Dragon Age

[Monte Carlo]

^ That's the whole point of CRPGs. It's the unique selling point.

 

You can only play, say, Crysis, once or twice (I suppose FPS games rely on multiplayer) but a good CRPG has a matrix of factors that make it replayable. Any half-decent CRPG I've bought I've replayed numerous times: it's one of the things I expect when I buy it. It's also why party-based games (either character-driven or mechanics driven like IWD) are so replayable (next time I'll do it with a party of bards or whatever) are so replayable.

[kirottu]

^ That's the whole point of CRPGs. It's the unique selling point.

 

You can only play, say, Crysis, once or twice (I suppose FPS games rely on multiplayer) but a good CRPG has a matrix of factors that make it replayable. Any half-decent CRPG I've bought I've replayed numerous times: it's one of the things I expect when I buy it. It's also why party-based games (either character-driven or mechanics driven like IWD) are so replayable (next time I'll do it with a party of bards or whatever) are so replayable.

 

Erm, I don

[alanschu]

^ That's the whole point of CRPGs. It's the unique selling point.

 

You can only play, say, Crysis, once or twice (I suppose FPS games rely on multiplayer) but a good CRPG has a matrix of factors that make it replayable. Any half-decent CRPG I've bought I've replayed numerous times: it's one of the things I expect when I buy it. It's also why party-based games (either character-driven or mechanics driven like IWD) are so replayable (next time I'll do it with a party of bards or whatever) are so replayable.

 

 

Yes and no.

 

The first two Baldur's Gates I replayed a fair bit, even though there's really nothing to be gained from replaying the game. Mind you, I've also replayed Half-Life probably 5 or so times, and Half-Life 2 at least twice. Deus Ex numerous times, though that game is a bit better suited to different playthroughs.

 

I suspect I'm rather atypical.

 

 

I agree with kitty man. I replay games because they are fun. Same reason why I rewatch movies, reread a book, etc..

Edited July 5, 2009 by alanschu

[Oner]

I agree with kitty man. I replay games because they are fun. Same reason why I rewatch movies, reread a book, etc..

+1

[alanschu]

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[Maria Caliban]

I always thought re-playability is simply a side effect of a good roleplaying game, in other words, different outcomes for different characters/choices.

 

I've played what many consider to be some of the best cRPGs, but I it's rare for me to complete or replay them.

[Volourn]

I replayed a game called Megamania 100+ times. It has ZERO chocies and consequences. Go figure. *shrug*

[Deraldin]

You need at least +4 to hit me.

 

Who do you think you are? Kangaxx?

[alanschu]

I may be a Demi-Lich.

[Monte Carlo]

I always thought re-playability is simply a side effect of a good roleplaying game, in other words, different outcomes for different characters/choices.

 

I've played what many consider to be some of the best cRPGs, but I it's rare for me to complete or replay them.

 

loving the blog

[Mamoulian War]

"There are several folks who seem to be anti-Dragon Age, but most of them even say they plan on buying it at release."

 

THAT is the Codex Defined.

From what I gather on Codex they plan on infringing it, not buying it a soon as possible

 

 

 

Fixed for you...

[alanschu]

With your fix it doesn't even make any sense now.

 

 

Regardless, it's a semantics battle that isn't necessary. When Kelverin says that they plan on stealing it, it's pretty obvious that he means that they intend to acquire a copy of it without purchasing it.

 

Why get so hung up because he used the word "stealing?"

[Mamoulian War]

With your fix it doesn't even make any sense now.

 

 

Regardless, it's a semantics battle that isn't necessary. When Kelverin says that they plan on stealing it, it's pretty obvious that he means that they intend to acquire a copy of it without purchasing it.

 

Why get so hung up because he used the word "stealing?"

 

Stealing = removing the item from rightful owners ownership

Infringing = breaching copyright of rightful owners intelectual property

 

two very different things

[aries101]

I think most players only play through a game once. I don't. I have played through Baldur's Gate at least 2-3 times; when I'm finished with BG2:TOB, I want to play again, this time as a bard.

 

DA: Origin's sounds incredible and could be very good and nice indeed. It makes sure that maybe people will play the game, or some of it, at least 6 times or maybe even 12 times, since you can play as both a man and a woman.

 

And yes, the codex (rpg) can be quite critical at times. However, I'm sure most of the codexers will buy DA: Origins - and then mod it - to - life - as they probably, being as critical as they are, can see where DA: Origins needs to be made better.

[alanschu]

With your fix it doesn't even make any sense now.

 

 

Regardless, it's a semantics battle that isn't necessary. When Kelverin says that they plan on stealing it, it's pretty obvious that he means that they intend to acquire a copy of it without purchasing it.

 

Why get so hung up because he used the word "stealing?"

 

Stealing = removing the item from rightful owners ownership

Infringing = breaching copyright of rightful owners intelectual property

 

two very different things

 

You clearly knew what he was talking about. And I already know the definitions of the terms and how they are applied chump. So do most people on this board.

 

 

Besides, "infringing" without the very important qualifier of copyright in front of it makes your sentence make zero sense. So your attempt to be all witty and smart made you look pretty damn foolish. I know English isn't your native language, so perhaps it'd be best if you didn't try to make witty corrections like this, you won't fall on your face.

