Prostitution

[alanschu]

To me having to go to a prostitute is for instant gratification and nothing else. What's more instant than jerking off? It's cleaner, cheaper and you don't have to worry about disease and laws.

 

Perhaps they find sex with a woman to be a more enjoyable sex than masturbation. If it truly was just for the instant gratification of achieving orgasm and ejaculating, then prostitution wouldn't be so pervaisive.

[Calax]

why is it that every tic or mildly abnormal behavior is caused by some sort of abuse? Girls aren't nymphettes because they got abused by uncle lester in the feed storage that one time on the farm while mommy and daddy were out shopping. They like sex because sex is fun. Getting paid to do somthing fun is a Good Thing that we are all supposed to strive for.

[alanschu]

I wouldn't dispute that there actually are some prostitutes out there that are, for the most part, relatively healthy people.

[Gorgon]

Its an easy way to make money. I find myself hard pressed to condemn anyone for it. If someone I knew decided to do that for a living I would be disapointed though.

[Hurlshort]

why is it that every tic or mildly abnormal behavior is caused by some sort of abuse? Girls aren't nymphettes because they got abused by uncle lester in the feed storage that one time on the farm while mommy and daddy were out shopping. They like sex because sex is fun. Getting paid to do somthing fun is a Good Thing that we are all supposed to strive for.

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Heh, that's such a guy thing to say. Seriously, there might be a few well-balanced prostitutes out there, but the vast majority have major mental health issues. I've spent many years listening to Howard Stern, and the majority of Porn Stars and Strippers that he interviews had some messed up incident in their childhood. Girls with good parents don't grow up to be prostitutes.

Edited December 19, 2006 by Hurlshot

[alanschu]

I've spent many years listening to Howard Stern, and the majority of Porn Stars and Strippers that he interviews had some messed up incident in their childhood. Girls with good parents don't grow up to be prostitutes

 

Which is the cause and effect though. If prostitution was legal, would it be any different.

 

As for stripper, I actually know someone that is an exotic dancer, and my parents have known her parents for years. I wouldn't say that their family was particularly dysfunctional, so nyah nyah Mr. Stern!

 

I actually do know women that have no beefs against pornography either, so I don't know if it's necessarily just a guy thing to say. Though it wouldn't surprise me if it was a position held more by males however. I don't know what their opinions are of prostitution though.

[Weiser_Cain]

There's no need for prostitution when there are bars, clubs and colleges out there...

[alanschu]

That would certainly explain why prostitution still exists then...

[Pop]

There's no need for prostitution when there are bars, clubs and colleges out there...

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I don't think that's the case. You know how they now have "hunting tours" where they gaurantee a kill for a certain amount? You pay, and then they release the bird near you and you get to shoot it. Comparing prostitution to going out to a bar and picking up someone is akin to comparing traditional hunting, where you might just sit in a blind all day and come home with nothing, to pay-by-kill hunting. Kind of a crude analogy, but it works.

 

As for prostitution, I'm not one usually one to advocate the prohibition of vices, but prostitution in some ways is like child pornography: It's perverse, but moreover, the people involved are exploited. We prohibit child porn in the interests of reducing abuse and exploitation of children (and we allow "simulated" child porn), and we prohibit prostitution in the interests of reducing the abuse and exploitation of women. Same general principle. I wouldn't call someone who frequents brothels a sick **** in the same way, however.

 

The easiest solution to call for is regulation of the industry, because we can't very well get rid of it. Set up brothels and make it incumbent upon the law to protect the women, instead of a pimp or madam. However, as in so many cases, government involvement might not do a goddamn thing for anyone.

[Walsingham]

Firstly, I think taks was bang on about the false premise of assuming that making prostitution illegal prevents it. It blatantly doesn't. It does, however, concentrate the protitution under oragnised crime and pimping, rather than permitting the women to run themselves. In fact i've run into a couple of feminists who took the view that prostitution being illegal was oppression of women, not the other way round.

 

Having said this I've met enough actual prostitutes (steady you giggling gerties, I used to research organised crime) to know that many of them are in the game for bad reasons. Prostitution, and the use of prostitutes is a dirty business. I don't condone it. But I do know that the last thing these women need is to have approbation heaped on their existing worries.

 

I could go on, but I have a theory that no-one reads more than two paragraphs.

[alanschu]

Having said this I've met enough actual prostitutes (steady you giggling gerties, I used to research organised crime) to know that many of them are in the game for bad reasons. Prostitution, and the use of prostitutes is a dirty business. I don't condone it. But I do know that the last thing these women need is to have approbation heaped on their existing worries.

 

Do you think decriminalizing it, and perhaps regulating it, would result in it being less "dirty," so to speak?

[Walsingham]

I think it would mitigate some of the problems, yes. This argument is much like that we had recently about the drugs, as Di pointed out.

[alanschu]

I was making the comparison to the drug discussion as well.

[Walsingham]

I was making the comparison to the drug discussion as well.

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My apologies, senor.

