Hell Kitty Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Bethesda didn't make this move, ZeniMax Media did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 A shame really. As someone said, it is like an end of an era. Valve will be bought by Microsoft and Epic will be bought by Activision. Oh well, maybe something new will come instead. As they say, "nothing changes". Valve would be stupid to allow themselves to be bought, Steam is making them tons of money and their games aren't selling bad either. Epic, I couldn't care less about. Gabe left MS on good terms when he formed Valve, and he has stated several times that he would consider to sell Valve for the right price. Thus, Microsoft would be the natural bidder. Epic hasn't done anything interesting since Unreal Tournament 2004, but they made the original Unreal 1 back in the day, which excuses them eternally for any future mistake. While EA and MS have bought studios that cover basically almost every market segment, Activision has no serious FPSs on the market. I wouldn't be suprised if they bidded for Epic, considering their success on Gears of War. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) Gabe left MS on good terms when he formed Valve, and he has stated several times that he would consider to sell Valve for the right price. Thus, Microsoft would be the natural bidder. Epic hasn't done anything interesting since Unreal Tournament 2004, but they made the original Unreal 1 back in the day, which excuses them eternally for any future mistake. While EA and MS have bought studios that cover basically almost every market segment, Activision has no serious FPSs on the market. I wouldn't be suprised if they bidded for Epic, considering their success on Gears of War. Gabe would never sell out to MS, because this would mean they'll be degraded to a Xbox 360-only firm. Besides, Valve could probably buy MS. Epic? Why would they sell out? And what would that mean for their successful middleware? Seriously, some companies have to remain independent. And Activision has the Call of Duty franchise. I don't get why you say they have no serious FPS on the market. Edited June 25, 2009 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Gabe would never sell out to MS, because this would mean they'll be degraded to a Xbox 360-only firm. Besides, Valve could probably buy MS. With the success of their games and especially steam as a distribution platform, Valve isn't going to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramza Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Who cares about Beth anyway? Their games are average at best... They just got their recent notoriety thanks to a great game/licence developed by another company... "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Who cares about Beth anyway? Their games are average at best... They just got their recent notoriety thanks to a great game/licence developed by another company... I'm pretty sure they made Oblivion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Who cares about Beth anyway? Their games are average at best... They just got their recent notoriety thanks to a great game/licence developed by another company... Unfortunately, the FO fanbase didn't consist of 8-or-whatever million people, and they left most of the stuff that made FO good out, so... Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Chung Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Who cares about Beth anyway? Their games are average at best... They just got their recent notoriety thanks to a great game/licence developed by another company... You can argue about whether Bethesda's games are any good, but they got their recent sales thanks to Fallout 3 being a Bethesda game. If Obsidian had gotten the Fallout license, you can bet whatever game they made would not have sold nearly as much as Bethesda's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) Huh, I'm a bit surprised Bethesda would make this move, they don't buy studios all that often and this is the first big name one. Although id doesn't have a lot in the pipeline that I can think of, Doom and Quakewars...have they worked on anything else in the last 5 years? All this really tells me is that Bethesda is doing very well for itself, and I don't see that as a negative at all. the new 3D engine... their 3D stuff made zillion times bigger money for iD than selling all of the Quake and Doom merchandise combined... Edited June 25, 2009 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Gamasutra interview with Pete Hines and John Carmack I think both pretty much made clear that they won't have any joint-adventure for future games. So no Doom Roleplaying game from Bethy, and no Elder Scrolls FPS from id. