence service in Germany. Hitler said that the two races – the British and the German – were cousins and therefore were destined to jointly rule the world. The view widely held in Great Britain at the time was that the country would dominate the seas, leaving to Germany the overland primacy.

 

Hannah Arendt wrote in the 1940ies that Great Britain was the only country where racist ideology stemmed directly from a national tradition. In the British case, the tradition was based on Old-Testament puritanism and, moreover, reinforced by the entrenched perception of social stratification as a legitimate phenomenon: in Great Britain the social lows invariably harbored deep respect for the upper classes while the latter treated them with undisguised contempt.

 

One can only regret that Sarkisyanz's “From Imperialism to Fascism” is practically unknown both in Russia and in the West. The treatise is banned in Great Britain, and in Germany Sarkisyanz faced two lawsuits over his piece of research...

http://www.strategic...man-nazism.html

 

So, what, we're supposed to infer that the British (or Anglo-Saxon race? This slope is becoming ever more slippery,) created the Nazis? Let's not forget that it was the French and their desire for vengeance with the Treaty of Versailles that left Germany weak enough for Hitler to take power in parliamentary horse-trading.

 

Operation Paperclip was an effort to bring as many german scientists over the the United states before other nations (the Soviets) could get their hands on them.

For the longest time Germany was seen as the centre of science, afterwards it became the states.

 

So yeah, you did have some nazi's come over, like Werner vond Braun, but hey, without him it would have taken longer for the US to develop their space program.

Like Tom Lerher said "Once ze rockets are up, who cares where zey come down, zat's not my department, says Werner von Braun"

 

Indeed, and the Soviets took as many German scientists as they could get their hands on for the same purposes, the coming economic, social and technological conflict with the Capitalist world. All the major players saw the writing on the wall. Russia and America were going to be the big winners in the end. Churchill actually seriously wanted to go to war with the Soviets immediately after the surrender of Germany and Japan, even going so far as to suggest they use the remnants of the German military as the vanguard.

Edited November 30, 2012 by AGX-17

[obyknven]

If you can prove you're really a hot Russian chick I will subscribe to your conspiratainment newsletter.

Britain’s Nazi King

http://21stcenturyso...king_01898.html

Channel 5 documentary about Edward VIII sought to portray him as an isolated figure. But support for Hitler and the Nazis was widespread among the British ruling class during the 1930s.

 

NSDAP - Windsor links

http://www.wileyforu...dsor-Cabal.html

One of the biggest public relations hoaxes ever perpetrated by the British Crown, is that King Edward VIII, who abdicated the throne in 1938, due to his support for the Nazis, was a ``black sheep,'' an aberration in an otherwise unblemished Windsor line. Nothing could be further from the truth. The British monarchy, and the City of London's leading Crown bankers, enthusiastically backed Hitler and the Nazis, bankrolled the Führer's election, and did everything possible to build the Nazi war machine, for Britain's planned geopolitical war between Germany and Russia.

 

NSDAP - Zionists links

http://www.ihr.org/j...4p29_Weber.html

In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.

 

NSDAP - Wall Streets links

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/nazis.asp

According to this information, the Council on Foreign Relation, played an important role in funding the Nazis, and orchestrated the investigations to prevent their connections from being made public. This is a major historical lie. This evidence also suggests that Wall Street/CFR not only funded, but arguably, created the Nazi war machine.

 

NSDAP - Global Businesses links

http://www.businessp...with-the-nazis/

Hugo Boss designed the intimidating uniforms of the SS (as well as the drabber brown shirts of the SA and the the Hitler Youth); Volkswagen designed the Beetle at Hitler’s behest and churned them out using slave labor; and IBM designed the punch cards that were used to systematize the extermination of people by race and class. However, these weren’t the only companies that acted in collusion with the Nazis — other global businesses still recognizable today also sold their souls to the devil in different ways — and you might be surprised at some of the names that are to follow.

Edited November 30, 2012 by obyknven

[TrashMan]

Elvis was an alien?!?!

And Osama killied JFK?

 

I knew it!

[JFSOCC]

Elvis was an alien?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTjXFlWtkM&t=0m36s

[Zoraptor]

Wait, but how can you support an American Capitalist company like Obsidian or their games, they're spreading the lies of American Imperialism through the illusion of "video games"!

That's what they may want you to think, but quite a different story is told if you examine the facts...

 

Look at MOTB- Myrkul is clearly a stand in for Capitalist Conformity, cursing Akachi for daring to oppose his free market laissez-faire theology where you have freedom, but only in the choice of which Invisible Hand of the Pantheon to worship; consume their divine product- or as an allusion to Pink Floyd's seminal anti capitalist epic become "just another brick in the wall", literally. You really think it's coincidence that the curse involves you consuming souls, forcing you to consume more in a never ending cycle where more and more consumption is needed just to stand still? And that the only sensible strategy is to battle your foul, capitalistic impulses? You even get to put that foul avatar of capitalism, Myrkul, to rest, if you want, or show him the logical end point of his appalling ideology- hardly the act of a tame American Imperialist Capitalist Running Dog company, quite the reverse in fact. Of course, you can go the other way and embrace 'capitalism', consuming more and more, but what do you get in the end? A few meaningless baubles to give you the illusion of benefit, and an ally of extreme unreliability and danger. That's not all though:

 

Alpha Protocol has you battling the forces of capitalism overtly. Halbech; Halliburton-Bechtel. Coincidence? I think not.

 

KOTOR 2... well, you get the picture.

 

Clearly Obsidian is bravely battling the system from the inside. Seriously, they just had a Kickstarter, which works on a communal funding model. That's hardly the act of a "American Capitalist company .. spreading the lies of American Imperialism", now is it?

 

I rest my case.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Wait, but how can you support an American Capitalist company like Obsidian or their games, they're spreading the lies of American Imperialism through the illusion of "video games"!

That's what they may want you to think, but quite a different story is told if you examine the facts...

 

Look at MOTB- Myrkul is clearly a stand in for Capitalist Conformity, cursing Akachi for daring to oppose his free market laissez-faire theology where you have freedom, but only in the choice of which Invisible Hand of the Pantheon to worship; consume their divine product- or as an allusion to Pink Floyd's seminal anti capitalist epic become "just another brick in the wall", literally. You really think it's coincidence that the curse involves you consuming souls, forcing you to consume more in a never ending cycle where more and more consumption is needed just to stand still? And that the only sensible strategy is to battle your foul, capitalistic impulses? You even get to put that foul avatar of capitalism, Myrkul, to rest, if you want, or show him the logical end point of his appalling ideology- hardly the act of a tame American Imperialist Capitalist Running Dog company, quite the reverse in fact. Of course, you can go the other way and embrace 'capitalism', consuming more and more, but what do you get in the end? A few meaningless baubles to give you the illusion of benefit, and an ally of extreme unreliability and danger. That's not all though:

 

Alpha Protocol has you battling the forces of capitalism overtly. Halbech; Halliburton-Bechtel. Coincidence? I think not.

 

KOTOR 2... well, you get the picture.

 

Clearly Obsidian is bravely battling the system from the inside. Seriously, they just had a Kickstarter, which works on a communal funding model. That's hardly the act of a "American Capitalist company .. spreading the lies of American Imperialism", now is it?

 

I rest my case.

 

Well played.