ArkhanTheBlack Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I wonder, since Project Eternity doesn't use the D&D license, how big will the elves be in the game? Actually, in D&D the appearance of elves are more similar to 'pretty' gnomes or halflings than Tolkien elves. However, the game rules and most games don't treat them much different than humans considering strength, endurance, etc. In the old IE games, their height also seems more like humans, at least I didn't really recognize a big difference. Bioware's Dragon Age adopted the size of D&D elves, but played them out more 'realistically'. What happens if you have the size of a dwarve, but are slender like a kid instead of massive like a hulk and have lots of ruthless humans around you? Well, since everyone is stronger than you, you get either abused (in every possible way), enslaved or even killed (or all together). Actually, it really hurt to see the elves in Dragon Age either be primitive savages or (sex-) slaves of humans. I'd really like to see the traditional elves of Tolkien, Warhammer or Black Eye, where they are a pride, intelligent and mighty race and not the smurfs in human colors.
Calmar Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Bioware's Dragon Age adopted the size of D&D elves, but played them out more 'realistically'. What happens if you have the size of a dwarve, but are slender like a kid instead of massive like a hulk and have lots of ruthless humans around you? Well, since everyone is stronger than you, you get either abused (in every possible way), enslaved or even killed (or all together). Actually, it really hurt to see the elves in Dragon Age either be primitive savages or (sex-) slaves of humans. Such an explanation never convinces me. If individual physical strength is what determines a species' success, why aren't all the humanoid peoples subjugated by giants then? I think elves need not be arrogant jerks towards humans and dwarves, but if you include them in your world, you should let them keep their dignity (which seems to the case in PE). Age of Wonders III !!!
nikolokolus Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I always liked Michael Moor****'s take on the fey 1
nikolokolus Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 LOL Mooorc.o.c.k is a dirty word now? Damn, that's just sad. 3
Tamerlane Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 So... what was Mr. ****' "take on the fey", then?
Hellfell Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Id like to see elves being identical to humans in terms of height but with tendency towards agility and grace rather than strength. I think the constitution of ballet dancers and ice skaters should be the baseline for female and male elven bodies. No body or facial hair is also ok for elves. Anyway, it's just my opinion. Only boring people get bored
Sugarjaye Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 I always think of Elven as Tall. lithe and agile. The shadow in the corner of your eye. The cold steel pressed to your throat. The beautiful vision that may be your last. Do not breath, for the Petite Death has your Soul in her hand.
kabaliero Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) "Ewhh! Why do U care how high they're gowna bei? It's not like u're gowna SEE dem cuz the graphs will be TINY and ****." © sorta j\k ) and btw i like elves the way they are in D&D, too, so no problemo but i guess any Obsidian elf would do without givin' it too much thought, rly Edited October 22, 2012 by kabaliero
DocDoomII Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Before Tolkien elves were like this, but evil. Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll!
Gromnir Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 elves should be of a size that they could fit in a shoe box... doll-sized. it will be our personal goal to put every elf we meet into an appropriate shoe-box... stuff them faeries with sawdust and sew buttons over their eye-sockets. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
ArkhanTheBlack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Before Tolkien elves were like this, but evil. Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. Edited October 22, 2012 by ArkhanTheBlack 1
Tale Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Aloth looks as tall as the rest of the group. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
nikolokolus Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 So... what was Mr. ****' "take on the fey", then? Tall and sort of alien 2
Gromnir Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Before Tolkien elves were like this, but evil. Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. being a "fundamentally religious and Catholic work," those elves from tolkien's lotr take as much inspiration from angels as from norse light-elves. that being said, folklore elves, previous to tolkien, does have pretty broad range o' types... some malevolent and others benign. regardless, they all belong in shoe-boxes with buttons for eyes. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
DocDoomII Posted October 22, 2012 Posted October 22, 2012 Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. Hmmm, I never though about parallelism between Tolkien's Elves and the Tuatha De Danann. I know little of them, but aren't they something like the Olympian Gods? Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll!
rjshae Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Why can't elves come in a greater size range than humans? "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
Hellfell Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Why can't elves come in a greater size range than humans? They definitely can. Elder scrolls high levels are like 2+ meters tall. Only boring people get bored
JWestfall Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 I don't much care about the size of elves as a whole (within reason), but I am concerned about the size of their ears (relative to body size, of course). When ears start to look more like antennae, it kills it for me.
Sugarjaye Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Aloth looks as tall as the rest of the group. That is true, I never thought of that. The shadow in the corner of your eye. The cold steel pressed to your throat. The beautiful vision that may be your last. Do not breath, for the Petite Death has your Soul in her hand.
Sugarjaye Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. Hmmm, I never though about parallelism between Tolkien's Elves and the Tuatha De Danann. I know little of them, but aren't they something like the Olympian Gods? Aren't all religions gods and goddesses similar if you look at it like that. The shadow in the corner of your eye. The cold steel pressed to your throat. The beautiful vision that may be your last. Do not breath, for the Petite Death has your Soul in her hand.
AgentOrange Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. Hmmm, I never though about parallelism between Tolkien's Elves and the Tuatha De Danann. I know little of them, but aren't they something like the Olympian Gods? Aren't all religions gods and goddesses similar if you look at it like that. Hindu has the best gods. I mean they've got gods with elephant heads and ****, it's brilliant. Why is Shin Megami Tensei one the so few RPGs that look to the Hindu religion for inspiration, instead of all the banal **** boring Western religions.
Sugarjaye Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Well, that was one type of elf which is usually called a gnome or halfling nowadays. But there were different types as well. The Tolkien elves took more inspriration from the Ljósálfar, the light elves from Norse mythology, or the Tuatha De Danann of celtic mythology. I definitely prefer this type. We already have gnomes (or Orlans?!). No need for gnomes V2. Hmmm, I never though about parallelism between Tolkien's Elves and the Tuatha De Danann. I know little of them, but aren't they something like the Olympian Gods? Aren't all religions gods and goddesses similar if you look at it like that. Hindu has the best gods. I mean they've got gods with elephant heads and ****, it's brilliant. Why is Shin Megami Tensei one the so few RPGs that look to the Hindu religion for inspiration, instead of all the banal **** boring Western religions. The Egyptian Gods and Goddesses also had Animal heads and features. Anubis the Jackal Headed god of mummification, the after-life and guardian of the scales. The shadow in the corner of your eye. The cold steel pressed to your throat. The beautiful vision that may be your last. Do not breath, for the Petite Death has your Soul in her hand.
bronzepoem Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 I should say...who care... Her mind is Tiffany-twisted, She got the Mercedes Benz She's got a lot of pretty, pretty boys, that she calls friends How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat. Some dance to remember, some dance to forget
Elerond Posted October 23, 2012 Posted October 23, 2012 Elves should be long, because I need my basketball team back
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