Better KotOR character?

[DarthVala]

I agree, but I think Revan takes the cake. They're both very good characters, though.

[Alec]

Revan is great, but I prefer the Exile.

[dassaur]

I much prefer the exile because of the fact that you choose what he/she is like. Revan comes with a history and as many said, you start out playing as your character, then turn into revan. I still think that the exile is more powerful because she has turned away from the force; she can live without it. She was the basis of Darth Nihilus' power and that of the Sith Assassins. THAT is power. Her ability to thrive off others. This could also be her downfall though.

 

Revan and the exile are also complete opposites, as Kreia says.

Revan = heart of the force

Exile = death of the force

[Darth Blivion]

As a character I thought the Exile was better conceived. In Kotor 1 there's little you know of Revan except that he was a Jedi hero turned Sith Lord, as if that isn't over played in SW. The Exile's reaction after Malachor, points to something no one has brought up, unlike Revan he refused to follow the force, turning from the force at Malachor was (in SW) the ultimate show of defiance.

 

The alternative would have been falling to the dark side like Malak and Revan, but he didn't. This for me identifies the Exile as a character with a stronger will than Revan. Also, the concept of the Exile character is that his motivations are more dependent on the players choices than were Revan's.

 

Revan, as someone said is your basic Superman template i.e. create a character that's supposedly superior to everyone else, then let the gamers play around with a few choices, but in all this Revan's character is shallow, or if not shallow, vague.

 

The Exile concept is built around decisions that are designed to illustrate the Exile's character. How you react to Atris, Zez Kai Ell and the other masters; how you manipulate and influence your party members; are all situations engineered to give you the player, a chance to shape the Exile's character. There's no plot twist here to change everything. So, from that percpective the Exile is a slightly better character.

[Darth Blivion]

Also, (I forgot to add this) the Exile is described by the Masters as unpredictable, besides being defant. This for me was just a little story element fittted in to make room for a player defined Exile. The Exile unlike Revan has no set agenda, he can be many things at once. Even Kreia mentions that you're not trully jedi/sith. The lack of a set Exile, is something that some people might dislike.

[vaxen83]

Revan - History

 

Exile - Continuity

 

That's what I can think of.

[Alec]

I many ways they are different and the same... they are equally good in all aspects... they are true heroes

[Darth_Nihlus]

revan is great and powerful. the exile is FASCINATING. a wound in the force. an anomoly. the jedi want to cut him off from the force in order to stop him. the exile is not a jedi. he is far greater, a new breed of force users. Revan too turned from jedi and used the sith for his own agenda. i think that the exile should find revan and they team up. none could stand against the heart of the force and the death of the force. exile also has nihilus's power to drain force sensitives. Exiles unique force using combined with revans sheer power create something far more powerful than the jedi or the sith.

 

i vote for exile

 

btw

those who say exile is better cuz he can be lvl 50 and have awesome force pwers are a bunch of nuts. seriously! gameplay?? pathetic!

 

ps

i think force scream is a great power b/c the exile releases the screams of the fallen and dead jedi into the force little by little and it can nearly destroy his enemies

[rakasha]

Depends on what you mean as a better character ?

 

If you mean I know what this character's history and personal background is then Reavn was a better character. One knew his past from the Jedi Academy onwards. The description of his past was brief, then again the game was short, but "complete". Again the game was short so there wasn't much history to add while you were playing Revan.

 

With regards to the exile the plot was interesting, but at the end there were big gaps on the character's history. When the game ended one knew a few interesting facts about the exile, not his history, therefore there couldn't be a case of identifying with the character. You need to know what to identify with. Again the game was short so there was little history to make while playing the exile.

 

If one thinks of better as more powerful (why ?)

 

Revan reached Level 20 on d20 modern. In other words he was on the threshold of becoming an epic character. Think of it as being one in a few millions.

 

The Exile was going through prestige classes (which was good) and had if I remeber correctly an extra 10 levels at least. So if you want to compare them add 10 levels of prestige class to revan.

 

But why does it matter, are they going to fight each other or what ?

 

To elaborate on thinking of prestige classes as good, it is nice to be able to complete the powers you are interested in and add all the feats you think are important to your character. It is a lot better to complete the character in this way and have difficult enemies, than having an incoomplete character and easier enemies as in K1.

