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[213374U]

Err... Czechoslovakia was dismantled after Hitler made use of "ethnic tensions" (and a good deal of intimidation) to get Slovaks to declare independence from Czechoslovakia. Britain and France had only been involved in the Sudetenland question, and there were no clauses in the Munich Agreement that allowed for German occupation of the remainder of the country.

 

While I understand and agree with your clarification about the M-R pact not being a "proper" alliance, the Munich Agreement just isn't the same -- one was meant to split the spoils of a planned war, while the other was, at least on paper, meant to avoid war.

[Killian Kalthorne]

LoF, this has finally passed annoying. You're starting to ****ing scare me. You have ****ing issues. Do you not understand that Stalin and his ****wads killed millions of people for absolutely no valid reason?

Agreed. His behavior is disturbing at best, insulting at most. I wouldn't mind one bit if he was removed from these forums.

[Zoraptor]

Err... Czechoslovakia was dismantled after Hitler made use of "ethnic tensions" (and a good deal of intimidation) to get Slovaks to declare independence from Czechoslovakia. Britain and France had only been involved in the Sudetenland question, and there were no clauses in the Munich Agreement that allowed for German occupation of the remainder of the country.

 

While I understand and agree with your clarification about the M-R pact not being a "proper" alliance, the Munich Agreement just isn't the same -- one was meant to split the spoils of a planned war, while the other was, at least on paper, meant to avoid war.

Yeah, they certainly aren't directly equivalent, it was meant more as a comparative rather than as a prescriptive, in that antagonistic 1st and 2nd parties could cooperate in chopping bits off a third without being 'allied' in any real sense.

[obyknven]

LoF, this has finally passed annoying. You're starting to ****ing scare me. You have ****ing issues. Do you not understand that Stalin and his ****wads killed millions of people for absolutely no valid reason?

You are so intolerant to LOF! Although if you're from the U.S. it is not surprising. America only tends to be tolerant when the cameras are watching them. In U.S. Many people who seemed to think black people were sub human, or that mexicans were destroying the economy etc. All I can say its a good job those people are not policy makers. People just seem to be afraid of anything they dont understand. America is seen to be intolerant, hypocritical and ignorant of the rest of the world. They are swinging their weight all over the globe to suit their own selfish interests.

The fall of the USSR was the worst thing to happen. Now nobody can counter balance American activity.

 

The thing is, no country does. The main reason the US gets away with things is because most of the time everyone else agrees with them. Nobody liked Saddam, for example, but most countries weren't willing to actually do anything because of the lack of any good excuse and so on. However, when someone else decided to attack him, no-one really wanted to stop them, they just stood around saying how terrible it was. It's a bit like someone attacking the school bully. Most people aren't willing to do it themselves, but if someone else does, no-one will try to stop them. If they attacked a popular kid, things would be different. If the US decided to attack, say, Spain, there would be one hell of a fuss. The US only has a carte blanche to do what they like as long as what they like is what everyone else likes.

 

As for the US being intolerant, I have one thing to say - Top Gear. In how many countries would you have rocks thrown at you and threatened to be shot simply for saying gays are good and country and western isn't? And not just at anyone, but at the presenters of an extremely popular TV show, on camera. Yes, there are plenty of perfectly tolerant Americans, but there is a significant number of incredibly intolerant bigots who drag the whole country down. I'm sorry that you live in one of the most intolerant and bigoted first world countries

[lord of flies]

The fall of the USSR was the worst thing to happen.

Agreed.

Yes, there are plenty of perfectly tolerant Americans, but there is a significant number of incredibly intolerant bigots who drag the whole country down. I'm sorry that you live in one of the most intolerant and bigoted first world countries

The United States is probably one of the least racist first world countries in the world. Though that's really an indictment of the first world rather than absolution for the United States. Many other first world countries have prominent, openly racist political parties. At least in the United States, our prominent racist parties (e.g. Republicans, Democrats) at least pretend not to be racist (anymore). There was a long and concerted campaign that the United States underwent (and should continue to undergo) to undermine and eliminate racism, whereas the rest of the first world never really did this.

[Walsingham]

You're saying the US is less racist than - say - Denmark or Britain? The very concept of a 'black' club would leave people in the UK scratching their heads. Yet they're commonplace in many areas of the US. Never mind how people react to native Americans.

 

Man I'd love to be you. You don't have sensory inputs, you just make **** up and feed it in the same port, don't you? Must be a phenomenal time saver.

[Hurlshort]

The US is fairly difficult to peg with the whole tolerance label. It is an incredibly large nation with an incredibly diverse national identity. There is a ton of racism, sexism, and bigotry, I'll concede that. But it is also possible to succeed no matter what your station in life, and those chances of success are many. A land of opportunity, if you will.

[Walsingham]

The US is fairly difficult to peg with the whole tolerance label. It is an incredibly large nation with an incredibly diverse national identity. There is a ton of racism, sexism, and bigotry, I'll concede that. But it is also possible to succeed no matter what your station in life, and those chances of success are many. A land of opportunity, if you will.

 

Sorry. I did sound as if I was anti US there. Not intentional.

 

EDIT: snipped irrelevant comments about anti-americanism.

Edited April 12, 2010 by Walsingham

[213374U]

If they attacked a popular kid, things would be different. If the US decided to attack, say, Spain, there would be one hell of a fuss.

ORLY?

 

Further, I'm thinking that if the US leveled Spain, chances are the rest of the EU would thank them for freeing them from such an economic dead weight...

[Killian Kalthorne]

Wait, I thought that was Greece.

[Walsingham]

If they attacked a popular kid, things would be different. If the US decided to attack, say, Spain, there would be one hell of a fuss.

ORLY?

 

Further, I'm thinking that if the US leveled Spain, chances are the rest of the EU would thank them for freeing them from such an economic dead weight...

 

We can't get rid of Spain. Spain is a key economic producer of sexy ladies, and poetry to woo same.

[Volourn]

"In U.S. Many people who seemed to think black people were sub human, or that mexicans were destroying the economy etc. All I can say its a good job those people are not policy makers. People just seem to be afraid of anything they dont understand. America is seen to be intolerant, hypocritical and ignorant of the rest of the world. They are swinging their weight all over the globe to suit their own selfish interests."

 

LMAO It's hilairous when someone labels something intoelrant when they're intolerant themselves.

 

Aren you claiming the US voted a subhuman as their President? It doens't make sense.

 

Let's not forget the Civil War was in large part to release BLACK slaves that were sold into slavery by their fellow BLACKS?

 

Let's not forget that the majority of the world has enjoyed slavery at one time or another. Espicially those palces that have actually had the power to do so.

 

 

"America is seen to be intolerant, hypocritical and ignorant of the rest of the world. They are swinging their weight all over the globe to suit their own selfish interests"

 

Only by hypocrites who cry because they lack power or else they'd do the exact same thing.

 

 

The vast majority of Amerikans have no problem with minorities. Also, it should be noted, that post 9/11 while other coutnries really got their racist on when dealing with Arabs/Muslims; in comaprison, Amerikan Muslims were treated beter there are exemptions, of course). LMAO

 

It should be noted that Muslims are treated way better in Amerika then even in Muslim dominated countries. Just ask Iranians.

[Killian Kalthorne]

Actually the main crux of the American Civil War was State rights Vs. Federal Rights in controlling the direction of the country. Slavery was the justification for war over this issue.

[Walsingham]

No blood for cotton!