Lyric Suite Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 You mean a substance non-fluff interview like this? http://www.nwn2news.net/modules/smartsecti...m.php?itemid=29 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, i mean an highly opinionated, very antagonistic interview, like the codex one. Some of the answers they indirectly got out of MCA were very interesting...
Lyric Suite Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 BTW, i'm perplexed about all the hate towards the codex displayed here. Aside for the lack of profanity and the more controlled nature of this forum, this place isn't really all that different.
alanschu Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 BTW, i'm perplexed about all the hate towards the codex displayed here. Aside for the lack of profanity and the more controlled nature of this forum, this place isn't really all that different. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For the record, my comments were based purely on a first impression based on what I was reading. I don't frequent the Codex. Though their reputation does precede them, which may have influenced me. I loved his argument for PST being one of the greatest games of all time. Reputation seems pretty justified to me
Volourn Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 The Codex are full of jerks... which is why I love 'em. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Gromnir Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 BTW, i'm perplexed about all the hate towards the codex displayed here. Aside for the lack of profanity and the more controlled nature of this forum, this place isn't really all that different. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the lack o' profanity and greater control in this place not seem to be a notable difference to you? however we thinks you did fail to note that the codex posters tends to be a bit more homgenized than the posters at obsidian. folks like vol and taks, while being occasional posters at codex, is clearly outsiders who is threatening the accepted groupthink. bad vol. bad taks. in any event, codex presents self as a news site... and if you suggest they got some kinda bias they go nutters. this ain' a news site. the folks who run this site don't pretend like they is presenting the unvarnished truth to the nerdling masses. is no institutional arrogance whereby the admin makes clear that they is having a monopoly on the truth... save for maybe when josh is posting. is posters on this board acting like they alone recognize the Word of God? yup, but those posters ain't pretending to be anything other than simply message board geeklings. folks who run codex is hypocrites... but amusing hypocrites. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Antagonist Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) Well, I feel like I have to stand up for the Codex here a little bit although they sure don't need my defence and probably don't care about people's opinion here. But reducing it to the regular trash talk and occasional hyperbolic discussions especially when it comes to favourite topics like Fallout, Troika and Oblivion doesn't do it justice, it's still a necessary counterweight to the mainstream journalism. Maybe my views are affected from lurking on the Codex for a long time but I like them because many of them don't settle for the watered down action RPGs which are released today and they attack the people who defend these titles because "we should be happy that any RPGs are released at all". Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe. Plus, there's more to the Codex than whining. Look at Serge/Vault Dweller for example. Instead of complaining endlessly about the (rather sad) state of the industry he sat down, formed a development team and is making an RPG himself. I'm pretty curious about the outcome too as armchair analyzing is often easier than trying to right things by yourself. But before someone points it out: Yes, I know that it is rather an exception to the rule but still. I also disagree with Gromnir that Volourn doesn't fit in the Codex. While Volourn's and the regular Codexer's (whatever that is) views may vary they both have the same tendency to frenzy when it comes to defending their pet topics (that is Bioware and Troika). Regarding the interview I agree that some of the questions were a little bit disappointing because we've read them time and again in other MCA interviews (bet he copy and pasted parts of it). I wish Serge would have concentrated on debating essential RPG designs from an abstract point of view instead of losing himself in discussing past games. Oh well, maybe next time. Edited March 9, 2006 by Antagonist
Nartwak Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Counterweight? I hope they don't overstrain themselves.
Ellester Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I also disagree with Gromnir that Volourn doesn't fit in the Codex. While Volourn's and the regular Codexer's (whatever that is) views may vary they both have the same tendency to frenzy when it comes to defending their pet topics (that is Bioware and Troika). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed Volourn has been and will always be a regular at the Codex, I couldn Life is like a clam. Years of filtering crap then some bastard cracks you open and scrapes you into its damned mouth, end of story. - Steven Erikson
Vaultman Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Serge wasn't even willing to accept MCA's criticisms for it, even though he made the damn thing. What exactly are you talking about? I wish Serge would have concentrated on debating essential RPG designs from an abstract point of view instead of losing himself in discussing past games. The problem with discussing abstract stuff is that it doesn't always give you an accurate picture of a developer. Discussing features in general, and discussing implemented features that have good sides / bad sides are two different things. The influence system is a good example of that. This interview was about Chris' development as an artist. I compared his earlier work to his later work, discussing the difference. That should tell you what to expect and why.
Kaftan Barlast Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I like them Codex boys, we share the same view on many things. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Nartwak Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 My powers of deduction are tingling. Must... stupor...
Shadowstrider Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I like them Codex boys, we share the same view on many things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view."
kirottu Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Doesn This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
mkreku Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I love how the Codex boys look at themselves as "the rebels of game journalism" or something.. Laughable at best, pathetic at worst. I think Avellone is very funny, but that must be one of the least giving interviews I've ever read. It was more "If you don't agree with me, you didn't understand the question" attitude from the interviewer than anything else. Planescape: Torment is history, get on with your lives, boys! ) Swedes, go to: Spel2, for the latest game reviews in swedish!