 

Both characters were pretty flat, they couldn't use humor, sarcasm, or anything like that. The basic way of putting these things into a game is by giving a wider range of responses for the player, and a wider range of retorts for the NPCs. You could go further and add a humorous or whatever trait to the characters. Both characters were a bit monotonous and flat as far as interaction with other NPCs was concerned. it would be interesting to be able to build a personality around your character in this way. Such as biasing the range of available answers towards humor, and of course being able to change this bias as the story progresses. A good example of a range of possible answers was Planescape Torment.

 

Another thing about revan was that he had a future along with a past. He subjugated the republic (actually I switched to the light side on K1) only as meand to find a greater war. This makes the character look a bit better then your run of the mill shallow self-absorbed megalomaniac Sith. Therefore Revan not only had a past he also had an interesting and epic future. (granted you didn't know of this future in Kotor 1)

 

Actually this was a great hook for KOTOR 3 and it would be a pity to waste it.

 

The exile on the other hand was simply following Freya.

 

Rakasha

[Darth Blivion]

He subjugated the republic (actually I switched to the light side on K1) only as meand to find a greater war. This makes the character look a bit better then your run of the mill shallow self-absorbed megalomaniac Sith. Therefore Revan not only had a past he also had an interesting and epic future. (granted you didn't know of this future in Kotor 1)

 

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To be fair one has to thank K2 for these little piece of fictional history, without it Revan is a shadow of the character the Exile is potrayed as in K2. And before I go into anything else, Revan did turn out to be your run of he mill megalomaniac Sith Lord anyway. Who "busts up" a foundation, in order to make it stronger? He instigated a war to save the republic? It only ended up weakening it further. Or could we say it's just Kreia's wishful thinking? That she could never have imagined that one of her students had become just-like-every-other Sith?

 

Now, as for the Exile not having a history, that is for you to affect in part. His motivations for joining the Mando. wars - it's up to you. His motivations for saving the galaxy or destroying the Jedi, are again up to the player to decide. What he was before K2 is only hinted at by Vrook (a poor source however you look at it), Atris (the PC responses are antagonistic to her descriptions), Bao Dur (one of the best sources), HK-47, Disciple, Kavar, Kreia (at least she mentions Dxun and hints at the Exile's future), Vander (dantooine droid) and Ludo Kressh's (sp*) tomb.

 

Any of those little unfilled pockets of fictional history allow for interesting possibilities, with Revan we know everything there is to know, there's no mystery left and where there's no mystery there is little interest.

[Darth Blivion]

Actually come to think of it, the Exile is mentioned as affecting specific events in the Mando wars; Malachor 5 (obviously), Dxun, Serroco, Eris 5 or at least he's mentioned along side some of these battles; Revan interestingly enough is not, except indirectly, like for instance he is mentioned as sending those Jedi and Republic officials who were not loyal to him to fight at Malachor.

 

And a datapad on Dxun mentions Revan's expected arrival or at least he's expected to send re-enforcements. Otherwise his importance and placing in this largely undefined fictional war are a lot more vague in comparison to what we have of the Exile.

[Xard]

Exile was nothing but of the thousands of jedis who served on Dxun etc. Revan is the top dog of Mandalorian Wars

[maatshalz]

I agree and REVAN HAS A FREAKIN STAR FORGE! hmm how'bout 10 ships for every one jedi? hmm

[Jinny]

Revan was a military leader, someone who was master tacticatian who could be on par with Eisenhower or MacArthur. He planned carefully to choose what will keep the the Galaxy's power upheld and the Galaxy running until the "true Sith" had arrived to fight the War. He tried to preserve as many lives as possible, unlike Malak who seemingly destroyed everything in sight just to get his way and make sure the Galaxy crumbles. Revan, to me, had a much more interesting plotline, most of you say a Jedi turned to Sith Lord but you must realize that Jedi was a Padawan when he went to fight the Madalorians and came back a Sith Lord. That changes things, plus he was very persuasive to keep all those who fought to protect the Republic to turn against it and fight with him, which is remarkable feat since most could be seen as very loyal soldiers and Jedi. He was the light of the force and he never really turned to the darkside, he was on the light just to defeat a unknown foe. To top it all off, he made the story for it is now, he went to the Unknown regions alone to fight the "true Sith", alone. That is something most cannot do.

