Epiphany had most of his facts right. Sure he liked to troll, and some of the things he said were completely fallacious, but most of the things he said were either true or held some shred of truth.

BTW, maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I have a feeling Epiphany was a plant from Microsoft.  "

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I wouldn't be surprised. He pumped up the X360 till release and then disappeared.

True, it is German. Perhaps I should have just said "command of language."

 

It did seem appropriate

 

 

And yes, I think Epiphany was a plant as well. I've seen it before, especially during elections.

Epiphany didn't disappear. I placed him on permanent moderated status for trolling, and then he left because the man (me) was holding him down.

 

I do not think he was a plant.

Epiphany was a troll? I just thought he was a passionate defender of his console of chocie? Hmm...

Epiphany didn't disappear.  I placed him on permanent moderated status for trolling, and then he left because the man (me) was holding him down.

 

I do not think he was a plant.

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Maybe a tree? Does it count as a plant?

 

Sorry :">

Epiphany didn't disappear.  I placed him on permanent moderated status for trolling, and then he left because the man (me) was holding him down.

 

I do not think he was a plant.

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Someone buy this man a drink!

I'm sticking with 360 on this.  The 360 is much more developer friendly.

Does this mean you've worked with both Sony's and Microsoft's devkits?

Nope.

 

You simply like it because it had more PC-Style RPGs, I think most people would agree that the SNES was the king of the 16bit generation.

 

Nope.

 

I simply liked the Genesis better because I thought it had overall better games (Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Target Earth, Hellfire, Strider,Revenge of Shinobi, Sonic the Hedgehog, Dune, Herzog Zwei, Evander Holyfield Boxing, the better MK ports, the better sports games...etc) ..And out of those better games the fact that the Genny had quality PC-style RPGs was another plus in favor of it.

 

 

As for most people agreeing that SNES was the "king" of the 16bit generation, that is actually very debatable:

 

http://www.gamingw.net/articles/91

 

One thing is for sure, SEGA knocked off Nintendo from having the majority market share (perhaps forever) and paved the way for Sony's dominance.

 

Not to mention that Herzog Zwei, was the "forefather" to all those PC RTS games PC gamers take for granted. SEGA effectively launched an entirely new genre all by itself. Its contributions during the 16bit era were enormous.

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Not to mention that Herzog Zwei, was the "forefather" to all those PC RTS games PC gamers take for granted. SEGA effectively launched an entirely new genre all by itself. Its contributions during the 16bit revolution were enormous.

 

The first RTS ever was Dune 2 by Westwood...

What quality PC-style RPGs?

 

SNES had Ultima 7, how can you beat that?

Not to mention that Herzog Zwei, was the "forefather" to all those PC RTS games PC gamers take for granted. SEGA effectively launched an entirely new genre all by itself. Its contributions during the 16bit revolution were enormous.

 

The first RTS ever was Dune 2 by Westwood...

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No. Dune 2 was the first PC RTS game. Herzog Zwei beat it to the punch by a year or two.

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What quality PC-style RPGs?

 

SNES had Ultima 7, how can you beat that?

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Easily, the "real" Ultima 7.

 

The SNES Ultima 7 port was horrible and only superficially resembled the real thing. Much of the non-linearity and large gameworld that made the PC version famous had been cut out.

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What quality PC-style RPGs?

 

SNES had Ultima 7, how can you beat that?

 

Easily, the "real" Ultima 7.

 

The SNES Ultima 7 port was horrible and only superficially resembled the real thing. All the non-linearity and large gameworld that made the PC version famous had been cut out.

 

Yes, but I still don't know of a PC style RPG on the Genesis that is better than even the crappy Ultima 7 SNES port.

Yes, but I still don't know of a PC style RPG on the Genesis that is better than even the crappy Ultima 7 SNES port.

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Lots....

 

 

Warriors of the Eternal Sun, Shadowrun, Buck Rogers, Pirates!, and even Sword of Vermillion and Super Hydlide are better than the Ultima 7 SNES port.

 

A very good strategy RPG on the Genesis is Warsong. That is one friggin awesome game.

 

EDIT: Probably Rings of Power too.. I have heard good stuff about it but never played it.