 

 

Why bother get hung up on semantics? What point does it prove to show that "Oh, they're actually doing copy copyright infringement, not stealing." Any intelligent person knows what Kelverin is talking about given the context of his message. In a casual environment such as a message board, there's no need to bother typing out copyright infringement to get the point across (because, again, merely typing "infringement" is going to make zero sense. It's not like we're worried about people encroaching or violating the game now. It's the copyright specifically we're worried about people violating).

[Mamoulian War]

He told they were going to steal the game... that would mean the codex guys decided to go into some shop and rob all the shelves dry...

 

Stealing a game != Infringing on the copyright of the game owner... that's a fact, so don't try to be a smartass...

Edited July 5, 2009 by Mamoulian War

[alanschu]

We already know the differences between stealing and copyright infringement. The joys of the human language.

 

If you actually thought that Kelverin was implying that the Codex people were going into the store and taking items off the shelf, or if you were concerned that other people thought the same thing, then you're sorely mistaken.

 

 

You're the one being the smartass given the "fixed" comment, contributing nothing to the thread.

 

 

Language is fluid and changes all the time. Check this out:

 

http://www.yourdictionary.com/stealing

to take or appropriate (another's property, ideas, etc.) without permission, dishonestly, or unlawfully, esp. in a secret or surreptitious manner (emphasis mine)

 

stealing Synonyms

piracy, embezzlement, shoplifting; see crime 2, theft.

 

Don't like that definition?

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Stealing

To present or use (someone else's words or ideas) as one's own. [aka plagarism which is essentially what copyright infringement is]

Steal is the most general: stole a car; steals research from colleagues.

 

 

Language evolves. When people talk about "stealing" intellectual property, any smart person knows that they are referring to the act of copyright infringement.

Edited July 5, 2009 by alanschu

[Mamoulian War]

you can spin it how much you want Stealing a game is not the same as Downloading a game nor the same as Releasing the game them as your own (aka your plagiarism)

 

If their gonna Dowload it, they gonna break the Copyrights owner Right to make copies of the product... aka they will infringe on their COPY RIGHT!!!

 

Correct terms should be used...

Edited July 5, 2009 by Mamoulian War

[Oner]

Dragon Age should be discussed.

[alanschu]

Agreed but I'm equally as much of an ass and can't help it.

 

Cheers

[Volourn]

"you can spin it how much you want Stealing a game is not the same as Downloading a game nor the same as Releasing the game them as your own (aka your plagiarism)"

 

It's ALL stealing. The defintions give further credence to this. It's you that's spinning. If I take someone's idea and pretend it's mine, that's stealing. You download a game without permission and without paying for it (not counting officially free stuff); it's stealing.

 

P.S. DA > BG

Edited July 5, 2009 by Volourn

[alanschu]

you can spin it how much you want Stealing a game is not the same as Downloading a game nor the same as Releasing the game them as your own (aka your plagiarism)

 

If their gonna Dowload it, they gonna break the Copyrights owner Right to make copies of the product... aka they will infringe on their COPY RIGHT!!!

 

Correct terms should be used...

 

 

 

As our esteemed colleague Volourn pointed out, you're the one spinning it. The definitions I pointed out refer to infringement of copyrights. If I take someone else's idea and present it as my own, I've stolen their work (by the very definition I provided). This is what most cases of IP theft entail. People stealing other people's work and getting it out to market before the originator does.

 

 

Like many words in the English language, they can have various applications.

 

And don't bitch to me about using correct terms, since you decided that using "infringement" was acceptable in place of "copyright infringement."

 

 

The fact that they still refer to IP theft as, well, theft, makes it not too surprising that people will refer to the act as stealing. The thing I hate is when people sidestep the issue, and attempt to obfuscate it by distracting the discussion at hand (people illegally acquiring intellectual property) and making it a discussion about semantics. Unless you feel the distinction is necessary in order to rationalize copyright infringement in some way, such as a victimless crime or something.

 

 

I agree with Volourn, DA > BG. But I think it's pretty close

Edited July 5, 2009 by alanschu

[Enoch]

LOL at the pedantic piracy advocates insisting on the terms that make their crime seem least odious.

 

 

To get back to the discussion on length/replayability, I'm one of those for whom length is sometimes a detriment to my enjoyment of the game. On an average week, I can usually manage 10-ish hours of playtime. 15 if I'm really into a game and let it keep me up later than it should. And I seem to often get sick of whatever type of gameplay after 3 weeks or so and start yearning to play something different. If I'm not close to finishing the game by that point, and if the story/characters/etc. hasn't really hooked me so that I can overlook the gameplay getting dull, it usually goes on the shelf for a while. (And once it's there, it may not come out again.)

 

I'll probably be working my way through Alpha Protocol when Dragon Age comes out, and if the general reception isn't terrible, I'll pick it up at some point within the following couple months. But if they actually deliver on the rumored 80+ hours of gameplay, odds are against me finishing it.

[Monte Carlo]

"you can spin it how much you want Stealing a game is not the same as Downloading a game nor the same as Releasing the game them as your own (aka your plagiarism)"

 

It's ALL stealing. The defintions give further credence to this. It's you that's spinning. If I take someone's idea and pretend it's mine, that's stealing. You download a game without permission and without paying for it (not counting officially free stuff); it's stealing.

 

P.S. DA > BG

 

Things I say once a century: Volourn is on the money. Period.