Volourn Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 "In any case, odd to say the 90's are overrated for gaming, mostly people mention that with regards to the quality rather than the popularity." The problem is that people tend to remember the good and not the bad. There was a lot of crap made in the 90s (as there is in the 00s) that are forgotten. The Gb games are a prime example of this. People remember the Gb fondly and while the Gb games ahd some darn good games (POR being most noteable); there was a lot of crap too hence why the GBG and the developers crashed and burned. 10 years from now the popular games will be remembered and the crappy ones will be forgotten so people then will fiondly remember the 00s too. This is what I call the 'old geezer disease' ala 'everything was better in my day' or 'thuings were tough but it made us tougher' (otherwise known as the'in my days we had to trudge through 5 miles of deep snow to get to school so that makes me better than you'). DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Wrath of Dagon Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 For me, the main "innovation" of the wheel is that you only had to pick the intent, and then the PC response would be voiced. This actually changes (I won't say improves, as that's debatable) dialog quite a bit. It was very noticeable when I took Morrigan into the Veil in DAO. To have her put things her own way was quite a contrast to selecting PC lines as usual. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Purkake Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I guess I played Mass Effect too long ago. The intention thing is kind of nice, as is actually hearing your character speak.
RPGmasterBoo Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I guess I played Mass Effect too long ago. The intention thing is kind of nice, as is actually hearing your character speak. Until you actually hear him and the rest speak, and start wishing you had it all written down so you don't have to sit through it. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Oner Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You guys always complain about Mark Meer, but you all forget what's really important... The ****ing SKIP DIALOGUE BUTTON. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 The truth is you don't need to listen to any skippable dialogue in ME. You can guess everything by yourself and what you can't guess can be checked in 10 seconds in the quest log. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Oner Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Yay, I can skip the optional inquiries, now I just have to wait for them to finish with the 10 minute obligatory exposition. Wandaful. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Purkake Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I guess I played Mass Effect too long ago. The intention thing is kind of nice, as is actually hearing your character speak. Until you actually hear him and the rest speak, and start wishing you had it all written down so you don't have to sit through it. Him? Jennifer Hale is awesome.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I guess I played Mass Effect too long ago. The intention thing is kind of nice, as is actually hearing your character speak. Until you actually hear him and the rest speak, and start wishing you had it all written down so you don't have to sit through it. Him? Jennifer Hale is awesome. Yeah I don't get it either. There's a male version of Shepard? "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
RPGmasterBoo Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 The truth is you don't need to listen to any skippable dialogue in ME. You can guess everything by yourself and what you can't guess can be checked in 10 seconds in the quest log. That's when it turned from a minor annoyance to tragedy. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Talonfire Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You guys always complain about Mark Meer, but you all forget what's really important... The ****ing SKIP DIALOGUE BUTTON. That's not the point. If you're going to force a PC voice down our throats at least use a decent voice actor; not the Hayden Christensen of voice actors.
RPGmasterBoo Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I guess I played Mass Effect too long ago. The intention thing is kind of nice, as is actually hearing your character speak. Until you actually hear him and the rest speak, and start wishing you had it all written down so you don't have to sit through it. Him? Jennifer Hale is awesome. Lulled by the promise of interspecies sex i opted to retain my pecker not knowing the full extent of my error until it was too late. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Volourn Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) "That's not the point. If you're going to force a PC voice down our throats at least use a decent voice actor; not the Hayden Christensen of voice actors." Chistensen is underrated. So is Mark Meer though female shep is hotter. P.S. You aren't forced to do anything. You do NOT have to play the game. Edited January 11, 2010 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Purkake Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) Lulled by the promise of interspecies sex i opted to retain my pecker not knowing the full extent of my error until it was too late. You missed out on all the awesome lesbian interspecies sex "That's not the point. If you're going to force a PC voice down our throats at least use a decent voice actor; not the Hayden Christensen of voice actors." Chistensen is underrated. So is Mark Meer though female shep is hotter. P.S. You aren't forced to do anything. You do NOT have to play the game. You'd have to expand the scale into the negatives to accurately measure the horror that is Hayden Christensen's acting. Edited January 11, 2010 by Purkake
Oner Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) You guys always complain about Mark Meer, but you all forget what's really important... The ****ing SKIP DIALOGUE BUTTON. That's not the point. If you're going to force a PC voice down our throats at least use a decent voice actor; not the Hayden Christensen of voice actors. The point is, you either have to listen to boring overly long exposition or you listen to badly VAd exposition. Or both. Normally if either bothers you, you skip it. In ME, you can't. Jennifer Hale is awesome.The voice may be awesome, the PC isn't. Edited January 11, 2010 by Oner Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
RPGmasterBoo Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 You missed out on all the awesome lesbian interspecies sex That doesn't do it for me I'm afraid Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
Talonfire Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) P.S. You aren't forced to do anything. You do NOT have to play the game. Voice acting doesn't make a game. I liked some aspects of Mass Effect, but the PC voice work was not one of them. The point is, you either have to listen to boring overly long exposition or you listen to badly VAd exposition. Or both. Normally if either bothers you, you skip it. In ME, you can't. Well you can, but it's not a good idea to do so unless you like viewing message history logs every several minutes. I'm pretty sure I've skipped exposition several times before; of course it's been a while since I played the game. Edited January 11, 2010 by Talonfire
Purkake Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Jennifer Hale is awesome.The voice may be awesome, the PC isn't. For a space marine, she holds her own pretty well
Volourn Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 "Voice acting doesn't make a game. I liked some aspects of Mass Effect, but the PC voice work was not one of them." Then suffer. *shrug* I loathe BL's combat but suffered through it. I disliked NWN OC's resting/respawning/portal junk but suffered through it. I disliked PST's main protagnist even yet still suffered through. Suck it up if you like other aspects, or move on. Still, don't think Meer was horrible. He got the point across for the most part. I think if he changed his tone a bit more, he would have hit a homerun. He's certainly not worthy of all the absolute hatred that goes his way. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Killian Kalthorne Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 I have to concur with my colleague on that one. I have heard far far far worse voice acting than Mark Meer. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Purkake Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Hey! No hating on TNO, he did what he had to for reasons of his own. Also, he was really really sorry afterwards.
Oner Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 TNO? Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Killian Kalthorne Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 The Nameless One, Oner "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
Oner Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Oh. I though he means . Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
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