The Iraq war was a disgrace, but sometimes we forget just how much

[TrashMan]

 

I continue to remain open to somebody prosecuting a case in support of a peacekeeping mission to remove a dictator and institute democracy and civil law in a country. As long as such a mission upholds international human rights and does not involve war crimes from the West. I can certainly name some places in the world where I feel the West SHOULD intervene, but until I see evidence the West can do that ethically I can't support any such move.

 

 

I remain open to somebody invading the west and removing idiots from power too.

 

 

Sovereignty only counts for something if you like the people in power.

[TrashMan]

 

 

History shows Saddam was a violent, evil man and any attempts to characterise him as otherwise are suspect.

 

History is written by the victors.

 

I don't believe Saddam was a good man by any streatch, but to pretend I KNOW everything there is to know about him? I do not. I doubt any of us do. Media and propaganda do their bit too.

 

Ultimatively, dictatorships are unstable and crumble on their own. Saddams rule would have ended with or without the US intervention given time.

 

 

As for governments and alturism - I do not believe that for a second. In a kingdom, I might. When all choices are made by one man, that man MIGHT be good. Rare, but possible. For an entire senate of politicans to be good? Astronomical is an understatement. Too many interests, too many groups, too many deals, too many people.
 

[Hildegard]

So ISIS soldiers have our newest grenade launchers that even our own military doesn't have as standard issue. And from our port of Rijeka unmarked containers and containers of suspected weapons from all over Europe went to Syria. Guess western connections and Saudi money works wonders. Back Iran against their own people, backfires. Back Saddam against Iran and by doing so help him develop WMDs, backfires. Creating Al Qaida to fight the Soviets, backfires. Backing ISIS among other groups, backfires. I really wonder what will backfire next. I guess Egypt when some radical lunatics take over and grab all those US and Western weapons under their control. But on the other hand I can hardly believe so many blunders happening one after the other, guess some just want chaos and conflict in this part of the world. 

[Gfted1]

Sounds like you guys need better security.

[Rostere]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4354/isis-jordan

Syria, Iraq, and maybe Jordan next.

I would SO like to see these guys take on Saudi Arabia. Pwetty please? I'll bring my popcorn. That way the Saudis will finally get to look militant Salafism in the eye. And maybe the rest of the world can get a well-earned vacation from that entire segment of religious nutjobs.

 

EDIT: Okay, maybe I should be careful about what I wish for. Speaking seriously, I would of course want less conflict in the world, not more. Seeing SA and ISIS duke it out would definitely be some sort of poetic justice, though. Here is another very informative article, detailing the ISIS fifth column in Saudi Arabia. When you think about it, the odds are ISIS might even have an easier time in SA than in Iraq.

Edited June 25, 2014 by Rostere

[BruceVC]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4354/isis-jordan

 

Syria, Iraq, and maybe Jordan next.

 

I would SO like to see these guys take on Saudi Arabia. Pwetty please? I'll bring my popcorn. That way the Saudis will finally get to look militant Salafism in the eye. And maybe the rest of the world can get a well-earned vacation from that entire segment of religious nutjobs.

 

EDIT: Okay, maybe I should be careful about what I wish for. Speaking seriously, I would of course want less conflict in the world, not more. Seeing SA and ISIS duke it out would definitely be some sort of poetic justice, though. Here is another very informative article, detailing the ISIS fifth column in Saudi Arabia. When you think about it, the odds are ISIS might even have an easier time in SA than in Iraq.

 

Interesting post. I know you know this but within the Sunni dominated Western friendly countries in the ME like Qatar, Jordan, UAE and Saudi Arabia there are people who fund the likes of Al-Qaeda. But the governments of these countries are opposed to Islamic fundamentalism because they have been targeted themselves and these countries have helped the West in there fight against the more radical Islamic element. But if these countries were seriously threatened by an invading ISIS force I am confident the West would directly intervene. If not due to political alliances but in the interest of oil security which makes sense

[Walsingham]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4354/isis-jordan

 

Syria, Iraq, and maybe Jordan next.

 

I would SO like to see these guys take on Saudi Arabia. Pwetty please? I'll bring my popcorn. That way the Saudis will finally get to look militant Salafism in the eye. And maybe the rest of the world can get a well-earned vacation from that entire segment of religious nutjobs.

 

EDIT: Okay, maybe I should be careful about what I wish for. Speaking seriously, I would of course want less conflict in the world, not more. Seeing SA and ISIS duke it out would definitely be some sort of poetic justice, though. Here is another very informative article, detailing the ISIS fifth column in Saudi Arabia. When you think about it, the odds are ISIS might even have an easier time in SA than in Iraq.

 

While I understand your tongue in cheek concept, I'm not in favour of these holy-rolling rapists invading anywhere.

[Rostere]

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4354/isis-jordan

 

Syria, Iraq, and maybe Jordan next.

 

I would SO like to see these guys take on Saudi Arabia. Pwetty please? I'll bring my popcorn. That way the Saudis will finally get to look militant Salafism in the eye. And maybe the rest of the world can get a well-earned vacation from that entire segment of religious nutjobs.

 

EDIT: Okay, maybe I should be careful about what I wish for. Speaking seriously, I would of course want less conflict in the world, not more. Seeing SA and ISIS duke it out would definitely be some sort of poetic justice, though. Here is another very informative article, detailing the ISIS fifth column in Saudi Arabia. When you think about it, the odds are ISIS might even have an easier time in SA than in Iraq.