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjc Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) Who cares about Beth anyway? We're talking about them as a publisher. One of their first new titles announced after Fallout 3 was something as intriguing as New Vegas. In what conditions are they open to publishing externally developed RPGs? Oblivion was supported by DLC from its release in 2006 to the release of Shivering Isles one year later. The release of Mothership Zeta will raise the total cost of acquiring all Fallout 3 DLC nearly to the final cost of Oblivion's, with still a few months to go before the one year anniversary of the title and probably a year on top of that before New Vegas. How much further will Fallout 3 DLC go? As long as it still sells? This year has been pretty dry for major RPG releases, but in a few months everyone gets hammered with Dragon Age, Alpha Protocol, and Bioshock 2, then Mass Effect 2 some time after that. I think a major question is whether New Vegas or any other hypothetical title developed by an outside party is intended to be followed by DLC in the way that their internally developed titles are. I don't imagine they'd want to cut off New Vegas' lifespan with the release of, say, Elder Scrolls 5, but it's a non-issue if New Vegas is more self-contained. It would also mean that they could elect to approach external developers to produce such self-contained titles during any major season when no big Bethesda RPG is slated for release or enjoying ongoing DLC support. Since they probably aren't interested in letting anyone else touch Elder Scrolls, that would imply titles based either on Fallout or presently unknown IP. This is all speculation that supposes Bethesda have any interest in becoming more prolific as an RPG publisher beyond New Vegas. Edited June 25, 2009 by jjc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syraxis Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Whatever happens next, I hope the next game will have better shadowing. As good as their world art is, that is my biggest gripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhlaab Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Considering the way it treats art assets, the rage engine seems like a perfect fit for bethesda's games. Well, hmm... it really depends on how well it handles streaming large amounts of data. I know it does huge environments, but I wonder if id's engine can only make huge, self-contained maps instead of a giant overworld area that streams in and out of memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gabe left MS on good terms when he formed Valve, and he has stated several times that he would consider to sell Valve for the right price. Thus, Microsoft would be the natural bidder. Epic hasn't done anything interesting since Unreal Tournament 2004, but they made the original Unreal 1 back in the day, which excuses them eternally for any future mistake. While EA and MS have bought studios that cover basically almost every market segment, Activision has no serious FPSs on the market. I wouldn't be suprised if they bidded for Epic, considering their success on Gears of War. Gabe would never sell out to MS, because this would mean they'll be degraded to a Xbox 360-only firm. Besides, Valve could probably buy MS. Epic? Why would they sell out? And what would that mean for their successful middleware? Seriously, some companies have to remain independent. And Activision has the Call of Duty franchise. I don't get why you say they have no serious FPS on the market. Gabe has expressed his eternal love for the Xbox360 several times, about as much as his scepticism for the PS3. Again, he left Microsoft on good terms, he like their consoles and they also distribute games for his favourite platform: The PC. What's not to lose? Epic is in the very same situation as ID was years ago, constantly switching between distributors. It is only natural for them to follow ID's footsteps. I take back about Activision, i completely forgot about CoD Maybe Square-Enix will buy them or something. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gabe has expressed his eternal love for the Xbox360 several times, about as much as his scepticism for the PS3. Again, he left Microsoft on good terms, he like their consoles and they also distribute games for his favourite platform: The PC. What's not to lose? Epic is in the very same situation as ID was years ago, constantly switching between distributors. It is only natural for them to follow ID's footsteps. I take back about Activision, i completely forgot about CoD Maybe Square-Enix will buy them or something. Yes yes, Gabe has often expressed that the Xbox 360 will be supported. But would you want to see Valve becoming a Xbox 360-only firm? Besides, they have Steam, so they're not in any need of getting bought out. Epic? They have a 10 years plan for Gears of Wars, exclusively with Microsoft. Where dou you see "switching distributors" there? Sorry, doesn't compute. I do seem to remember though that Mark Reign once mentioned MS would have to offer 2 billions to buy Epic. I think not even MS is that crazy. And why would they? MS is only interested in their own Xbox 360, buying Epic would alienate Unreal Engine for PS3/PC clients most certainly. Square-Enix isn't big enough to buy Activision-Blizzard. It's more like the other way around, but it seems Activision only cares about Guitar Hero, CoD and the WOW revenues. