Dark_Raven Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 The best way they should have done it is make the mods annonymous to the community and Bioware judges so they could have been judged without the merit and biases of the modders' names. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Give the man a donut for that idea. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surreptishus Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Give it to hurlshot... he suggested it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Whom ever, have a chocolate covered donut. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 The suggestion was proposed way back when the contest was just revealed, but was - of course - ignored. After all, how could a no-name unknown compete against already popular modders? It's just a crappy argument about "LOL you know, if they were good, they'd get votes anyway". It doesn't roll that way. How many people do you think played through all 300+ mods? I tried to, but there was so much crap out there I gave up. How much more convenient is it to go "HEY THAT'S ADAM MILLER'S MOD, HE'S IN THE HALL OF FAME, I'LL PLAY HIS MOD"? Voting only works if the voters actually educate themselves on all parties. Due to the sheer scope of the 300+ mods, as well as the lack of anonymity, the contest pretty much set itself up for unfairness and partiality. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 So, it was a worthless contest. Not surprisingly coming from the NWN 1 community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 Not necessarily. Even as a popularity contest, it brought out 'popular' modders/writers, which is - in essence - what Bioware wants. They're pretty mainstream, after all; they can use the 'popular' style of writing. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyric Suite Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 (edited) The problem it's all opinion. There is no factual to determine what is the 'best' mod. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes there is. For instance, what about if i said Torment was heaps ahead then NWN OC? See? It's easy... Edited April 14, 2006 by Lyric Suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarkon Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 The whole process is bogged down by the logistics of playing 300+ mods. According to what I read, the panel of judges, and in particular Kevin Bartlett, only played the top ~25 mods as voted by the community. This essentially means that both categories of the contest were "popularity" contests, to a large degree, and we'll never know whether some truly excellent mods were missed. But how is this different from real life job recruiting, where connections can land you a job over dozens of more qualified people whose resumes sit in the corner of an assitant's office gathering spider webs? The meritocratic ideal is never followed to the letter, and that's just the way the world works. I surmise that Bioware indeed never expected to receive so many contestant mods, and so set aside only a relatively short amount of time to reviewing them. Hence the necessity of basing perusal on community votes. There are doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 That's sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Yeah... There are alot of modules on the vault that I would consider ....hmmm.... lets just say not very good, with 9+ scores. Community votes are almost useless when trying to find a decent mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 I mostly agree with Fighter, some of my favorite mods are not ranked very high, but several are, so the entire system is not flawed... DN "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 I'm not really a big fan of any of the Hall of Fame mods myself <_< (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 So, it was a worthless contest. Not surprisingly coming from the NWN 1 community. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It appears you have a negative mood today concerning Bioware. <_< Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Today? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Every hour of the day? Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVala Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Wouldn't that be every hour of the day? "Great intelligence usually goes hand in hand with great stupdity." Join The Sibilati! -Sibilati retrorsum sibilamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Of course. Things happen when you are holding a convo in three other forums. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVala Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Oh, sure. Excuses, excuses, excuses. "Great intelligence usually goes hand in hand with great stupdity." Join The Sibilati! -Sibilati retrorsum sibilamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Adam Miller deserves to win, as he's probably the most popular mod maker in the NWN community. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Popularity means zip. It should go to the person who makes the best mod. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you live in the real world? Popularity is a huge part of any contest. You are wrong because "who makes the best mod" is subject to opinion. I would much rather be the most popular mod maker than the best modmaker...but the two tend to go hand in hand. Now the contest is only judging one small mod from each person, but you can bet that already being well known in the community will make it easier to get a higher opinion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is exactly the problem. I suspect the concern is that he got votes based on his previous work, rather than the mod submitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Am I particularly negative about Bioware? Nah, I still buy their games. If I was trully negative I would be treating them like UbiSoft and EA. I really hate them. Not going to buy any game they have a hand in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 (edited) If I was trully negative I would be treating them like UbiSoft and EA. I really hate them. Not going to buy any game they have a hand in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't have to repeat things you hate in every thread. Just put it in your sig. Saves you a lot of time typing. Edited April 15, 2006 by Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaave Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 If I was trully negative I would be treating them like UbiSoft and EA. I really hate them. Not going to buy any game they have a hand in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't have to repeat things you hate in every thread. Just put it in your sig. Saves you a lot of time typing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm pretty sure he'd go over the size allowances for sigs in the forum by quite a bit though. :D Just because you're a bit thinner than your even fatter mum it doesn't mean you're in excellent physical shape, if you could fit through the door and view the normal people you'd notice that cheeseburger boy. Squid suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 It'd be an autobiography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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