[Gorgon]

All you people who feign ignorance at why men go to prostitutes, come on, it's not hard; They are horney and they can't score.

 

 

But of course that notion is so alien to you that you would never have though of it.

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[Pidesco]

What did Walsingham say in the third paragraph?

[taks]

All you people who feign ignorance at why men go to prostitutes, come on, it's not hard; They are horney and they can't score.

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that's not entirely true. many men that frequent prostitutes do so for a variety of reasons... off the top of my head 1) don't want the hassle of hunting for a reasonable "score" in bars/usual places to pick up women 2) coupled with 1, would also rather get "quality" women (high-end pros, for rich folks) 3) don't want the wife to find out about infidelity (the dumbest thing a guy can do when cheating is to take a girlfriend... she'll tell eventually) 4) out of town and need a quick fix (military comes to mind heavily here)... i'm sure there are others.

 

taks

[Hurlshort]

Well, prostitution is legal in Nevada, which is a state over. I recommend you all watch the series "Cathouse" for further research. You know, in the name of science and all.

[astr0creep]

All you people who feign ignorance at why men go to prostitutes, come on, it's not hard; They are horney and they can't score.

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that's not entirely true. many men that frequent prostitutes do so for a variety of reasons... off the top of my head 1) don't want the hassle of hunting for a reasonable "score" in bars/usual places to pick up women 2) coupled with 1, would also rather get "quality" women (high-end pros, for rich folks) 3) don't want the wife to find out about infidelity (the dumbest thing a guy can do when cheating is to take a girlfriend... she'll tell eventually) 4) out of town and need a quick fix (military comes to mind heavily here)... i'm sure there are others.

 

taks

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All this can be bypassed with either hand or both, some lubricant and kleenex.

[taks]

As for prostitution, I'm not one usually one to advocate the prohibition of vices, but prostitution in some ways is like child pornography: It's perverse, but moreover, the people involved are exploited.

this is sort of what i was getting at when i said "not everyone against prostitution is that way because of religion."

 

in general, it is very hard to say that prostitution is more good than bad for society. the negatives (as noted by pops) far outweigh any benefits. many people simply feel that this is justification for criminalizing it.

 

personally, i think it is a negative, though i cannot drop my "stay out of my life uncle sam" attitude. the latter freedom, IMO, far outweighs the negatives of prostitution. if it is legalized, ever, it should be heavily regulated ala las vegas cathouses. remove some of the negatives (i.e. pimps, exploitation, etc.) and it isn't as bad overall.

 

taks

[Walsingham]

I should say that culture makes a massive difference. Attitudes in Thailand among younger women illustrate this very well (although there is massive sex slavery in that country so don't go using it as an excuse).

 

I don't think it's exactly crazy to use a prostitute. In concept I don't see how it's much worse than being, say, a paid drugs guinea pig. Or a customer services monkey.

[Rosbjerg]

I don't think it's exactly crazy to use a prostitute. In concept I don't see how it's much worse than being, say, a paid drugs guinea pig. Or a customer services monkey.

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HEY!!

[Calax]

Well, prostitution is legal in Nevada, which is a state over.  I recommend you all watch the series "Cathouse" for further research.  You know, in the name of science and all.

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And you realize how much money the state makes off of the taxes the profession brings in? Imagine if it were legal in say... California. Cali's Economy would probably go through the roof Edited December 19, 2006 by Fionavar

[Fionavar]

Could we please remember that this is a fora that reflects all ages - so let's make an effort to post with respect in mind that this is not an adult forum.

[213374U]

a market exists, and someone will always step up to fill it.

You win.

 

 

Heh, that's such a guy thing to say.  Seriously, there might be a few well-balanced prostitutes out there, but the vast majority have major mental health issues.  I've spent many years listening to Howard Stern, and the majority of Porn Stars and Strippers that he interviews had some messed up incident in their childhood.  Girls with good parents don't grow up to be prostitutes.

Heh, that's such a stereotype. Now, if you could please offer some evidence to back your claims about the "majority" of prostitutes, maybe you wouldn't sound so hollow. Face it pal, women like sex as much as you and me do, if not more. Sucks that it's them who get to choose in the end, huh?

 

Granted, many of them are exploited and abused by organized crime, and some are forced into it in order to feed their children or whatever. But there are some that choose it willingly too. What, are they all messed up in the head? That kind of condescending crap always makes me smirk. And, even if they all have endured those supposed traumatic childhood experiences, what does it have to do with it? Are you (and I don't mean you specifically) implying that their judgement is impaired in some way? Maybe they are clinically unfit to lead the life they choose? Because, as a matter of fact, I'm inclined to believe the opposite. What with all that "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" stuff. Maybe those "scarred" girls just aren't as skittish and puritanical as the rest of society. Maybe living a harder life changes the way one sees many things. I'm not sure, because I haven't asked every last of them if they want out.

 

I'm all for legal and regulated prostitution. 'Cause life just ain't no fun without booze and hookers.