 

The Exile, was someone who was just another General, just someone who fought in the Wars because they were pusuaded by Malak or Revan to go. Just because she turned her back on the Jedi/Sith Civil War, doesn't make her stronger, it just shows that she was done with War or couldn't face another fight. A wound in the Force, just the opposite of Revan who was a manifestation of the Living Force, thus the two make a null, the continuation of the Force as it was. Like many had stated, and I will state again, she was just another General, and a horrible one at that. The activation of the Mass Shadow Generator was a horrible act, and a tactical military failure, if you read the books. Sacrificing millions of lives to defeat a enemy which could be easily defeated doesn't mean you destroy your foreces to fight a foe who could be defeated easier if you just tried to think about the situation.

 

By gameplay, K2 loses to K1 by a mile, the game was far to short(k2) and far too easy, I was able to defeat it in 3/4s the time it took me to beat the first, and I tried to complete all the tasks given, just like I did in K1. Leveling up was quicker than the first which provided less of a challenge than I hoped and alignment was too easy to switch, you could go from dark to light on the same planet. Then the thing that ticked me off is that you go around gathering all these Jedi Masters just to hear them say: "You cut yourself off from the Force and now you have to die" before they're killed themselves, and then you fight two Sith Lords who you know little to nothing about before fighting Kreia who you expect is going to be harder but instead is just as weak. Then you listen to her talk about what is going to happen to the rest of the crew, most of which are going to reform the Jedi Order. Pretty much the only good thing in the game was that could train the other party members as Jedi, who would help you out better in the game.

 

Anyway,

Revan: 9/10

The Exile: 7/10

K1: 10/10

K2: 8.5/10

[Terranova]

The Exile, was someone who was just another General, just someone who fought in the Wars because they were pusuaded by Malak or Revan to go. Just because she turned her back on the Jedi/Sith Civil War, doesn't make her stronger, it just shows that she was done with War or couldn't face another fight. A wound in the Force, just the opposite of Revan who was a manifestation of the Living Force, thus the two make a null, the continuation of the Force as it was. Like many had stated, and I will state again, she was just another General, and a horrible one at that. The activation of the Mass Shadow Generator was a horrible act, and a tactical military failure, if you read the books. Sacrificing millions of lives to defeat a enemy which could be easily defeated doesn't mean you destroy your foreces to fight a foe who could be defeated easier if you just tried to think about the situation.

 

What are you talking about? Revan commanded the Exile to use the Mass Shadow Generator not only ending the war, but killing the most loyal of Republic soldiers who would have never defected to Revan's cause in the first place.

 

For the most part... other than the Exile's order to activate the MSG we don't know much of his/her role in the war, or what (s)he did. Not only that, but the Exile unlike Revan most likely fought on front lines (I base this on the visons of the Exile's past and conversations during the game). So in a sense we don't know if the Exile played any major tactical role besides commanding a unit. Like many Jedi Generals all the Exile might have done is simply led his/her army into battle.

Edited July 22, 2006 by Terranova

[Jinny]

Well how would you know that Revan didn't fight in the Frontlines? It seemed like Revan did fight because in K2 some do mention Revan fighting the Mandolorians and how he fought them. Plus a General doesn't just "command a unit" they must be able to know what to do in a situation, but still the Mass Shadow Generator option was still a pointless decision in which Revan could try to convert the soldiers, you don't know if they would defected or not because in the end wouldn't they all still be in the light since Revan "never really turned to the darkside? Anyway the Exile had to play a major role in combat, doesn't matter, they provide some role. If looked in the Clone Wars, the Jedi were up in the frontlines, including the wars against Darth Bane, most likely the Jedi at the time would be in the frontlines, that includes Revan.

[Terranova]

We don't really. I base that statement on the fact that Revan is known for being the "tactician". It was always Malak that people refer to as being the one to rush head first into combat. Revan was the mastermind behind the war.

 

Also I might not have been clear enough, but what I meant by the Exile not playing a major tactical role in the Mandalorian Wars was the fact the the Exile wasn't back there coming up with the next big strategy. Meaning that the Exile probably never came up with the ideas, (s)he just led a large unit through several of the war's campaigns. Like the Clone Wars many Jedi led units (Such as Obi-Wan's 3rd Army) that they commanded through various campaigns. Even Anakin commanded a unit himself, it doesn't mean however that they were the ones creating strategies that would win the war.