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gabe has expressed his eternal love for the Xbox360 several times, about as much as his scepticism for the PS3. Again, he left Microsoft on good terms, he like their consoles and they also distribute games for his favourite platform: The PC. What's not to lose? Epic is in the very same situation as ID was years ago, constantly switching between distributors. It is only natural for them to follow ID's footsteps. I take back about Activision, i completely forgot about CoD Maybe Square-Enix will buy them or something. Yes yes, Gabe has often expressed that the Xbox 360 will be supported. But would you want to see Valve becoming a Xbox 360-only firm? Besides, they have Steam, so they're not in any need of getting bought out. Epic? They have a 10 years plan for Gears of Wars, exclusively with Microsoft. Where dou you see "switching distributors" there? Sorry, doesn't compute. I do seem to remember though that Mark Reign once mentioned MS would have to offer 2 billions to buy Epic. I think not even MS is that crazy. And why would they? MS is only interested in their own Xbox 360, buying Epic would alienate Unreal Engine for PS3/PC clients most certainly. Square-Enix isn't big enough to buy Activision-Blizzard. It's more like the other way around, but it seems Activision only cares about Guitar Hero, CoD and the WOW revenues. Stop ruining my trolling. And i meant that Square-Enix should buy Epic, not Activision. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Square-Enix-Epic It's like a monster that keeps adding parts to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhlaab Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gabe has expressed his eternal love for the Xbox360 several times, about as much as his scepticism for the PS3. Again, he left Microsoft on good terms, he like their consoles and they also distribute games for his favourite platform: The PC. What's not to lose? Epic is in the very same situation as ID was years ago, constantly switching between distributors. It is only natural for them to follow ID's footsteps. I take back about Activision, i completely forgot about CoD Maybe Square-Enix will buy them or something. Yes yes, Gabe has often expressed that the Xbox 360 will be supported. But would you want to see Valve becoming a Xbox 360-only firm? Besides, they have Steam, so they're not in any need of getting bought out. Epic? They have a 10 years plan for Gears of Wars, exclusively with Microsoft. Where dou you see "switching distributors" there? Sorry, doesn't compute. I do seem to remember though that Mark Reign once mentioned MS would have to offer 2 billions to buy Epic. I think not even MS is that crazy. And why would they? MS is only interested in their own Xbox 360, buying Epic would alienate Unreal Engine for PS3/PC clients most certainly. Square-Enix isn't big enough to buy Activision-Blizzard. It's more like the other way around, but it seems Activision only cares about Guitar Hero, CoD and the WOW revenues. Stop ruining my trolling. And i meant that Square-Enix should buy Epic, not Activision. Unreal 1 was not as good as you seem to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gabe has expressed his eternal love for the Xbox360 several times, about as much as his scepticism for the PS3. Again, he left Microsoft on good terms, he like their consoles and they also distribute games for his favourite platform: The PC. What's not to lose? Epic is in the very same situation as ID was years ago, constantly switching between distributors. It is only natural for them to follow ID's footsteps. I take back about Activision, i completely forgot about CoD Maybe Square-Enix will buy them or something. Yes yes, Gabe has often expressed that the Xbox 360 will be supported. But would you want to see Valve becoming a Xbox 360-only firm? Besides, they have Steam, so they're not in any need of getting bought out. Epic? They have a 10 years plan for Gears of Wars, exclusively with Microsoft. Where dou you see "switching distributors" there? Sorry, doesn't compute. I do seem to remember though that Mark Reign once mentioned MS would have to offer 2 billions to buy Epic. I think not even MS is that crazy. And why would they? MS is only interested in their own Xbox 360, buying Epic would alienate Unreal Engine for PS3/PC clients most certainly. Square-Enix isn't big enough to buy Activision-Blizzard. It's more like the other way around, but it seems Activision only cares about Guitar Hero, CoD and the WOW revenues. Stop ruining my trolling. And i meant that Square-Enix should buy Epic, not Activision. Unreal 1 was not as good as you seem to remember Nice try, but it is impossible for you to know my experience that i remembered from Unreal 1. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhlaab Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I know that Unreal 1 isn't worth the spit it takes to... uh, spit on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Unreal was an unforgettable experience when it came out in 1998. But I wouldn't want to play it these days. Anyways... I hope we will see more stuff from Epic coming beyond Gears of War. A new IP for a nice change? Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I know that Unreal 1 isn't worth the spit it takes to... uh, spit on it. Great, we now know two different things and how another experienced it. Now, for something completely different... Epic shouldn't do anything new, they should do a remake of Unreal 1 with their next engine (UE4). "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Unreal tournament 3 was disappointing to me, it plays well, but they seem to have removed many of the options that meant you could have the kind of game you liked. Also one or two of the new versions of old weapons are lame. A minigun that turns into a shotgun with altfire. please. Even the menus are ugly. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 The UT franchise died after UT99. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 The UT franchise died after UT99. Yup. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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