 

While I understand your tongue in cheek concept, I'm not in favour of these holy-rolling rapists invading anywhere.

 

Not even the land which is (uh, was) money-rolling the holy-rolling rapists? If I could choose between ISIS being suddenly abducted by aliens or them attacking SA, I would obviously choose the former, but where is the Shakespeare in aliens? If I was George R.R. Martin writing current real events I would totally have ISIS invade Saudi Arabia. As a powerless observer who has no way to influence current events down there, I know for sure I will procure my popcorn and pretend the world is a grim-dark parable or apologue.

[obyknven]

ISIS completely destroy 9th elite tank division of US puppets. Allahu Akbar!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/Alanbar_news/media

 

Meanwhile in imaginary world of US president Murica win war in Iraq yet in 2011 year and everything is ok here ( democracy as in any another  invaded by US country, Somalia for example ).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/14/barack-obama-iraq-war-success

[Rostere]

This was quite funny:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nigZzgf4Y

 

A short sketch mocking ISIS on Palestinian TV.

[Walsingham]

Washington Post story about the 9th Iraqi armoured, oby's pics show.

 

Looks like ISIS paid off the officers and whenthe officers ran, the men ran. But another unit, of commandos, held the refinery successfully. Hardly the heroic fighting conquest oby would like to portray.

 

Of course, I've never met an actual Russian who'd cheer for jihadists. Because, you know, Chechnya, domestic terrorism, and Afghanistan. But who'd still be stupid enough to think oby was Russian?

Edited July 12, 2014 by Walsingham

[Fighter]

The core of ISIS are chechen millitants. These are the most vile fighters anywhere without regard for who they fight armed soldiers or children, they prefer the latter when they can't deal with the former. If they ever get kicked out of Iraq and Syria more than likely we'll have to kill them ourselves somewhere in Dagestan. I don't know what oby is cheering.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677683/The-face-evil-Young-red-bearded-Chechen-recognisable-commander-Isis-terror-group.html

 

Plus the new Iraq government would be a good client for our arms industry. There are already good deals in place and if they collapse no one knows what happens. I don't want ISIS parading in front of brand new Mi-28 helicopters that are soon to be deliverd to Iraq.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Fighter

[BruceVC]

The core of ISIS are chechen millitants. These are the most vile fighters anywhere without regard for who they fight armed soldiers or children, they prefer the latter when they can't deal with the former. If they ever get kicked out of Iraq and Syria more than likely we'll have to kill them ourselves somewhere in Dagestan. I don't know what oby is cheering.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677683/The-face-evil-Young-red-bearded-Chechen-recognisable-commander-Isis-terror-group.html

 

Plus the new Iraq government would be a good client for our arms industry. There are already good deals in place and if they collapse no one knows what happens. I don't want ISIS parading in front of brand new Mi-28 helicopters that are soon to be deliverd to Iraq.

 

I agree, Chechens have a history of  brutality  even amongst the ranks of Islamic fundamentalists

[Malcador]

Well, I guess oby could be cheering for the enemy of my enemy type of thinking.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/15/isil-captured-52-us-made-howitzers-artillery-weapo/ ISIL nabbed some howitzers and Humvees too, whoops.

[Walsingham]

Well, I guess oby could be cheering for the enemy of my enemy type of thinking.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/15/isil-captured-52-us-made-howitzers-artillery-weapo/ ISIL nabbed some howitzers and Humvees too, whoops.

 

I don't believe for one second that oby's Russian, but there may be young Russians who see it that way.

 

And they're morons.

[HoonDing]

Oh, those clowns haven't been carpet bombed yet? Did Russia veto again or something

[Fighter]

Oh, those clowns haven't been carpet bombed yet? Did Russia veto again or something

 

What Russia vetoes is you helping them in Syria.

[Walsingham]

 

Oh, those clowns haven't been carpet bombed yet? Did Russia veto again or something

 

What Russia vetoes is you helping them in Syria.

 

 

Touche.

[HoonDing]

I'm not helping them, I want them all dead.

[Walsingham]

Carpet bombing a friendly nation <graunching noise of mental gears> is obviously a bad thing. But I genuinely don't understand why we aren't drone schwacking every fuel lorry in the rebel areas.

 

It would stop the bastards selling oil and generating funds. And would presumably massively complicate their supply and movement.

[Fighter]

I think after having declared mission complete getting involved again would just finalize the failure. Maybe they are praying against all odds Iraq can still fend for itself after it's been 'liberated'.

[Walsingham]

I am afraid that Iraq faces a choice between ethnic cleansing beard-nazis and the 21st century. I only hope they make the right decision. Because while I don't think the situation is hopeless, I do think that only the Iraqis themselves can fight this new phase of the war.

[HoonDing]

So these clowns have nearly reached the Turkish border and meanwhilst 40,000 people are starving on a mountain. Let's get off our asses.

[Leferd]

President Obama just announced humanitarian air drops and targeted air strikes as needed.

[Gromnir]

President Obama just announced humanitarian air drops and targeted air strikes as needed.

a d20 roll will determine which will be more appropriate in any given situation.

 

"oh, sorry. i know you need medical supplies and food, but john kerry rolled a 5, so we will be sending an ac-130 gunship your way in about five minutes. just be happy he didn't get a natural 1."

 

HA! Good Fun!