Meshugger Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Planescape: Torment is history, get on with your lives, boys! ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> NO! PS:T is the holy bible. And Codex are the preaching evangelians. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Gromnir Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 "Yes, I know that it is rather an exception to the rule but still." "but still" what? how many years did we have to listen to vis telling us he would make a REAL nwn module? this kinda thing by vd ain't an exception. sees something like this at almost every board. some joker, or group of jokers, claims they is gonna Do It Right. sometimes they even slap something together... but such masterpieces rarely meets light of day. "While Volourn's and the regular Codexer's (whatever that is) views may vary they both have the same tendency to frenzy when it comes to defending their pet topics (that is Bioware and Troika). " then how can you disagree with Gromnir? its vol v. codexers. sure, he is a regular and sure he spits and fumes likes the most rabid codexer, but he is not one of the codexers. as we recall, the admin hung some sorta "retarded" label on his account... not sure if it is still there. so where is it you disagree with Gromnir? "Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe." yeah, they stand up and fight each other all day long. ... clowns. am not sure how anybody coud come away from codex w/o chuckling. is maybe lowbrow humor, but is funny even so. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
taks Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 codexians somehow sees self as the Moral Majority meets the PLO... they believes that they stand for all that is good and right in games (whether the rest of us simpletons get it or not,) and they is gonna use whatever profane, obscene or insane means necessary to be fighting the good fight. the thing is, they honestly does selves a disservice by being so insular/inbred. Fight the Dominant Paradigm kinda stuff is somewhat pointless if you only does your fighting on your own friggn' boards. clowns. unfortunately, from the viewpoint of the humor offered by such an attitude, they are changing rapidly over there. more and more bethesda fans are signing up and the old, hostile, regulars are really getting pushed out. heck, there's even a thread asking where st. proverbius has been (he's actually a lesser-hostile, compared to folks like VD). if we thought fergie were cunning 'nuff to come up with such a notion on his own, we mighta' come to conclusion that he created codex as an attractive alternative board for all the fallout fanatics/loons that he really didn't want stinking up the interplay boards. but keeps in mind that we too thinks that the codex is a hoot, and if they didn't exist we would have to create 'em. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> that's funny. and i agree. i always figured you had some reason for posting over there, btw. their attitude certainly does not fit with the educated sort, unless you get the humor, irony and pure hypocrisy of everything they say. taks comrade taks... just because.
taks Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 The internet is for:A) Porn. B) Angry kiddy whinge. Any other uses are completely accidental. Guess which one the Codex fulfills? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> both actually... there are a few threads in the general discussion area that prove A. taks comrade taks... just because.
Shadowstrider Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 clowns. am not sure how anybody coud come away from codex w/o chuckling. is maybe lowbrow humor, but is funny even so. HA! Good Fun! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Laughing at them, yes.
taks Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Well, I feel like I have to stand up for the Codex here a little bit although they sure don't need my defence and probably don't care about people's opinion here. But reducing it to the regular trash talk and occasional hyperbolic discussions especially when it comes to favourite topics like Fallout, Troika and Oblivion doesn't do it justice, it's still a necessary counterweight to the mainstream journalism. Maybe my views are affected from lurking on the Codex for a long time but I like them because many of them don't settle for the watered down action RPGs which are released today and they attack the people who defend these titles because "we should be happy that any RPGs are released at all". Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe. nobody said it was a bad thing... just pointed out that it is what it is. they are a news sight, but the hard-core codexers are EXTREMELY biased, and it shows in nearly every post they make. like i said, however, with the influx of bethesda lovers, it is changing a bit. i agree, however, that slapping a label on them saying "they believe this" or "they believe that" is unfair, as there is diversity, a little bit, in many of the codexer. vol and i do draw a lot of heat for our views on troika... I also disagree with Gromnir that Volourn doesn't fit in the Codex. While Volourn's and the regular Codexer's (whatever that is) views may vary they both have the same tendency to frenzy when it comes to defending their pet topics (that is Bioware and Troika). he's the red-headed step-child over there. it's sort of like animal house... everyone has to have their bluto, well, the codex needs it's volourn. taks comrade taks... just because.
Diogo Ribeiro Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I like them Codex boys, we share the same view on many things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is only a more direct way of saying something that's often expressed here as well. Only difference is that here people try to mellow it somewhat so they won't get moderated.
Meshugger Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 I like them Codex boys, we share the same view on many things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is only a more direct way of saying something that's often expressed here as well. Only difference is that here people try to mellow it somewhat so they won't get moderated. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Throwing flames and telling "f*ck you" isn't something that i want when debating at a forum IMO. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Diogo Ribeiro Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 Throwing flames and telling "f*ck you" isn't something that i want when debating at a forum IMO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But being told by someone that your points of view could also be considered as stupid or completely lacking in taste in a subtler way is? You're focusing on their use of profanity while missing the point of the post.
taks Posted March 9, 2006 Posted March 9, 2006 But being told by someone that your points of view could also be considered as stupid or completely lacking in taste in a subtler way is? You're focusing on their use of profanity while missing the point of the post. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> touche! good catch! taks comrade taks... just because.
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