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I'm sticking with 360 on this.  The 360 is much more developer friendly.

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I am assuming when we say "better" we mean "the console which has altogether higher valued features". If we just mean a more powerful system, then the PS3 will probably be more powerful, since it is coming out later.

 

but because we mean overall, the 360 sounds to be better because of what SS said in the quote above. Also, how it integrates well into networks and how it has a dedicated online service for the system.

 

anyway, i hope it is better since it is the one i am getting

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I'll give you Warriors of the Eternal Sun, but Shadowrun was also on the SNES and I wouldn't call Pirates! an RPG.

I haven't played the other games you mentioned, so I can't comment on those.

I'll give you Warriors of the Eternal Sun, but Shadowrun was also on the SNES and I wouldn't call Pirates! an RPG.

I haven't played the other games you mentioned, so I can't comment on those.

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Shadowrun was also on the SNES but in "name" only. The two versions were COMPLETEY different like night and day. The SNES version felt like a JRPG.

 

The Genesis version was better BTW and truer to PnP.

 

Pirates! is an RPG and it was marketed as such. It can also be considered a SIM. However, since you take on the role of a pirate, and it has quite a few RPG elements the designation can get a bit blurry.

 

EDIT: It is a shame that console gamers that played JRPGS totally missed out on the PC-style gems on the Genesis. People have always said that SNES RPGS were better than those on the SEGA, but those people were only talking strictly about JRPGs. They didn't factor PC-style RPGs into the equation.

The Genesis *owned* the SNES when it came to PC-style RPGS.

 

 

Anyhow, back on topic....

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but because we mean overall, the 360 sounds to be better because of what SS said in the quote above. Also, how it integrates well into networks and how it has a dedicated online service for the system.

Oh yeah, speaking of that:

 

"Apparently the new online service, titled PlayStation Network, won't just offer matchmaking and ranking lists. You can expect an iTunes-type store that lets you download films and music, and you'll be able to use the console as a Location Free Player. Which means you'll be able to upload stuff from your PS3 onto your PSP, and watch Blu-Ray and DVD movies on your handheld."

 

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62751

 

 

Apparently, Sony might still have a few online surprises up their sleeve.

"Apparently the new online service, titled PlayStation Network, won't just offer matchmaking and ranking lists. You can expect an iTunes-type store that lets you download films and music, and you'll be able to use the console as a Location Free Player. Which means you'll be able to upload stuff from your PS3 onto your PSP, and watch Blu-Ray and DVD movies on your handheld."

 

Apparently, Sony might still have a few online surprises up their sleeve.

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ah, interesting. yeah, if they didn't do that, then they would be really stupid. but xbox live does have more experience... i am just noting... that doesn't mean the playstation network won't be just as good or better, but it does mean something.

Yes, but I still don't know of a PC style RPG on the Genesis that is better than even the crappy Ultima 7 SNES port.

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Lots....

 

 

Warriors of the Eternal Sun, Shadowrun, Buck Rogers, Pirates!, and even Sword of Vermillion and Super Hydlide are better than the Ultima 7 SNES port.

 

A very good strategy RPG on the Genesis is Warsong. That is one friggin awesome game.

 

EDIT: Probably Rings of Power too.. I have heard good stuff about it but never played it.

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Calling Pirates! an RPG now? I suppose. I wouldn't really be able to pigeon hole the game into any genre really....except maybe sandbox.

Pirates! is an odd apple. On the PC it can be labeled a SIM. But since you didn't technically have SIMS on consoles, it would be labeled as an RPG (or what not) on a console.

Then it was the first sim on a console.

 

Just because a genre isn't predominant on a particular platform, doesn't mean it's suddenly in a different genre.

 

How could you "technically" have sims or whatever anyways? IMO a genre defies the platform.

Pirates! is an odd apple. On the PC it can be labeled a SIM. But since you didn't technically have SIMS on consoles, it would be labeled as an RPG (or what not) on a console.

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maybe open-ended action/adventure with heavy RPG elements?

Since we've opened up the semantics can of worms, what are the heavy RPG elements?

 

 

Not saying they're not there, but the term "RPG elements" does get tossed around quite a bit.

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