 

On why Revan would have used the MSG. The Republic fleet he had placed at Malachor V consisted of Jedi and Republic personnal that held questionable loyalties to him. After all his intentions were not to return to the Republic after the war. Not only that but he used that fleet as bait to lure the remaining Mandalorians there. The MSG was activated and the war was won.

 

Thats probably not the first time Revan used similar strategies as well. Revan was the kind of commander who would have been willing to sacrifice innocent civilians in order to achieve a swift victory.

[Benjamin Korr]

Personally, I felt alot more like myself in Revan's shoes then I ever did in the Exiles. Although honestly I felt too much like my history was predecided with both, which was kinda cool with Revan, but was old with the Exile. I hope Kotor 3 gives you the chance to write your own history.

 

But yeah, I give my vote to Revan, I enjoyed his character alot better. And just cause you got bigger powers with the Exile, thats only because he was made in Kotor 2 when the decided that they should spice up your powers a bit, had the Exile been in Kotor 1 and Revan in Kotor 2, the powers would be reversed.

[Jinny]

We don't really. I base that statement on the fact that Revan is known for being the "tactician". It was always Malak that people refer to as being the one to rush head first into combat. Revan was the mastermind behind the war.

 

Also I might not have been clear enough, but what I meant by the Exile not playing a major tactical role in the Mandalorian Wars was the fact the the Exile wasn't back there coming up with the next big strategy. Meaning that the Exile probably never came up with the ideas, (s)he just led a large unit through several of the war's campaigns. Like the Clone Wars many Jedi led units (Such as Obi-Wan's 3rd Army) that they commanded through various campaigns. Even Anakin commanded a unit himself, it doesn't mean however that they were the ones creating strategies that would win the war.

 

On why Revan would have used the MSG. The Republic fleet he had placed at Malachor V consisted of Jedi and Republic personnal that held questionable loyalties to him. After all his intentions were not to return to the Republic after the war. Not only that but he used that fleet as bait to lure the remaining Mandalorians there. The MSG was activated and the war was won.

 

Thats probably not the first time Revan used similar strategies as well. Revan was the kind of commander who would have been willing to sacrifice innocent civilians in order to achieve a swift victory.

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Revan was not the commander that sacrificed lives to come to a swift victory because if he was he would bombard every planet from the Outer-Rim to the Core. Revan new which planets to conquer and which to bypass to the galaxy with the industrial base to survive the true Sith.

 

Also Revan didn't authorize the use of the Mass Shadow Generator because in one coversation with Bao-Dur, he talks to you about that the MSG was used out of reluctance since Revan had been held up on the Rim of the System engaging a Mandolorian scout group. The Exile decided with the only option left, while Bao-Dur wanted to use it for Revenge. I doubt if Revan was there he would authorized use of it anyway.

[Terranova]

From Bao-Dur's perspective, yes it may have been an act of desperation. But it was all cleverly masterminded by Revan.

 

Check the chronicles on TSL's official site (Under the game info tab). Part IX.

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sit...indexLight.html

 

On another note, Revan was the type of general who saw certain people and things "expendable". The chronicles state that Revan was falling to the Dark Side way before Malachor V. It's also noted that Revan began to mirror the Mandalorians in their tactics. Something Canderous says during the game.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2006 by Terranova

[Darth Blivion]

From Bao-Dur's perspective, yes it may have been an act of desperation. But it was all cleverly masterminded by Revan.

 

Check the chronicles on TSL's official site (Under the game info tab). Part IX.

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sit...indexLight.html

 

On another note, Revan was the type of general who saw certain people and things "expendable". The chronicles state that Revan was falling to the Dark Side way before Malachor V. It's also noted that Revan began to mirror the Mandalorians in their tactics. Something Canderous says during the game.

 

 

[Terranova]

Don't forget one of the Exiles comrades at Onderon's cantina speaks of Dagory Minor. That's another confirmed battle.

 

But you make a good point. Both Revan and the Exile's participation the war is vague at best. Perhaps it is best left for other EU stories to explain. Hell we don't even know what Carth did in the Mandalorian Wars.

Edited July 25, 2006 by Terranova

[vaxen83]

Thing about playing as Exile is being able to use finesse for both melee and light saber weapons. As Revan, dexterity was restricted to Reflex saves, defence and skill with ranged attacks.

[DAWUSS]

Exile was better but Revan was more important

[Alec]

Well, I think that without the Exile the Republic would be ruined